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allen
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits
   Posted: 11/28/2016 9:25:57 PM 
L.C. wrote:
allen wrote:
I wish I could agree with you here, but even the coaches said they needed to recruit better. Solich said he did not take a QB last year because they could not not find the guy, they said they would no longer take a guy, but would be relentless in finding the guy. I do appreciate our seniors. I appreciate all of the players.

That's the feeling I have, too. I see four distinct phases that Ohio recruiting has gone through. I'll get more data later and post it, but from memory, from 2005-2009 or so, Ohio struggled to fill the classes. The bulk of the recruits were added in December-January, and almost all were players who had no other offers. The late players often turned out to be very good players.

From 2010-12 they started adding some early recruits, then finished up by filling the class in December-January. These classes didn't work out all that well, however.

From 2013-2016 they filled the classes very early, but it included a lot of 2-star athletes. There weren't a lot of spaces left come January for late additions. The bulk of these recruits were also very good students, and then they added a few at the end who were questionable as far as qualifying. These classes were much better than the 2010-12 period.

This year there seems to be a new approach. They seemed to apply a higher standard or what they were after, and they have not taken the early 2-star recruits. Virtually every recruit this year has been 3-star rated, and all, or almost all have multiple offers. This year, because of the small class, they have been more selective, and it's paying off. There are also a lot more Florida and Texas players, and less Ohio players.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits
   Posted: 11/29/2016 11:54:35 AM 
Here's more data for you. When you deal with recruiting rankings, you have so many variables. Ratings come and go, people change, standards change. Is there inflation in ratings? Numbers changes? You never know. As an example, Rivals used to rate players from 5.0 and up. Then one year they changed to 5.2 and up. Now they really don't rate the MAC at all. The one constant through all this is competitive offers. Sure, there are a few more teams, but not that many more to change the numbers of offers kids get significantly. So, how how many other offers have players turned down to accept at Ohio? Is it changing over time?

2005 <.3
2006 .93
2007 .84
2008 2.00
2009 1.24
2010 1.08
2011 2.50
2012 2.71
2013 2.28
2014 2.28
2015 2.31
2016 3.00
2017 3.38 (thus far)

I have no problem using ratings services to compare teams in a conference in a given year, but I have a little more question about using it to track historical changes. My preferred rating is the composite number from 247Sports, which includes other ratings in the composite. Nevertheless, here's how the composite has varied for Ohio since it came out:

2012 .7741
2013 .7618
2014 .7597
2015 .7733
2016 .7731
2017 .8036 (thus far, including only players who have been rated).

How do the various teams in the MAC stack up this year, so far, in terms of the average for players actually rated. Note that this rating ignores quantity, and focuses only on quality. Ohio has a smaller class thus far than most other MAC teams, and if they fill their class with lower-rated players, their average could change significantly. By contrast, WMU's class is already full, at 25 players, and shouldn't change. Here are the top MAC teams:

WMU - .8127 (25 players)
Toledo - .8051 (19 players)
Ohio .8036 (8 rated players, 1 unrated)
BG .7927 (16 players)
Miami .7920 (14 players)
NIU .7861 (17 players)


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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits
   Posted: 12/6/2016 9:08:10 AM 
Pretty easy to sell corners and safeties on OHIO when you can point to increasingly more and more OHIO DB's who have found success in the NFL.

Mike Mitchell lit guys up at Ohio. Then he got drafted in the 2nd round. Now Mike Mitchell is the hardest hitting safety in the league.

Hagan was a 3* with an offer from Ole Miss, now he is freshman of the year in the MAC. Now we've got two more 3* DB's from Florida coming in. Our defensive backfield is going to be scary for the foreseeable future.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio Football Commits
   Posted: 12/6/2016 11:04:45 AM 
Here are the rankings by 247Sports for Ohio's recruits thus far. Two star is 70-79, 3 star is 80-89, and so on:
Ellison 88 (composite, including ratings from other services .8415)
Mitchell 84 (composite .8281)
Brooks 82 (composite .8154)
Minter 80 (composite .7924)
Cherry 80 (composite .7924)
Jackson 79 (composite .7898)
Keszei 81 (composite .7882)
Newton 75 (composite N/A)
Drake: Not Rated Yet

For what it's worth, in my ongoing evaluation of the various recruiting services and how the players actually turn out, here is what I have found:

ESPN: Unrated players on average have been better than rated players, but their 3-star rated players are better than their 2 star players. The problem is that they rate so few players that go to G5 schools that their ratings are essentially meaningless for G5 schools.

Scout.com: All players that Ohio recruits end up rated 2 star or 3 star. As such there is very little discrimination to begin with. To make matters worse, the Ohio recruits that have been rated 3 stars have performed on average no differently than recruits rated 2 stars. I consider the Scout.com ratings to be completely useless as far as Ohio classes are concerned.

Rivals: Here there is a bit more discrimination, with most Ohio recruits rated from 5.2 to 5.7. Unfortunately, if there is a correlation, it is negative. Players with the lowest rating from them, 5.2, have outperformed players rated 3-stars by them, on average. The problem is that, like the other services, they dedicate most of their resources to P5 teams. In fact, they now treat G5 schools the same as they treat FCS schools, and no longer even have a recruiting page for them at all.

247Sports: They actually attempt to rate most of the recruits from G5 schools, and they rate them on a scale with a lot of discrimination, from 70 to 100. How have they done? Players rated 78 and up by them have usually been very good players. Players rated 71-77 by them have not been as good. Players that are unrated by them (rating of 70) have done worse than rated players. Thus there is a clear correlation, and it is positive, the only service for which this is true.

Competitive Offers: This has a very strong correlation. Players with 3 or more offers have performed distinctly better on average than players with 1 or 2, and those have been better than players with none.

Thus, for Ohio recruiting, there are two good predictors of future success. One is the 247Sports rating (not their composite, which is corrupted by bad ratings from other services), and the number and quality of other offers. So, how does this class stack up in terms of quality (yes, we know, it's small, and needs more recruits)? From a standpoint of 247Sports ratings, as given above, it looks very, very good. As far as competitive offers, again, it looks very, very good, since everyone but the JUCO have multiple offers.

Last Edited: 12/7/2016 12:16:49 PM by L.C.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio Football Commits
   Posted: 12/8/2016 8:47:37 PM 
Bcat2 probably doesn't like Hagan...he was a 3-star guy?!? I'd take 9 more just like him for two or three years in a row!!!That is pretty much the WMU method to go from 1-11 to 13-0 in four years.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio Football Commits
   Posted: 12/9/2016 7:24:53 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
Bcat2 probably doesn't like Hagan...he was a 3-star guy?!? I'd take 9 more just like him for two or three years in a row!!!That is pretty much the WMU method to go from 1-11 to 13-0 in four years.


I do like Hagan, but, not more than J. Johnson, Basham, B. Brown, Laseak, Carpenter, Crutcher, Poling, Watson, Sayles, Mangen, Carrie or the Moore bros, etc. They have all been, in my estimation, "good enough" for Ohio. I also like 3 star guys like Russell, Lowery and McCray, Duckworth and Windham, etc. I just believe in the coaches own evaluations over the services.

Last Edited: 12/9/2016 7:34:16 AM by Bcat2


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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio Football Commits
   Posted: 12/10/2016 9:20:34 AM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Bcat2 probably doesn't like Hagan...he was a 3-star guy?!? I'd take 9 more just like him for two or three years in a row!!!That is pretty much the WMU method to go from 1-11 to 13-0 in four years.


I do like Hagan, but, not more than J. Johnson, Basham, B. Brown, Laseak, Carpenter, Crutcher, Poling, Watson, Sayles, Mangen, Carrie or the Moore bros, etc. They have all been, in my estimation, "good enough" for Ohio. I also like 3 star guys like Russell, Lowery and McCray, Duckworth and Windham, etc. I just believe in the coaches own evaluations over the services.


I agree with you there. Ohio has done a much better job in identifying talent compared to the MAC East. I see it on the field. Now WMU is recruiting at such a high level to be a legit Top 20 level. Ohio will be there in a few years I think with a few more facilities. Biggest videoboard in the MAC.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits
   Posted: 12/12/2016 1:02:50 AM 
As of now (pm 12/11/16), this thread lists us with 9 commits.

Hustlebelt.com at this time shows the following commits:
Akron 12
Ball 18
BG 15
Beefalo 8
CMU 17
EMU 9
Kents 13
Miami 15
NIU 17
OHIO 8
FATMAN 19
WMU 24.

Certainly, there's no info about quality here. And, there's no info about philosophy and situation...filling in a short list of needs vs. many holes to fill.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits
   Posted: 12/12/2016 8:14:54 AM 
I always wait until the class is done before evaluating. Its a little disconcerting to be behind our peers in numbers committed at this point, but there may be a method to the madness and we will end up in a good position when the claSS is completed.

Quality per recruit appears to be good for us so far.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits
   Posted: 12/14/2016 8:02:49 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Here's more data for you. When you deal with recruiting rankings, you have so many variables. Ratings come and go, people change, standards change. Is there inflation in ratings? Numbers changes? You never know. As an example, Rivals used to rate players from 5.0 and up. Then one year they changed to 5.2 and up. Now they really don't rate the MAC at all. The one constant through all this is competitive offers. Sure, there are a few more teams, but not that many more to change the numbers of offers kids get significantly. So, how how many other offers have players turned down to accept at Ohio? Is it changing over time?

2005 <.3
2006 .93
2007 .84
2008 2.00
2009 1.24
2010 1.08
2011 2.50
2012 2.71
2013 2.28
2014 2.28
2015 2.31
2016 3.00
2017 3.38 (thus far)

I have no problem using ratings services to compare teams in a conference in a given year, but I have a little more question about using it to track historical changes. My preferred rating is the composite number from 247Sports, which includes other ratings in the composite. Nevertheless, here's how the composite has varied for Ohio since it came out:

2012 .7741
2013 .7618
2014 .7597
2015 .7733
2016 .7731
2017 .8036 (thus far, including only players who have been rated).

How do the various teams in the MAC stack up this year, so far, in terms of the average for players actually rated. Note that this rating ignores quantity, and focuses only on quality. Ohio has a smaller class thus far than most other MAC teams, and if they fill their class with lower-rated players, their average could change significantly. By contrast, WMU's class is already full, at 25 players, and shouldn't change. Here are the top MAC teams:

WMU - .8127 (25 players)
Toledo - .8051 (19 players)
Ohio .8036 (8 rated players, 1 unrated)
BG .7927 (16 players)
Miami .7920 (14 players)
NIU .7861 (17 players)

Maybe we can get one of those two guys who have tweeted that they just got an Ohio offer, number 17 and 20. I know we would like to get the best players, but seriously why waste the time and money making offers to these guys? Are we just trying to spend all of our recruiting budget? Call me realistic on this one.

For those of you saying we have to think big, I get it. Please tell me why we should waste money and precious time on recruits that we have no chance of getting. From a purely business standpoint, why would we waste those precious resources? Name one 17-20 offer guy who we have signed and/or actually showed up.

I'll be very happy to say I'm wrong if we sign one of these guys.

Last Edited: 12/14/2016 8:29:00 AM by colobobcat66

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits
   Posted: 12/14/2016 10:56:00 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Here's more data for you. When you deal with recruiting rankings, you have so many variables. Ratings come and go, people change, standards change. Is there inflation in ratings? Numbers changes? You never know. As an example, Rivals used to rate players from 5.0 and up. Then one year they changed to 5.2 and up. Now they really don't rate the MAC at all. The one constant through all this is competitive offers. Sure, there are a few more teams, but not that many more to change the numbers of offers kids get significantly. So, how how many other offers have players turned down to accept at Ohio? Is it changing over time?

2005 <.3
2006 .93
2007 .84
2008 2.00
2009 1.24
2010 1.08
2011 2.50
2012 2.71
2013 2.28
2014 2.28
2015 2.31
2016 3.00
2017 3.38 (thus far)

I have no problem using ratings services to compare teams in a conference in a given year, but I have a little more question about using it to track historical changes. My preferred rating is the composite number from 247Sports, which includes other ratings in the composite. Nevertheless, here's how the composite has varied for Ohio since it came out:

2012 .7741
2013 .7618
2014 .7597
2015 .7733
2016 .7731
2017 .8036 (thus far, including only players who have been rated).

How do the various teams in the MAC stack up this year, so far, in terms of the average for players actually rated. Note that this rating ignores quantity, and focuses only on quality. Ohio has a smaller class thus far than most other MAC teams, and if they fill their class with lower-rated players, their average could change significantly. By contrast, WMU's class is already full, at 25 players, and shouldn't change. Here are the top MAC teams:

WMU - .8127 (25 players)
Toledo - .8051 (19 players)
Ohio .8036 (8 rated players, 1 unrated)
BG .7927 (16 players)
Miami .7920 (14 players)
NIU .7861 (17 players)

Maybe we can get one of those two guys who have tweeted that they just got an Ohio offer, number 17 and 20. I know we would like to get the best players, but seriously why waste the time and money making offers to these guys? Are we just trying to spend all of our recruiting budget? Call me realistic on this one.

For those of you saying we have to think big, I get it. Please tell me why we should waste money and precious time on recruits that we have no chance of getting. From a purely business standpoint, why would we waste those precious resources? Name one 17-20 offer guy who we have signed and/or actually showed up.

I'll be very happy to say I'm wrong if we sign one of these guys.


Well, it's late in the process and these guys are still listening/looking. Plus, you have to look at offers. I don't have all of Covatto's offers but 247 lists Air Force, Army, Navy, Kent St., Richmond, Toledo, Villanova, Akron, Bryant, Albany, Bucknell, Duquesne, Kentucky Christian, Lafayette, Monmouth, Robert Morris and Albany. It wouldn't be a shock for Ohio to beat any of these schools in a recruiting battle.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits
   Posted: 12/14/2016 12:21:21 PM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Here's more data for you. When you deal with recruiting rankings, you have so many variables. Ratings come and go, people change, standards change. Is there inflation in ratings? Numbers changes? You never know. As an example, Rivals used to rate players from 5.0 and up. Then one year they changed to 5.2 and up. Now they really don't rate the MAC at all. The one constant through all this is competitive offers. Sure, there are a few more teams, but not that many more to change the numbers of offers kids get significantly. So, how how many other offers have players turned down to accept at Ohio? Is it changing over time?

2005 <.3
2006 .93
2007 .84
2008 2.00
2009 1.24
2010 1.08
2011 2.50
2012 2.71
2013 2.28
2014 2.28
2015 2.31
2016 3.00
2017 3.38 (thus far)

I have no problem using ratings services to compare teams in a conference in a given year, but I have a little more question about using it to track historical changes. My preferred rating is the composite number from 247Sports, which includes other ratings in the composite. Nevertheless, here's how the composite has varied for Ohio since it came out:

2012 .7741
2013 .7618
2014 .7597
2015 .7733
2016 .7731
2017 .8036 (thus far, including only players who have been rated).

How do the various teams in the MAC stack up this year, so far, in terms of the average for players actually rated. Note that this rating ignores quantity, and focuses only on quality. Ohio has a smaller class thus far than most other MAC teams, and if they fill their class with lower-rated players, their average could change significantly. By contrast, WMU's class is already full, at 25 players, and shouldn't change. Here are the top MAC teams:

WMU - .8127 (25 players)
Toledo - .8051 (19 players)
Ohio .8036 (8 rated players, 1 unrated)
BG .7927 (16 players)
Miami .7920 (14 players)
NIU .7861 (17 players)

Maybe we can get one of those two guys who have tweeted that they just got an Ohio offer, number 17 and 20. I know we would like to get the best players, but seriously why waste the time and money making offers to these guys? Are we just trying to spend all of our recruiting budget? Call me realistic on this one.

For those of you saying we have to think big, I get it. Please tell me why we should waste money and precious time on recruits that we have no chance of getting. From a purely business standpoint, why would we waste those precious resources? Name one 17-20 offer guy who we have signed and/or actually showed up.

I'll be very happy to say I'm wrong if we sign one of these guys.


Well, it's late in the process and these guys are still listening/looking. Plus, you have to look at offers. I don't have all of Covatto's offers but 247 lists Air Force, Army, Navy, Kent St., Richmond, Toledo, Villanova, Akron, Bryant, Albany, Bucknell, Duquesne, Kentucky Christian, Lafayette, Monmouth, Robert Morris and Albany. It wouldn't be a shock for Ohio to beat any of these schools in a recruiting battle.


You got me there Ted. I didn't look up the offers so I'll back off that one.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits
   Posted: 12/17/2016 8:31:15 AM 
Looks like we have another wide receiver opening as Jarid Brown, a junior, has graduated and is going to play at Western Illinois according to his twittter account. I do wish him well and appreciate his effort at Ohio.

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   Posted: 1/1/2017 10:08:56 PM 
The part that confuses me in all of this, is that our main staff has been here for 12 years. Somehow we have only have 2 kids from Ohio. You would think we have made inroads by now to recruit Ohio, or folks with Ohio ties. Surprised it's not as much like Texas where coaches from top high schools get plucked by the colleges.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio Football Commits
   Posted: 1/1/2017 10:41:11 PM 
Don't care where they come from as long as they're not the homesick type, they're good students and citizens, and they help us win.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio Football Commits
   Posted: 1/2/2017 11:30:46 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
The part that confuses me in all of this, is that our main staff has been here for 12 years. Somehow we have only have 2 kids from Ohio. You would think we have made inroads by now to recruit Ohio, or folks with Ohio ties. Surprised it's not as much like Texas where coaches from top high schools get plucked by the colleges.


The 2016 class had a heavy emphasis on Ohio. According to this website, of the 22 high school players recruited and signed, 11 were from Ohio.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio Football Commits
   Posted: 1/2/2017 1:37:14 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
The part that confuses me in all of this, is that our main staff has been here for 12 years. Somehow we have only have 2 kids from Ohio. You would think we have made inroads by now to recruit Ohio, or folks with Ohio ties. Surprised it's not as much like Texas where coaches from top high schools get plucked by the colleges.


The 2016 class had a heavy emphasis on Ohio. According to this website, of the 22 high school players recruited and signed, 11 were from Ohio.

That's been true the last few years. As we know, however, SE Ohio doesn't produce a lot of D1 players. That means that to get good players, Ohio needs to beat Miami in SW Ohio, Toledo and BG in NW Ohio, or Akron and Kent in NE Ohio. If they aren't careful they end up getting 2d choices.

Ohio in particular has been strong in SW Ohio in recent years, but with a resurgence in Miami, that may be getting more difficult. If they can land 3-star players from Florida, that works, too.

Looking at just Freshmen, here's how the percentage from Ohio has varied:
2006 - 9 of 15 from Ohio
2007 - 9 of 20 from Ohio
2008 - 5 of 15 from Ohio
2009 - 3 of 17 from Ohio
2010 - 7 of 13 from Ohio
2011 - 11 of 21 from Ohio
2012 - 4 of 14 from Ohio
2013 - 8 of 18 from Ohio
2014 - 13 of 18 from Ohio
2015 - 7 of 16 from Ohio
2016 - 11 of 18 from Ohio
2017 so far - 2 of 8 from Ohio

I attribute this year's drop to the loss of Coach George at a key point in the recruiting cycle. After he left, the number of recruits for June-July dropped well below the last couple years. They will fill the class, but they will have to work harder to do so than in recent years.

Last Edited: 1/2/2017 7:16:31 PM by L.C.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio Football Commits
   Posted: 1/2/2017 7:04:44 PM 
I have a recruiting database, and it includes my evaluation of the players after they got to Ohio. For grins, I sorted it by state. For states with at least a few recruits, and the time period 2006-14, here is my average rating:

Oklahoma (3 players) 4.0
Nebraska (10) 3.3
DC (4) 3.0
Ohio (70) 2.9
Florida (8) 2.8
Virginia (9) 2.7
PA (13) 2.6
Georgia (8) 2.5
California (6) 2.3
W. Virginia (3) 1.7

Even more interesting, if you split Ohio into 2006-2011 and 2012-2014, the numbers are very different. Ohio from 2006-2011 was 2.7, while from 2012-14 it was 3.2.

From this exercise, I take two things away. First, and most clear, is that Ohio has not only been getting more players from Ohio in recent years, they have been getting better ones. I attribute this, as much as anything, to Ohio's regional camps. When they can actually see the players in camp, they can more accurately assess exactly who they want, and they have been getting very good players that way. If Ohio sees a significant long term drop in who they are getting from in-state, it will not be a good thing, because in-state has been their major source for high-quality players since 2012.

The second thing I take away is that when recruits come from a recruiting hotbed like Georgia, Florida, California, or Texas, that doesn't automatically mean they are good, but among those, Florida has been the best. Nebraska and Oklahoma have been very good, too, but neither has been a significant source of players in recent years.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio Football Commits
   Posted: 1/3/2017 1:18:04 PM 
Looking at it, I'm guessing that this class will come in with about 21-22 players, so it won't be all that small of a class after all.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 Ohio Football Commits
   Posted: 1/3/2017 6:52:52 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Looking at it, I'm guessing that this class will come in with about 21-22 players, so it won't be all that small of a class after all.


It never seems to end up as small a class as it looks going in, does it? There always seems to be a lot of churning nowadays, much like basketball. The transfer rule seems to be part of it, and the QB situation has become ridiculous.

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   Posted: 1/3/2017 8:01:01 PM 
Arkley tweeted a few weeks ago it was expected to be a small class of "15ish" but I think that was before the brass knuckle incident.
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   Posted: 1/3/2017 8:46:53 PM 
But if there's always churn (guys no longer on the team for whatever reason) then the net really is the lower figure.

So, if this year's class is, say, 22 guys, ya gotta figure it will effectively end up as some lower number....as a lesser number of guys who actually end up playing.

I'm not criticizing at all. I'm just trying to point out the net reality which seems to always occur.

That's football.



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   Posted: 1/3/2017 9:18:12 PM 
There have been a few classes where most of the people who actually enrolled did play. Interestingly those were primarily 2005, and 2007-98. In recent years Ohio has has more trouble with getting players that come in with an injury, and who can't play, or at least not right away. I'm not sure why that it, but it certainly isn't helpful. One difference is that those years the classes were filled late, in December-January, rather than mostly being filled in June-August, like the recent classes have been.

As for the class size, if it was originally going to be 15, then it will now be 18, I suppose, after accounting for the loss of Belack, Neal, and Jarrid Brown, so my estimate of 21 might be high.

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   Posted: 1/14/2017 9:46:51 AM 
Possible commit?
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We've made an offer and he has the #w17ness hashtag on his twitter profile.
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He would be a good get.


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