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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Future Coach
   Posted: 2/11/2019 9:36:02 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
IceCat76 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
How about Tommy Amaker?


He makes 700k and Harvard is a better job than Ohio.


Interesting comment. Would you say that Penn, Princeton and Yale are better jobs than Ohio also?



I would


The Harvard job is not better. Very difficult to recruit. Tough academics and no athletic scholarships.
Gym is like a high school. Seats 2,050. Last week they played Ivy League leader and ancient rival Yale and drew 1,500 on Friday night.
No media coverage in Boston. Fourth most watched team in city behind BC, BU and Northeastern.
Itís a no pressure situation. Will always be second fiddle to the hockey team.


Which market does Ohio University get media coverage in again? Who do you think gets more media eyeballs? The fourth most watched team in Boston, or the only team in Athens, OH?

As for athletic scholarships, how much in tuition do you think the average Harvard basketball player pays? I'll give you a hint: it rhymes with nothing. In fact, Ivy League schools are amongst the most affordable in the country if you can get it; they're so well endowed that students in need basically attend for free.

Let's say you're a mid-major level player and you're getting recruited to Ohio or Harvard. Realistically, you know your odds of playing professionally are slim. And Tommy Amaker sits across from you and says you can play for a team that's won three tournament games in the last few years and then when you graduate you get to choose which investment bank or consulting firm you want to go work for. Oh, and you get a Harvard degree.

And I don't think attendance is that big a deal, honestly. They average 1800 people in a 2200 arena. We average 6,000 in a 13,000 seat arena. Which team feels like they're playing in an empty arena?


Winner, Winner! The athlete and normal student is paying far less than the normal student at OHIO University, in fact the average student at Harvard spends less in 4 years than OHIO cost in one year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Future Coach
   Posted: 2/11/2019 9:39:30 PM 
Have fun



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  Message Not Read  RE: Future Coach
   Posted: 2/12/2019 11:43:06 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


Let's say you're a mid-major level player and you're getting recruited to Ohio or Harvard. Realistically, you know your odds of playing professionally are slim. And Tommy Amaker sits across from you and says you can play for a team that's won three tournament games in the last few years and then when you graduate you get to choose which investment bank or consulting firm you want to go work for. Oh, and you get a Harvard degree.



To that end, here are a few players that Ohio was in the recruiting mix for a few years ago that ended up at an Ivy League School:

Seth Towns from Columbus - reigning Ivy league player of the year.
Devin Cannady from Mishawaka, IN - went to Princeton, 4 year starter.
Noah Bramlage - from Ottawa - went to Princeton.
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   Posted: 2/12/2019 5:51:33 PM 
thad matta, rick majeres,maybe jerry tarkanian. how bout jhon rhodes
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   Posted: 2/12/2019 7:51:58 PM 
Rick Majerus as Ohio's new coach. Now that would be a first.
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   Posted: 2/12/2019 8:14:16 PM 
I mean if you're going after Majerus, you've gotta offer an assistant's slot to Tark.
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   Posted: 2/12/2019 8:54:28 PM 
Any room left on the bench for Larry Hunter?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Future Coach
   Posted: 2/13/2019 11:35:57 AM 
bobcat 2000 wrote:
thad matta, rick majeres,maybe jerry tarkanian. how bout jhon rhodes


Heck, let's just go get Bobby Huggins. He spent time at Ohio, he'll want to coach here instead of WVU, right?
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   Posted: 2/13/2019 11:56:50 AM 
greencat wrote:
OK, my turn and yes he's from the south.

Wes Miller at UNC-Greensboro - age 36.

This is his 3rd really good season in a row. Pony up and get the guy.

Buyout $$ will be involved.


Wes Miller has no shot at coming here. I believe he would be a good fit at Wake Forest. We need a coach with Energy and that has been at the high major level. Someone who knows what sort of athletes we need at Ohio. (Simmons, Campbell, Kaminski, R. Taylor) What about Pat Kelsey!?
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   Posted: 2/13/2019 12:00:22 PM 
WittenburgT wrote:
greencat wrote:
OK, my turn and yes he's from the south.

Wes Miller at UNC-Greensboro - age 36.

This is his 3rd really good season in a row. Pony up and get the guy.

Buyout $$ will be involved.


Wes Miller has no shot at coming here. I believe he would be a good fit at Wake Forest. We need a coach with Energy and that has been at the high major level. Someone who knows what sort of athletes we need at Ohio. (Simmons, Campbell, Kaminski, R. Taylor) What about Pat Kelsey!?


Kelsey turned down the UMass job that paid much better.

How would you sell him on the Ohio job being a better place for him to be than UMass or Winthrop?
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   Posted: 2/13/2019 12:22:22 PM 
Option #1: It's a long shot as he has no HC history and he's an alum so I doubt Schaus makes it happen- Tommy Freeman. We all know him as a player under Groce, he has rapport with the fans, worked as a GA. He's from Indiana so he could snag some talent from there. He's working at a D3 school now so I'm assuming he would welcome a D1 HC salary. I'm not sure if that makes sense, but it's better than Saul.

Option #2 (A more realistic one): Brian Cooley
https://wsuraiders.com/staff.aspx?staff=154

Cooley is an associate HC at Wright State. Fresh off an NCAA tourney appearance, Wright State is on the rise. I know the thought of bringing in someone with Dakota history is a sore subject right now, but they've got 8 kids on their roster from Ohio. Seems he can find talent in the area decently well.

Anything at this point is speculation, but those are two guys I'd be interested in. With Schaus at the helm it'll likely be someone completely off the radar..
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  Message Not Read  RE: Future Coach
   Posted: 2/13/2019 1:09:23 PM 
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Option #1: It's a long shot as he has no HC history and he's an alum so I doubt Schaus makes it happen- Tommy Freeman. We all know him as a player under Groce, he has rapport with the fans, worked as a GA. He's from Indiana so he could snag some talent from there. He's working at a D3 school now so I'm assuming he would welcome a D1 HC salary. I'm not sure if that makes sense, but it's better than Saul.

Option #2 (A more realistic one): Brian Cooley
https://wsuraiders.com/staff.aspx?staff=154

Cooley is an associate HC at Wright State. Fresh off an NCAA tourney appearance, Wright State is on the rise. I know the thought of bringing in someone with Dakota history is a sore subject right now, but they've got 8 kids on their roster from Ohio. Seems he can find talent in the area decently well.

Anything at this point is speculation, but those are two guys I'd be interested in. With Schaus at the helm it'll likely be someone completely off the radar..


Welcome to the board! Nice name for your user ID!

I'd love to see Tommy back here on the coaching staff. He's clearly a student of the jump shot that could help some of the current bunch. Other former players that I like that would be nice additions to a coaching staff would include Walt Offut, David McKinley, and Ricardo Johnson. I'm just not sure any one of them is really ready or qualified to be the head coach quite yet.

Having a former player on staff from somewhat recent years might be a really good thing in terms of standing in front of players and recruits to say "this is how we're gonna do things, and this is the success we had when I was here by doing them this way."

If we're talking former folks that have been here, what about Fuss? He was the common denominator across Groce, Christian, and Saul staffs up until he left. I personally think in some aspects we took a small step back when he left.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Future Coach
   Posted: 2/13/2019 2:13:49 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
WittenburgT wrote:
greencat wrote:
OK, my turn and yes he's from the south.

Wes Miller at UNC-Greensboro - age 36.

This is his 3rd really good season in a row. Pony up and get the guy.

Buyout $$ will be involved.


Wes Miller has no shot at coming here. I believe he would be a good fit at Wake Forest. We need a coach with Energy and that has been at the high major level. Someone who knows what sort of athletes we need at Ohio. (Simmons, Campbell, Kaminski, R. Taylor) What about Pat Kelsey!?


Kelsey turned down the UMass job that paid much better.

How would you sell him on the Ohio job being a better place for him to be than UMass or Winthrop?


The best leg to stand on is that Athens is only 3 hours from Cincinnati, his hometown where he probably still has a lot of family? Other than that I don't have anything valuable to offer.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Future Coach
   Posted: 2/13/2019 2:15:26 PM 
bobcat 2000 wrote:
thad matta, rick majeres,maybe jerry tarkanian. how bout jhon rhodes


Tark passed away 4 years ago....never knew he was born in Euclid.


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   Posted: 2/13/2019 2:20:52 PM 
ďKevin was a superb addition to our staff," commented McKillop. "Iím absolutely certain that he will be an outstanding head coach in the very near future.Ē

https://davidsonwildcats.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1185&path=mb...

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   Posted: 2/13/2019 2:28:41 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
How about Tommy Amaker?


He makes 700k and Harvard is a better job than Ohio.


Interesting comment. Would you say that Penn, Princeton and Yale are better jobs than Ohio also?



Penn and Princeton almost certainly; Yale's probably a bit tougher to say, but I'd probably lean towards Yale as a better job than Ohio.

Harvard, Princeton, and Penn all pay better (I couldn't find the number for Yale's coach, fyi), are far more prestigious schools, and have endowments that basically give them limitless resources. If you perform well in those jobs and want to stick around longterm, the alumni will make sure you're well taken care of. They're also all located in or close to major metropolitan areas.

What's the case that Ohio's a better job? Why would a coach want to take a pay cut to coach at a school in a different one bid league and have to sell recruits on a worse education?


Even Ithaca NY (Cornell) in the beautiful Finger Lakes area of Western NY would be an extremely nice place to live. Athens OH is nice but the economically depressed surrounding area does detract some. Just to compare and contrast.
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   Posted: 2/13/2019 4:57:13 PM 
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Option #1: It's a long shot as he has no HC history and he's an alum so I doubt Schaus makes it happen- Tommy Freeman. We all know him as a player under Groce, he has rapport with the fans, worked as a GA. He's from Indiana so he could snag some talent from there. He's working at a D3 school now so I'm assuming he would welcome a D1 HC salary. I'm not sure if that makes sense, but it's better than Saul.



Seems like a no-brainer to me. With his fathers connections to the Indiana basketball and AAU scene, OHIO could easily and quickly become a pipeline of top notch basketball talent.
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   Posted: 2/13/2019 5:13:38 PM 
OMG. At least Dad could get free tix.

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   Posted: 2/13/2019 5:45:17 PM 
And we can get Vic Alexander on the staff for Philly kids. Steve Becvar for DC kids, DJ for Chicago and Dave Jamerson for the Christian kids in Indiana and beyond.
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   Posted: 2/13/2019 7:10:42 PM 
Lol at suggesting someone who hasn't even had a job as a college assistant as a serious candidate.
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   Posted: 2/13/2019 7:57:43 PM 
Others have mentioned Ryan Pedon, and rightly so. He'll have a gig before too long. Another I would look at is Saddi Washington at Michigan, formerly an assistant at Oakland and certainly familiar with Ohio h.s. talent.
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   Posted: 2/14/2019 5:53:15 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Option #1: It's a long shot as he has no HC history and he's an alum so I doubt Schaus makes it happen- Tommy Freeman. We all know him as a player under Groce, he has rapport with the fans, worked as a GA. He's from Indiana so he could snag some talent from there. He's working at a D3 school now so I'm assuming he would welcome a D1 HC salary. I'm not sure if that makes sense, but it's better than Saul.

Option #2 (A more realistic one): Brian Cooley
https://wsuraiders.com/staff.aspx?staff=154

Cooley is an associate HC at Wright State. Fresh off an NCAA tourney appearance, Wright State is on the rise. I know the thought of bringing in someone with Dakota history is a sore subject right now, but they've got 8 kids on their roster from Ohio. Seems he can find talent in the area decently well.

Anything at this point is speculation, but those are two guys I'd be interested in. With Schaus at the helm it'll likely be someone completely off the radar..


Welcome to the board! Nice name for your user ID!

I'd love to see Tommy back here on the coaching staff. He's clearly a student of the jump shot that could help some of the current bunch. Other former players that I like that would be nice additions to a coaching staff would include Walt Offut, David McKinley, and Ricardo Johnson. I'm just not sure any one of them is really ready or qualified to be the head coach quite yet.

Having a former player on staff from somewhat recent years might be a really good thing in terms of standing in front of players and recruits to say "this is how we're gonna do things, and this is the success we had when I was here by doing them this way."

If we're talking former folks that have been here, what about Fuss? He was the common denominator across Groce, Christian, and Saul staffs up until he left. I personally think in some aspects we took a small step back when he left.


I have actually been thinking about Ric, Stevie, Tommy and Dante Jackson was guys who I would actually have no problem seeing leading this program. People get hung up on experience and being "qualified." Saul was "qualified." Christian was very qualified and used us and abused us. I think it would be a cool risk to go with a guy like Rico or like you said, Fuss and get some OU guys on staff. Guys who understand what it means to love Ohio University. I don't think Saul got it. Groce was at least around the state. Dustin Ford was on his staff. We have to get that Bobcat love back!
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   Posted: 2/14/2019 8:22:53 AM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Option #1: It's a long shot as he has no HC history and he's an alum so I doubt Schaus makes it happen- Tommy Freeman. We all know him as a player under Groce, he has rapport with the fans, worked as a GA. He's from Indiana so he could snag some talent from there. He's working at a D3 school now so I'm assuming he would welcome a D1 HC salary. I'm not sure if that makes sense, but it's better than Saul.

Option #2 (A more realistic one): Brian Cooley
https://wsuraiders.com/staff.aspx?staff=154

Cooley is an associate HC at Wright State. Fresh off an NCAA tourney appearance, Wright State is on the rise. I know the thought of bringing in someone with Dakota history is a sore subject right now, but they've got 8 kids on their roster from Ohio. Seems he can find talent in the area decently well.

Anything at this point is speculation, but those are two guys I'd be interested in. With Schaus at the helm it'll likely be someone completely off the radar..


Welcome to the board! Nice name for your user ID!

I'd love to see Tommy back here on the coaching staff. He's clearly a student of the jump shot that could help some of the current bunch. Other former players that I like that would be nice additions to a coaching staff would include Walt Offut, David McKinley, and Ricardo Johnson. I'm just not sure any one of them is really ready or qualified to be the head coach quite yet.

Having a former player on staff from somewhat recent years might be a really good thing in terms of standing in front of players and recruits to say "this is how we're gonna do things, and this is the success we had when I was here by doing them this way."

If we're talking former folks that have been here, what about Fuss? He was the common denominator across Groce, Christian, and Saul staffs up until he left. I personally think in some aspects we took a small step back when he left.


I have actually been thinking about Ric, Stevie, Tommy and Dante Jackson was guys who I would actually have no problem seeing leading this program. People get hung up on experience and being "qualified." Saul was "qualified." Christian was very qualified and used us and abused us. I think it would be a cool risk to go with a guy like Rico or like you said, Fuss and get some OU guys on staff. Guys who understand what it means to love Ohio University. I don't think Saul got it. Groce was at least around the state. Dustin Ford was on his staff. We have to get that Bobcat love back!


Not sure how anyone can say Saul does NOT get what it means to love OHIO University. Saul is a great member of the community and ambassador of the University. Any failures he has had is not because he does not love and value the experience of OHIO.
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   Posted: 2/14/2019 8:43:00 AM 
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Option #1: It's a long shot as he has no HC history and he's an alum so I doubt Schaus makes it happen- Tommy Freeman.


Speaking of Tommy...don't think his dad has posted much at all this year. Did he announce that he was no longer coming on here and I missed it?


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   Posted: 2/14/2019 9:41:55 AM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Option #1: It's a long shot as he has no HC history and he's an alum so I doubt Schaus makes it happen- Tommy Freeman. We all know him as a player under Groce, he has rapport with the fans, worked as a GA. He's from Indiana so he could snag some talent from there. He's working at a D3 school now so I'm assuming he would welcome a D1 HC salary. I'm not sure if that makes sense, but it's better than Saul.

Option #2 (A more realistic one): Brian Cooley
https://wsuraiders.com/staff.aspx?staff=154

Cooley is an associate HC at Wright State. Fresh off an NCAA tourney appearance, Wright State is on the rise. I know the thought of bringing in someone with Dakota history is a sore subject right now, but they've got 8 kids on their roster from Ohio. Seems he can find talent in the area decently well.

Anything at this point is speculation, but those are two guys I'd be interested in. With Schaus at the helm it'll likely be someone completely off the radar..


Welcome to the board! Nice name for your user ID!

I'd love to see Tommy back here on the coaching staff. He's clearly a student of the jump shot that could help some of the current bunch. Other former players that I like that would be nice additions to a coaching staff would include Walt Offut, David McKinley, and Ricardo Johnson. I'm just not sure any one of them is really ready or qualified to be the head coach quite yet.

Having a former player on staff from somewhat recent years might be a really good thing in terms of standing in front of players and recruits to say "this is how we're gonna do things, and this is the success we had when I was here by doing them this way."

If we're talking former folks that have been here, what about Fuss? He was the common denominator across Groce, Christian, and Saul staffs up until he left. I personally think in some aspects we took a small step back when he left.


I have actually been thinking about Ric, Stevie, Tommy and Dante Jackson was guys who I would actually have no problem seeing leading this program. People get hung up on experience and being "qualified." Saul was "qualified." Christian was very qualified and used us and abused us. I think it would be a cool risk to go with a guy like Rico or like you said, Fuss and get some OU guys on staff. Guys who understand what it means to love Ohio University. I don't think Saul got it. Groce was at least around the state. Dustin Ford was on his staff. We have to get that Bobcat love back!


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