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Topic:  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Topic:  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
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Robert Fox
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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 1:51:12 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:


In no way, shape or form did he say they are the same. Those were your words, not his. And if liberty is number one, then our constitution grants the liberty to each individual to speak his or her mind. In its most simple form, that's what these players are doing. And at the end of the day, the citizens of this country do not enjoy equal liberties. Shoot, the school board in your neighborhood of Knox County wanted/wants to eliminate protections for GLBT students and employees.


He clearly insinuated an equivalency.

The respect for the flag and the anthem is about supporting the ideals of the nation. If you want to argue those ideals are not being properly applied, so be it. But that's an argument against the execution of the laws, not the constitution itself. If you agree with the concept that "All men are created equal" (for example--I know this is the DOI) then stand in honor of that ideal. If that ideal is not being applied properly than draw attention to those specific areas. Work toward change in those areas. Don't disrespect the entire nation.

Last Edited: 9/26/2017 1:55:30 PM by Robert Fox

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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 2:12:23 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:


In no way, shape or form did he say they are the same. Those were your words, not his. And if liberty is number one, then our constitution grants the liberty to each individual to speak his or her mind. In its most simple form, that's what these players are doing. And at the end of the day, the citizens of this country do not enjoy equal liberties. Shoot, the school board in your neighborhood of Knox County wanted/wants to eliminate protections for GLBT students and employees.


If that ideal is not being applied properly than draw attention to those specific areas. Work toward change in those areas.


This is exactly what they are doing, drawing attention on the largest stage possible and in a non-violent way. Here we have a sports board where we have hashed out various sides of the standing/not standing debate. Now it's time to move on to what we do about the issues that they are pointing out. So I'll offer you the floor, what issue would you tackle first and how can we start that discussion?

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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 2:21:17 PM 

Robert Fox wrote:
DelBobcat wrote:
I'm not saying it's not true, but it's more likely that your memory has changed the details of what really happened in those days. That's not a knock on you, it happens to all of us. The human memory is a funny thing and it is very capable of playing tricks on us all.


God, you're pretentious.

 

It does sound a tad arrogant to me.  As general principle it's true, not only for individuals but for nations.  David Blight's book Race and Reunion: The Civil War in American Memory deals with exactly this phenomenon as it relates to the late Rebellion. However, as it relates to my family the in the 1960s, I have way too many data points and corroboration from friends and relatives to reject my memory of that era.  Since you challenged my memory, I thought that I would paste below an excerpt from a eulogy that my sister wrote for our father's funeral.  I had to read most of it at the funeral because my sister choked up too much while trying to read it. 

    My father leaves a great legacy of kindness, compassion, and reaching out to help others.  He was a good Samaritan -- he did not pass by on the other side of the road when someone was in need.  Where he saw injustice, he fought it -- whether it be at the university or in the larger community.  In speaking about my father and his lifelong commitment to fighting injustices, I can't speak only of my father because he and my mother were a team for 55 years.
    One example of their efforts was their response in the early 1940's to the visit to Athens of Paul Robeson, the famous black bass/baritone.  Robeson was scheduled to perform at the university but no hotel in Athens would permit him to stay there and the university planned no reception for him.  It is ironic that in an earlier, more tolerant era, the largest hotel in Athens had been founded by a black man.
    When my parents and their friend Dorothy Oberdorfer learned that Robeson had no accommodations and that the university had failed to plan the reception customary for visiting artists, they set to work to rectify the situation.  They gave Robeson accommodations at Dorothy Oberdorfer's house and organized a reception there, my parents at the time having only a small apartment. . . .

Perhaps this gives you some sense of why our family supported most of the actions taken by activists in the South in the late 1950s and through the mid 1960s to end apartheid in those states and to bring about racial integration to replace the segregationist model that had taken root there since the end of Reconstruction.  

Last Edited: 9/26/2017 11:47:23 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 2:53:32 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
So I'll offer you the floor, what issue would you tackle first and how can we start that discussion?



Off the top of my head:
1. Develop an NFL-player-funded academic/university foundation for inner city kids.
2. Develop a brand for that fund and encourage players to wear those logos on hats/shirts etc during after-game and pre-game interviews.
3. Sponsor annual or semi-annual cop/neighborhood "fairs" designed to encourage cop/citizen trust and respect.
4. Invite inner-city youths by the dozens or more to home games, onto the field during pre-game, and in special, highly visible seating.
Edit: This last idea could be similar in concept to Soccer, where it is common for professional soccer players to escort youth soccer players onto the field during the anthem. NFL players could stand arm-and-arm with inner-city youths or any other at-risk group.

Last Edited: 9/26/2017 2:55:33 PM by Robert Fox

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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 2:58:35 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
So I'll offer you the floor, what issue would you tackle first and how can we start that discussion?



Off the top of my head:
1. Develop an NFL-player-funded academic/university foundation for inner city kids.
2. Develop a brand for that fund and encourage players to wear those logos on hats/shirts etc during after-game and pre-game interviews.
3. Sponsor annual or semi-annual cop/neighborhood "fairs" designed to encourage cop/citizen trust and respect.
4. Invite inner-city youths by the dozens or more to home games, onto the field during pre-game, and in special, highly visible seating.


+1 These are all excellent ideas.

Also, how about a program where NFL players go into poor urban and rural neighborhoods to promote education as a way out of poverty and dependence.


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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 3:13:12 PM 
How about a charity that lobbies for common sense laws that hold bad police officers accountable for bad police work?

Last Edited: 9/26/2017 9:11:06 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 4:44:51 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
So I'll offer you the floor, what issue would you tackle first and how can we start that discussion?



Off the top of my head:
1. Develop an NFL-player-funded academic/university foundation for inner city kids.
2. Develop a brand for that fund and encourage players to wear those logos on hats/shirts etc during after-game and pre-game interviews.
3. Sponsor annual or semi-annual cop/neighborhood "fairs" designed to encourage cop/citizen trust and respect.
4. Invite inner-city youths by the dozens or more to home games, onto the field during pre-game, and in special, highly visible seating.
Edit: This last idea could be similar in concept to Soccer, where it is common for professional soccer players to escort youth soccer players onto the field during the anthem. NFL players could stand arm-and-arm with inner-city youths or any other at-risk group.


Good list of programs. What issue(s)do these address?

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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 5:18:00 PM 
NFL players are already quite engaged in their respective communities -- where they work and where they live. I am sure this is true of athletes in other sports as well.

I had the opportunity to attend a forum focused on athletes and advocacy at Ohio State during the spring. 1968 Olympic Gold Medalist Tommie Smith, PhD; Mahmoud Abdul Rauf of LSU/NBA and Malcolm Jenkins of Ohio State/NFL all spoke as part of a panel. All three are thoughtful, intelligent men. All are involved in their respective communities.

Many elements will stick with me such as:

Tommie Smith: He was born in Texas and his parents were field workers in California where he grew up. He noted that the idea of the Olympic salute got its start at San Jose State University and through conversations with athletes from around the world at the 1967 World University Games in Tokyo; all out of the spotlight. he also talked about how he was drafted by the Rams, but out of football due to the controversy. He said he caught a break when Bill Walsh, an assistant coach for the Cincinnati Bengals at the time, reached out and convinced him to tryout. He earned a spot and remains grateful to Paul Brown for giving him a chance. He was able to earn enough money to be able to pay for graduate studies and has been an educator for most of his career.

Malcolm Abdul Rauf: He spoke about his difficult childhood with undiagnosed learning disabilities and abject poverty. He spoke about a spiritual and intellectual awakening in college which led him to study history and to a belief in Islam. Eventually, he decided to refuse to stand for the Star Spangled Banner and was suspended with fines. He worked out an agreement with the NBA in which he agreed to stand if they would support him in bowing his head and praying.

Malcolm Jenkins: Talked about his involvement in social justice issues after four shootings two by police and two of police in Minneapolis, Dallas and Baton Rouge. He spoke in depth about his decision to raise a fist in salute and how that was handled in the Eagles locker room/with the front office. He also talked about meetings with city safety and neighborhood leaders in Philadelphia; and how the team supported him in meeting with members of Congress about criminal justice reform (an issue which had much momentum thanks in large part to Republicans, but has been put on the backburner in this session). Below is a link to an article about Jenkins and his advocacy work:


https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2017/7/19/15993228/ma...
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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 5:24:32 PM 
To answer Alan's original question some posts back about national anthems at sporting events; I am going to offer an international perspective, because that is where the tradition began. I have relatives in both the UK and Germany and I have been to sporting events in both nations. It seems to me that without getting into too many generalities that the working class of all three nations (including our own) and those who who have a bit more a traditional view of society really enjoy their national anthems. Nothing like hearing grown women and especially men sing "God Save the Queen" at the top of their lungs.

Now you might ask, wait a minute wouldn't the working class in Germany support the SPD, and in England the Labour Party, while in the US the Democrats, how can they be conservative? I am talking about the rank and file, not the party elites who tend to be less nationalistic, religious etc.

Having talked to relatives in Europe and seen this with my own eyes, I have come to believe that all of this pageantry is a way to remember what once brought them together. I am not sure many who sit in the stands at most UK soccer matches know much about St. George, but they wear the St. George cross on their shirts as if they were going into some sort of Medieval battle, especially at World Cup matches or qualifying events. The elites don't get all of this unifying God and country stuff, but the rank and file sure do. Also, sometimes the newly arrived (within a generation or two) West Indies, India etc sing louder than anyone. Just my perspective from having seen this in person the last few decades.

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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 5:33:15 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
DelBobcat wrote:
I'm not saying it's not true, but it's more likely that your memory has changed the details of what really happened in those days. That's not a knock on you, it happens to all of us. The human memory is a funny thing and it is very capable of playing tricks on us all.


God, you're pretentious.


It does sound a tad arrogant to me. As general principle it's true, not only for individuals but for nations. David Blight's book https://www.amazon.com/dp/0674008197/?tag=mh0b-20&hva... deals with exactly this phenomenon as it relates to the late Rebellion. However, as it relates to my family the in the 1960s, I have way too many data points and corroboration from friends and relatives to reject my memory of that era. Since you challenged my memory, I thought that I would paste below an excerpt from a eulogy that my sister wrote for our father's funeral. I had to read most of it at the funeral because my sister choked up too much while trying to read it. My father leaves a great legacy of kindness, compassion, and reaching out to help others. He was a good Samaritan -- he did not pass by on the other side of the road when someone was in need. Where he saw injustice, he fought it -- whether it be at the university or in the larger community. In speaking about my father and his lifelong commitment to fighting injustices, I can't speak only of my father because he and my mother were a team for 55 years.
One example of their efforts was their response in the early 1940's to the visit to Athens of Paul Robeson, the famous black bass/baritone. Robeson was scheduled to perform at the university but no hotel in Athens would permit him to stay there and the university planned no reception for him. It is ironic that in an earlier, more tolerant era, the largest hotel in Athens had been founded by a black man.
When my parents and their friend Dorothy Oberdorfer learned that Robeson had no accommodations and that the university had failed to plan the reception customary for visiting artists, they set to work to rectify the situation. They gave Robeson accommodations at Dorothy Oberdorfer's house and organized a reception there, my parents at the time having only a small apartment. . . .
Perhaps this give you some sense of why our family supported most of the actions taken by activists in the South in the late 1950s and through the mid 1960s to end apartheid in those states and to bring about racial integration to replace the segregationist model that had taken root there since the end of Reconstruction.


That's a wonderful eulogy and I certainly was not trying to be arrogant or pretentious. I was merely stating a fact. Only 22% of Americans supported the Freedom Riders efforts. Only 28% supported sit-ins. Only 23% supported the March on Washington. Only 15% of whites believed that demonstrations by black folks helped their cause. If you and your parents were part of that 15% then good on you, and if not, I am in no place to judge you for that either. My point was that the vast majority of whites did not support the Civil Rights Movement, and if you ask them today they would remember it differently. That's human nature and it's not something we do consciously. People's memories are fungible and imperfect. We all have false memories. I'm certain I have many. This is an interesting take on the subject:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/how-ma... /

But again, I'm not saying your memories aren't accurate. I'm just saying that statistically it's more likely. I don't see how anyone could take offense to that. Maybe it comes off more crass in writing than I intended and for that I definitely apologize.


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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 6:58:52 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

This is now the most sensitive, snowflakiest thing I've ever read. I didn't think somebody would come into thread, insist they're the real victim, and preemptively accuse people of branding him a racist all in one post. That's just world class use of the victim card and outrage culture. Never seen anybody operate on this level.


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him


Interesting how you assumed my gender.


This would actually be a pretty funny little piece of performance art if you were self-aware enough to see the irony of complaining about political correctness in this thread.

But you're not.



Mistaking my posts as complaints about political correctness underscores my real complaint: a disturbingly large percentage of the population lacks the ability for logical reasoning.

Sad!

Last Edited: 9/26/2017 7:00:34 PM by The Optimist


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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 7:06:57 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

This is now the most sensitive, snowflakiest thing I've ever read. I didn't think somebody would come into thread, insist they're the real victim, and preemptively accuse people of branding him a racist all in one post. That's just world class use of the victim card and outrage culture. Never seen anybody operate on this level.


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...preemtively accuse people of branding him...


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him


Interesting how you assumed my gender.


This would actually be a pretty funny little piece of performance art if you were self-aware enough to see the irony of complaining about political correctness in this thread.

But you're not.



Mistaking my posts as complaints about political correctness underscores my real complaint: a disturbingly large percentage of the population lacks the ability for logical reasoning.

Sad!


You definitely demonstrated that some people struggle with logical reasoning, I'll give you that.

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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 7:14:33 PM 
DelBobcat: I will accept your apology. What you wrote initially sounded to me not like a general statement, which I agree with, but that you were using this general statistic to question my specific memory on this specific issue. To that I took umbrage. I have a bad memory on many, many things. I'm, for instance, not one who can remember a whole lot of detail about specific plays in a football or basketball game after-the-fact. I might remember one or two key plays, but the details of other aspects of the game quickly get blurry in my memory. A number of times I've had the experience of reading a long forgotten account of memorable game and been surprised that some key play was not exactly the way I remembered 30 years later. However, on some matters, I have a very good memory. I'm one of those rare folks who can remember things back to when I was about two and half years old. When my parents were alive I often surprised them by being able to remember things that they had forgotten but which they had a record of and could check for accuracy. A few years ago I had the opportunity to visit a house in Annapolis, Maryland, that my parents had sold in 1950 when we moved back to Athens. I was 5 years old at the time. I had not been back to that house since until this visit. The woman living there was the person (along with her deceased husband) who had bought the house from my parents. Her daughter was at the house. When she gave me a tour of the house, she was very surprised the detail that I remembered about various rooms in the house. Then when we went outside, she confirmed I remember correctly who had lived in several nearby houses. So, in short, I'm just as capable as anyone of misremembering things, of having false memories, etc. But, there are some things I remember very well, and my family's position on racial issues during the turbulent Civil Rights Era of mid-20th Century is one of those!

Last Edited: 9/26/2017 7:16:15 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 7:33:25 PM 
My assertion about "mainstream America" was correct. Per this poll, a significant majority are against the kneeling: http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/trump-nfl-poll-anthem-... /
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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 8:05:52 PM 
catfan28 wrote:
My assertion about "mainstream America" was correct. Per this poll, a significant majority are against the kneeling: http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/trump-nfl-poll-anthem-... /


And polls said Hillary would win. We're ready for your next irrelevant anonymous post.
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   Posted: 9/26/2017 8:10:44 PM 
catfan28 wrote:
My assertion about "mainstream America" was correct. Per this poll, a significant majority are against the kneeling: http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/trump-nfl-poll-anthem-... /


I guess we should just get rid of the first amendment then.
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   Posted: 9/26/2017 8:36:15 PM 
I do hope I am misreading some posts which attribute quotes of liberty from Ho Chi Minh? He wrote about liberty, but he not only admired Lenin's words but his evil murderous deeds, hardly something one can attribute to liberty. I guess the same logic goes into calling countries like the People's Republic of China (Communist China,) or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea,) or the former Deutsche Demokratische Republik (East Germany.) They can use democracy within their names, but everyone really knows what they are. I shake my head the same way when I see people wearing Che Guevara shirts, the mass murder that Fidel Castro didn't even trust so he had him shipped to Bolivia where he died.

There are some great posts on this thread, but I had to step in and ask why ruin it with stuff like that? Please keep up the good work, but let's avoid stuff like that, it's nauseating to people who might have suffered under those tyrants.

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   Posted: 9/26/2017 8:48:31 PM 
Check out the reports of reporters who were on AF1 and who attended a dinner with him at his course in NJ. He ad-lived this in Alabama, it was perceived so well that he decided to make it an issue to pump up his support.

Keep in mind a year ago he strongly supported Kaps right to protest.
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   Posted: 9/26/2017 8:59:38 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
How about a charity that lobbies for commence sense laws that hold bad police officers accountable for bad police work?



That would be admitting that bad police officers exist, and some simply cannot come to that realization. Unless of course the are roughing up a white nurse in suburbia.

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   Posted: 9/26/2017 9:01:16 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:


In no way, shape or form did he say they are the same. Those were your words, not his. And if liberty is number one, then our constitution grants the liberty to each individual to speak his or her mind. In its most simple form, that's what these players are doing. And at the end of the day, the citizens of this country do not enjoy equal liberties. Shoot, the school board in your neighborhood of Knox County wanted/wants to eliminate protections for GLBT students and employees.


He clearly insinuated an equivalency.

The respect for the flag and the anthem is about supporting the ideals of the nation. If you want to argue those ideals are not being properly applied, so be it. But that's an argument against the execution of the laws, not the constitution itself. If you agree with the concept that "All men are created equal" (for example--I know this is the DOI) then stand in honor of that ideal. If that ideal is not being applied properly than draw attention to those specific areas. Work toward change in those areas. Don't disrespect the entire nation.


Funny as a candidate Trump said that they had every right to take a knee.
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   Posted: 9/26/2017 10:31:49 PM 
Found this to be a particularly interesting assessment of the current state of the free speech debate in each party: https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/541050 /
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   Posted: 9/26/2017 10:41:57 PM 
catfan28 wrote:
My assertion about "mainstream America" was correct. Per this poll, a significant majority are against the kneeling: http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/trump-nfl-poll-anthem-... /


Ahh polls. Great snap shots. But not always telling or on the right side of history

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/03/05/50-years-... /


http://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/21/poll-shows-whites-in-ci...

But then people don't get to pick which Americans get civil rights and which don't......oh wait. Some think they should.

But then Trymp has already been declared unpresidential so there is no hope for him

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/17/poll-trump-unpre...

But then we did just have a Kenyan as president

http://www.politico.com/story/2011/02/51-of-gop-voters-ob...

So maybe poll numbers change. But then almost all protests are unpopular when they start. Othwrwise there would be no need to protest.

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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/26/2017 11:37:07 PM 

 


Another discussion on this issue that I found interesting. It's clear that there are a number of ways to view what these NFL players are doing. Again, this has nothing to do with their right to protest how they want to, given whatever workplace restrictions they might have. In my mind it's a question of just how effective this method of protest is in terms of getting any kind of lasting result. I could be wrong. I often am. But, I see this current set of protests as counterproductive. I see very little parallel between these protests and those of the mid-20th Century Civil Rights protests. In both cases I support the goals. In the earlier protests I supported the method. In this current case, I'm very skeptical of the methods, as is Jason Whitlock in this video. Perhaps, we are both wrong. Time will tell.

 

Last Edited: 9/26/2017 11:40:12 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/27/2017 5:38:13 AM 
I trust that you genuinely support the cause, and that you were a genuine supporter of the Civil Rights Movement in the 60s.

But I can't even imagine how you rationalize your support for the GOP given that support. I would be genuinely interested in trying to understand it, because in terms of both policy and rhetoric conservatism today feels very regressive in regards to Civil Rights. How do you, for instance, consider yourself a strong supporter of the Civil Rights movent and support a party that's systematically and blatantly pushing to make it more difficult for black citizens to vote? Those two things feel very at odds with one another, and it's hard for me to accept that you support the cause of this movement when you vote against the movement's interests.
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  Message Not Read  RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?
   Posted: 9/27/2017 7:23:27 AM 
According to a news report yesterday,viewership for last Sunday's NFL games was down 11% from the the week before.
They also said the ratings for the Sunday night game were "non-existent".

There was an article in the paper about American Legion Posts,VFW's and certain bars around here turning off games where NFL players took a knee.

There's also an online article about Direct T.V. offering refunds to customers upset over the protests.

Why do I think, if viewership drops to a point where if hurts the NFL's bottom line,you're gonna see a league wide policy put into to place to address this.

Maybe they'll go back to their old policy, pre 2009 I believe,of having the teams stay in the locker room till after the National Anthem.

As Joe Pesci said in "Casino" : "always the dollars,always the F***'in dollars".


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