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Topic:  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
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GraffZ06
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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/20/2013 2:02:36 AM 
Yeak take Kron out of the equation because we never could beat them, and take us out of the equation because we can't play ourselves....and the rest of the MAC that we actually beat this year was PATHETIC.

This team underwhelmed and underperformed all year, but at least they were consistent I'll give em that. They weren't GOOD but they were consistent.

I predicted a 10-15 point loss tonight. If Denver doesn't shoot 50% or whatever god awful percentage it was from the foul line, that's about exactly what we would have gotten. Like I said, we're consistent.

I still have a hunch we'll be a MAC force for years to come once JC gets his guys and his style implemented, though it's going to be a much bigger and slower style of play. Can't say I agree with the style, but it is what it is, and if it's run correctly it CAN be successful. Of course if this trend of never being able to beat anybody unless you have far superior talent continues then we're in really REALLY big trouble. 

The $20,000 question is whether being a MAC force is good enough? For me, that answer depends on how good the MAC as a conference performs. If it's as bad as this year and has been for awhile, then the answer is an astounding no. It's akin to dominating the Patriot league (oops, they actually rank higher than the MAC this year). Now if the MAC gets back to being a top 12 league in a good year and only down around 14/15 in a bad year...and is getting 2+ bids more years than only 1...then yeah being a MAC force will be good enough. But that's really the "next level" we're all talking about. The level where we have enough national recognition like a Butler or Gonzaga that even though we aren't in a major conference people know us and talk about us all year. The level where we're in the running for an at-large bid EVERY season and we aren't dependent on 1 week in Cleveland. The level where we don't make the NCAA every season (nobody does) but it's more rare that we don't than when we do.

This season had all the makings of being able to start building that national resume. NCAA's 3 out of 4 years. Sweet 16. NCAA tourney wins every time. Gonzaga and Butler didn't get national recognition for ONE amazing run, the same way George Mason didn't just because they went to one final four. No you earn that by doing it over multiple years and consistently knocking off teams and making runs in the NCAA tourney. With literally every contributing player returning from last year, this was the best chance I've ever seen in my lifetime for us to actually start that trend. But alas, it wasn't to be and we threw that chance in the trash. Time to start building all over again. We'll see where we are in another 3-5 years. Hopefully we're still having these conversations/debates because it will mean we've either made it or are at least close. 

Last Edited: 3/20/2013 2:06:00 AM by GraffZ06

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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/20/2013 7:37:01 AM 
JSF wrote:
I will give you $250 in cash to say that to the face of any of our seniors or Jim Christian.


I would say it to Ivo's face but he would try to punch me while fading away and completely whiff.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/20/2013 10:33:56 AM 
bobcat28 wrote:
JSF wrote:
I will give you $250 in cash to say that to the face of any of our seniors or Jim Christian.


I would say it to Ivo's face but he would try to punch me while fading away and completely whiff.



Nice, probably the first time I have ever laughed out loud at a BA comment.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/20/2013 11:46:50 AM 
This senior group achieved two things that few in OHIO basketball history have:

A MAC Tourney Champion
A Sweet16
A Regular Season MAC Co-Champion

They are now officially done.  Thanks for the memories.

Now for the next group: it's up to you to continue the success.  Take the Challenge and succeed!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/20/2013 12:16:36 PM 
OUbobcat9092 wrote:

I don't post here very often but I've followed the program fairly closely since entering OU in the 1990's. Hell, I once told a buddy Lewis Geter would the best Bobcat for years to come and the fans better show up and watch him ... oops

Lewis Geter won POY in the MAC his Senior year!


Sad to think Trent and Coop both ended their OU careers in the NIT 1st round. They needed a proper sendoff and Iowa City and Denver ain't it.  Now, off to watch the win over USF.

Trent won the 1st round game in the NIT his senior year (GWU) and then lost in the 2nd round @ Iowa.


I remembered the George Washington game after posting. I was lucky to be in the presser afterwards; Mike Jarvis was like a stand up comic!

Yeah, Geter was POY. At the time, I was thinking OU wouldn't have one of those again for a while. He certainly was good but I put Trent, Coop, Hunter, G. Ford and Tillman ahead of him. Maybe if he didn't play for the "Children of the Corn" I would rank him higher. 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/20/2013 5:43:30 PM 
Lot's of failures out there this year:
Indiana doesn't win the Big Ten Tourney, despite being ranked #1 most of the year.
Kentucky loses to Robert Morris the year after winning it all.
Syracuse doesn't win the Big East.
Duke or NC doesn't win the ACC.

Last year Michigan lost to us, for God's sake.
Butler didn't even make the tourney after going to the finals two straight years.




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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/20/2013 5:51:35 PM 
Take the top 2 or 3 teams out of the MAC every year over the last 5 years... And the conference would be just as bad as it is this year with the top 2 or 3 teams out.

The numbers show "This is the worst MAC ever!" argument is completely without merit.

Last Edited: 3/20/2013 6:02:19 PM by Matt Noonan

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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/20/2013 5:57:52 PM 
Worst ever? No maybe not (though it's in the running).

Completely pathetic? Without a doubt. It's bad enough that "winning the MAC" doesn't hold much water on a national scale which is what we're hopefully trying to obtain.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/20/2013 6:05:22 PM 
I'm not going to argue that it's not pathetic... But guess what? We lost a lot more MAC games in those other pathetic years. Hell, in 2010 we finished 9th.

The revisionist history needs to end.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/20/2013 11:45:24 PM 
Matt Noonan wrote:

The revisionist history needs to end.


It will - and then will again..............


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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/20/2013 11:49:05 PM 
bobcat28 wrote:
JSF wrote:
I will give you $250 in cash to say that to the face of any of our seniors or Jim Christian.


I would say it to Ivo's face but he would try to punch me while fading away and completely whiff.



I think he would jump in the air and throw a ball at you............


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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/21/2013 5:35:30 AM 
Ozcat wrote:
9704 - If you call yourself a fan, I'm appalled.  You're a miserable person and must live a terrible, lonely life.
 
Last year, for 4 games in March, we overachieved.  This season, we achieved.
 
You bring up no quality wins. Ok.  Everyone gets that, but is that really something to be ashamed of?  Every single team we lost to on the road is playing in the Big Dance or the NIT.  We had one bad loss to Winthrop, that's it. 
 
Like we said a few days ago, Ohio basketball just isn't for you.  Abandon sports all together, or I suggest rooting for Duke.


Are you saying that we only lost one time to Winthrop?

Or are you willfully blind to such bad losses as Memphis and Belmont.  And not a single particularly good win comes to mind.

Then again, what should we have expected with everyone returning from a team that knew how to do it last year.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/21/2013 8:25:13 AM 
agreed 99%, they didn't get it done this year, no good out of conference wins ( 3 good chances all blown), couldn't beat the top conference team in 3 chances, lack of defense all year, Last year's sweet 16 run might be the high of bobcat basketball for some time to come. 
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   Posted: 3/21/2013 8:36:46 AM 
Motorcity Bobcat wrote:
agreed 99%, they didn't get it done this year, no good out of conference wins ( 3 good chances all blown), couldn't beat the top conference team in 3 chances, lack of defense all year, Last year's sweet 16 run might be the high of bobcat basketball for some time to come. 


Gawd I love those who see the bright side of life.

Tremendous 11th post. \

Sorry to jump your shit but there is absolutely a grey pall hanging over this entire post. Nothing of redeeming value to point to?

And nothing in the future that gives you any hope?

Maybe I am an eternal optimist but I would hate if any of the kids on the floor said ...."yep the best is behind us, lets just go out and play this game, everything is uphill from here" .....we would jump their shit....oh yeah....we already did in that other thread.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/21/2013 8:49:40 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Motorcity Bobcat wrote:
agreed 99%, they didn't get it done this year, no good out of conference wins ( 3 good chances all blown), couldn't beat the top conference team in 3 chances, lack of defense all year, Last year's sweet 16 run might be the high of bobcat basketball for some time to come. 


Gawd I love those who see the bright side of life.

Tremendous 11th post. \

Sorry to jump your shit but there is absolutely a grey pall hanging over this entire post. Nothing of redeeming value to point to?

And nothing in the future that gives you any hope?

Maybe I am an eternal optimist but I would hate if any of the kids on the floor said ...."yep the best is behind us, lets just go out and play this game, everything is uphill from here" .....we would jump their shit....oh yeah....we already did in that other thread.


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   Posted: 3/21/2013 8:50:23 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
[QUOTE=Motorcity Bobcat]agreed 99%, they didn't get it done this year, no good out of conference wins ( 3 good chances all blown), couldn't beat the top conference team in 3 chances, lack of defense all year, Last year's sweet 16 run might be the high of bobcat basketball for some time to come. 


Gawd I love those who see the bright side of life.


  Ol' Tom has a point here, ya know:

http://youtu.be/JrdEMERq8MA


   Way too much whining and kvetching going on here.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/21/2013 9:01:03 AM 
9704, Monroe, motorcity,  and a few more of the so called Bobcat fans out there who do not appreciate a season that sees their team winning 24 games, 14-2, regular season co-champs, play in the finals in Cleveland, plays in the post season, can all go to H#%% , or go to NIU, or EMU.  These threads just prove what people have no idea how difficult it is to play winning basketball at this level over a long period of time.   Think about what you are typing, thinking, trying to defend.   24 Wins !  14-2,   Oh, forget it.  You guys just do not understand college basketball and never will.....you never played it, you never coached it, and you continue to prove that you know nothing about it.   I look forward to taking time away from this board, if for no other reason than  to avoid the thoughts of all naysayers.  I prefer to spend my time following the development of the kids in our atheltic programs via spring football, off-season hoops in the convo, bobcat baseball etc.  Look forward to the arrival of the new 'Cats who will make up the next teams we get to follow.  We are not entitiled to win 20 games every year.  We are not guarranteed a return trip to the sweet 16 just because we caught lightning in a bottle last year and returned a team with many of the same strengths and weaknesses of the year before.   College basketball does not work that way.  Some of you out there just do not get it, and you never will.  Hopefully by next year you will become more realistic, understanding and appreciative of what we have.......no, you are right, that would be asking way to much from you !  Please join Big Blue Nation, where winning a national championship is the only worthwhile goal, and you all can be miserable for 98% of your life, because even Kentucky is not going to win every game.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/21/2013 9:35:54 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Ozcat wrote:
9704 - If you call yourself a fan, I'm appalled.  You're a miserable person and must live a terrible, lonely life.
 
Last year, for 4 games in March, we overachieved.  This season, we achieved.
 
You bring up no quality wins. Ok.  Everyone gets that, but is that really something to be ashamed of?  Every single team we lost to on the road is playing in the Big Dance or the NIT.  We had one bad loss to Winthrop, that's it. 
 
Like we said a few days ago, Ohio basketball just isn't for you.  Abandon sports all together, or I suggest rooting for Duke.


Are you saying that we only lost one time to Winthrop?

Or are you willfully blind to such bad losses as Memphis and Belmont.  And not a single particularly good win comes to mind.

C'mon Monroe.  Even I'll admit you're reading comprehension is better than you display here.

We had one bad loss, to Winthrop.

We lost badly to Memphis and Belmont.  If you haven't noticed, they're both in those brackets we're filling out.  So is Oklahoma.  And Bobby Mo and UMass were also in the NIT.  None of those losses were "bad".

My point, restated just for you: Yes, we didn't beat any "good" teams.  We also didn't play any of them in our gym.  And aside from Winthrop, we beat every other team that we were supposed to beat.

I get that you're "down" right now Monroe.  To me, that sounds like a you problem.  If you weren't clueless enough to think that a Sweet Sixteen run actually meant we were a top 16 team, your expectations would have been a little more realistic, and you would've enjoyed this season as much as the rest of us did instead of being miserable most of the year.

Expectations = good
Unrealistic expecations = bad
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   Posted: 3/21/2013 10:08:08 AM 
I think it's safe to say that the Sweet 16 run will be the highlight of this program for some time to come. And that is in no way a bad thing. I'm beginning to think some Ohio  fans failed to understand how amazing that run was.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Same Crap, Same Year
   Posted: 3/21/2013 10:46:32 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
ohio9704 wrote:
They went 14-2 in one of the worst MAC years in history.    


Stop saying this, it just isn't true. 

MAC Conference rankings according to Kenpom.com

2013 - 15th
2012 - 17th
2011 - 18th
2010 - 16th
2009 - 18th


I'd really like to know where you come up with this stuff. 


Seriously?  Did you see the teams in conference that were other than us, 'kron and kents-for-the-last-part-of-the-year?

Not very good at all.


How often does the MAC have four 20 win teams in the same year? 
On average, the MAC has 3 teams each year that win 20 game (over the last 10 years)

4 of them are playing in post-season tournaments...

2 have already won a post-season game

Last Edited: 3/21/2013 10:52:40 AM by OUbobcat9092


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   Posted: 3/21/2013 11:34:56 AM 
Winning 20+ games in a season may look great until you consider who those 20+ wins involved, and more importantly, how did other teams fare against some of the teams we lost to?  Here is a small sample:

OKLAHOMA SOONERS:                                                                                   

UT Arlington (WAC)                                                   W 63-59
Oral Roberts  (Southland)                                       W 63-62
Northwestern State (Southland)                             W 69-65
SFA  (Southland)                                                        L  56-55

UMASS:                                                                                                          BELMONT BRUINS:

Siena (MAAC)                                                              W 64-63                   Morehead State (OVC)        W 64-63
Northeastern (CAA)                                                    W 72-66                   Oral Roberts (Southland)   W 70-67
Elon (SoCon)                                                               W 78-73 (OT)         Northeastern (CAA)              W 74-71
Miami (Ohio) (MAC)                                                    W 70-69                   Ohio (MAC)                            W 81-62                  
Stony Brook (AEC)                                                      L 71-58 
Ohio (MAC)                                                                   W 85-76



MEMPHIS TIGERS:

Northern Iowa (MVC)                                                 W 52-47
Samford (SoCon)                                                       W 65-54
Lipscomb (Atlantic Sun)                                            W 62-56
Oral Roberts (Southland)                                          W 72-57
Ohio (MAC)                                                                   W 81-62

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   Posted: 3/21/2013 12:02:53 PM 
OUbobcat9092 wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
ohio9704 wrote:
They went 14-2 in one of the worst MAC years in history.    


Stop saying this, it just isn't true. 

MAC Conference rankings according to Kenpom.com

2013 - 15th
2012 - 17th
2011 - 18th
2010 - 16th
2009 - 18th


I'd really like to know where you come up with this stuff. 


Seriously?  Did you see the teams in conference that were other than us, 'kron and kents-for-the-last-part-of-the-year?

Not very good at all.


How often does the MAC have four 20 win teams in the same year? 
On average, the MAC has 3 teams each year that win 20 game (over the last 10 years)

4 of them are playing in post-season tournaments...

2 have already won a post-season game



If you saw a fair amount of MAC play this year then you know that there were a few decent teams ('kron, us, WMU, kents 2nd half of season) and the rest were really quite bad.

The point is that '2 have already won a post-season game'--and we lost without putting up too much fight in the first round of a secondary tournament. 

Hey, how many teams don't win 20 games these days and/or don't go to a tournament?  Is your standard 'somewhere in the top half of all 335 teams' or competing to be ranked every year'?  Don't we aspire to be a program reasonably on the upswing,

I don't have unreasonable expectations.  I'd've been plenty happy if we'd've made the NCAA's.  Any wins there would have been a bonus.  At this point, I highly doubt we have much chance next year to make the NCAA's--too many unknowns.  That's okay as long as we compete and are a fair amount better at year end than at start.

Be realistic, as the season progressed, we were never really in contention for a spot in the NCAA's.  Don't tell me about 'oh, all we had to do to was beat 'kron in the title game.'  We were never going to beat them the way that we played this year.


I've pointed out my specifics--some players had fine years (DJ was superb, of course) and one did not.  And wonder why the coaches didn't handle the latter better,





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   Posted: 3/21/2013 12:18:39 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:


The point is that '2 have already won a post-season game'--and we lost without putting up too much fight in the first round of a secondary tournament. 



Kent and WMU both won at home, we had to go on the road against a very good team with a short turn around, and we only lost by 4 points. 

Don't tell me we didn't put up much of a fight. If that is your takeaway I have a hard time believing you even watched the game. 
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   Posted: 3/21/2013 12:52:20 PM 
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:


The point is that '2 have already won a post-season game'--and we lost without putting up too much fight in the first round of a secondary tournament. 



Kent and WMU both won at home, we had to go on the road against a very good team with a short turn around, and we only lost by 4 points. 

Don't tell me we didn't put up much of a fight. If that is your takeaway I have a hard time believing you even watched the game. 


And we had a shot to win the game under 10 seconds to go...


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   Posted: 3/21/2013 2:00:25 PM 

We were 4-4 over the last 8 at the important time of the year.  Last year, at this same time, this same team was ON!

Someone posted about how UMich is playing better now, perhaps because of how we did them last year at this time.  Us, not so much.

Tell me who gave played quite well against Denver.  Or did it look, sadly, like us losing or being unable to hold a lead as in so many key games this year.

I don't enjoy this but I think it's a reasonable analysis.


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