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Topic: RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Topic: RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

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Monroe Slavin
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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/2/2016 1:12:27 AM

I'll take a four star rating guy so long as those stars are from any legitimate, widely cited recruiting source.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/14/2016 2:47:02 AM

No linemen yet?

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/15/2016 6:10:42 PM

We signed 10-11 lineman in last years class. We need skill players. DBs preferably.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/15/2016 9:56:52 PM

ExCat21 wrote:

We signed 10-11 lineman in last years class. We need skill players. DBs preferably.

yes definitely DB's and fast WR's, TE and a couple LB's

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/17/2016 11:07:40 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

No linemen yet?

They must have seen your request.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/19/2016 10:14:24 AM

We'll see. I still think that the D-line has proven the strength of this year's team. And the end-of-eligibility losses will be significant.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/23/2016 1:30:28 PM

Based on the tweets today, there were quite a few recruits at the game last night. I hoped they liked the experience. Can't imagine that they were impressed with the game-although some of them may be defensive guys. They also may see lots of playing opportunities here.

Anyway, it could have been a lot worse, we could have lost.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/25/2016 10:27:38 PM

Bcat2 is back to tell us STARS mean nothing. Obviously, there are weird ratings and situations. having said that, don't tell me the WMU way of getting 10 or more 3-star guys a year hasn't paid off. it may not ensure winning but it makes it a lot easier when you have that much talent! Especially if you are in the MAC.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/26/2016 8:02:18 AM

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Casper71, correct,coach Fleck's recruiting, both at NIU and Western has paid off. The man has a gift, a real talent. He is really good. Probably like Kelly and others he will be gone. However, this season for the fourth time in twelve years Ohio will play for the MACC. Ohio's wins since 2006 rank behind only NIU. Coach Solich and his staff's recruiting and the efforts of the players has paid off for Ohio too. I am very satisfied with the players Ohio sends out. The more I follow them, the more I know of them, the more I appreciate why the coaches chose them for Ohio. They win some, they lose some, however, the coach that won 250 faster than it had ever been done wrote the book "More Than Winning." There is more than winning. JMHO. I will not be "humiliated" should Western win in Detroit. Too proud of this senior group. I know they will give their all and that will be good enough for me.

Last Edited: 11/26/2016 8:29:58 AM by Bcat2

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/26/2016 11:32:19 AM

And everyone gets a trophy every day for everything.

In fact, when there are games, both teams win!

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/26/2016 1:47:11 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

And everyone gets a trophy every day for everything.

In fact, when there are games, both teams win!

So Monroe, you do not accept that there can be "More Than Winning?" Well Monroe the concept comes usually from having experienced both and winning enough to realize that the Special Olympics have it about right. "Let me win, if I can not win let me be brave in the attempt." Nothing about trophies, just the contest and how you conduct yourself, and your effort, and if you are courageous, it is reasonable to have pride win or lose. I have never seen that you get that. Again, nothing about trophies.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/26/2016 6:12:42 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

And everyone gets a trophy every day for everything.

In fact, when there are games, both teams win!

He also doesn't get that 99.9% of them will go out into the real world and get a job. They are STUDENT-athletes which is a foreign concept to him.

And anything but a MACC is failure according to him. A MACC is more important to some people (i.e Monroe) than kids majoring in mechanical engineering, economics, computer science, etc., making the deans list and graduating with a GPA over 3.9.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/26/2016 10:56:40 PM

Good--very good points: The object of football is not to win.

Should not be judged on winning.

No qualitative assessments should be made.

The finest of trophies for everyone every time. Both sides win always and all ways.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/27/2016 10:08:59 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Sorry you are unable to READ and COMPREHEND.

And not a thing in the drivel above has a thing to do with my prior post. Thanks for yet again CHOOSING to not address FACTS.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/27/2016 12:44:29 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/27/2016 5:00:13 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Good--very good points: The object of football is not to win....

Yes, Monroe. Actually, it is true. The primary goal of a University is to educate students, and to assist those students to mature in life. Athletics has long played a role in education, for hundreds or thousands of years for two reasons. First, keeping your body healthy is also important for keeping your mind healthy.

Second, sports can be used to teach life lessons. It can teach the students the importance of focusing their efforts. It can teach them teamwork. It can teach them leadership. It can teach them perseverance. It can teach them not to give up, and to overcome difficulties. It can teach them that when you fail, you don't give up, you work harder, and improve. I'm sure there are many more life lessons that I'm forgetting, but in the end, the goal of the University it to turn out better people, and people who will go on to successes in life. Sports is a method of doing that.

More recently I would add a third goal to the list, affirmative action. Often athletes come from difficult life situations. Sports gives them an alternate path to success. One type of story that I love to hear are of a kid that grew up in a bad neighborhood, surrounded by gangs and drugs, who worked at a sport, went on to become an athlete, earned a scholarship, and then left college to succeed in life.

In my opinion, something has gone very wrong with sports. The fans put all the emphasis on winning, and none on the educational aspects of it. For many fans, players are there to be used, and then discarded when their time is up, or sooner if they don't produce. Who needs an academic center, anyway? Should we really care if athletes graduate, or only if they win a championship? I believe that athletics is the worse for it. Perhaps sports should be left to professional teams, rather than being a part of college.

Last Edited: 11/27/2016 5:01:39 PM by L.C.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/27/2016 5:55:25 PM

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Monroe Slavin wrote:

Good--very good points: The object of football is not to win....

I am so hurt, I never knew you were a participation trophy fan. Please tell me that universities don't pay coaches million to teach sportsmanship. Is there an illuminati out there that we don't know about? Will the Bobcats go and sell girl scout cookies with Texas State. Texas needs to go into the corner and think about their actions. Why would they fire Charlie Strong, he is such a nice guy. It's trophy time everybody gets one. I was always taught that going to college was to prepare you for a career and at my job people have to be responsible for our actions, what if Ohio gave everybody participation degrees, why can't everybody get cum laude?

Last Edited: 11/27/2016 7:44:36 PM by allen

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/27/2016 7:54:26 PM

L.C. wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Good--very good points: The object of football is not to win....

+1

But did Ohio fail Monroe? Did he get an education? And has he matured in life? I can't answer that but the jury may still be out :)

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/27/2016 10:17:40 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/27/2016 11:20:41 PM

allen wrote:

It is interesting that you say this when I never mentioned anyone getting a trophy for participation, nor for anything other than winning. Note that I also didn't mention sportsmanship, though you can learn that from sports, too. The whole point of sports is to try to win, of course, but not everyone can win. Striving to win is the point, and you can learn from it whether you win, or whether you don't. Giving participation trophies is exactly the opposite because it diminishes the point of trying to win.

One place where I differ from Monroe is on the importance of the trophy itself. To me there are more than one measure of success. Also, to me when you take the attitude that winning is the only thing, you end up with other problems, like ethical issues and coaching salaries spiraling out of control. There are other places as well where I disagree with Monroe, and that is far from the only one.

Getting back to recruiting, another nice addition today. This is turning into a class Casper should like. Lots of players from Florida and Texas, and almost all are 3-star. Also, almost everyone who has committed has a bunch of other offers.

Last Edited: 11/27/2016 11:26:44 PM by L.C.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/28/2016 12:46:30 AM

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allen wrote:

We are winning in the living room this year.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/28/2016 7:01:01 AM

allen wrote:

L.C. wrote:

allen wrote:

We are winning in the living room this year.

allen. And given the quality of the senior class, have been for a while.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/28/2016 7:06:48 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Like a child in a "Did so, did not, did so, did not." Monroe is the have to have the last word kid. Guess he thinks it means last word wins or some such.

Last Edited: 11/28/2016 7:07:17 AM by Bcat2

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/28/2016 9:03:12 AM

Bcat2 wrote:

allen wrote:

L.C. wrote:

allen wrote:

We are winning in the living room this year.

allen. And given the quality of the senior class, have been for a while.

I wish I could agree with you here, but even the coaches said they needed to recruit better. Solich said he did not take a QB last year because they could not not find the guy, they said they would no longer take a guy, but would be relentless in finding the guy. I do appreciate our seniors. I appreciate all of the players.

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RE: 2017 Ohio ootball Commits

Posted: 11/28/2016 11:12:47 AM

allen wrote:

That's the feeling I have, too. I see four distinct phases that Ohio recruiting has gone through. I'll get more data later and post it, but from memory, from 2005-2009 or so, Ohio struggled to fill the classes. The bulk of the recruits were added in December-January, and almost all were players who had no other offers. The late players often turned out to be very good players.

From 2010-12 they started adding some early recruits, then finished up by filling the class in December-January. These classes didn't work out all that well, however.

From 2013-2016 they filled the classes very early, but it included a lot of 2-star athletes. There weren't a lot of spaces left come January for late additions. The bulk of these recruits were also very good students, and then they added a few at the end who were questionable as far as qualifying. These classes were much better than the 2010-12 period.

This year there seems to be a new approach. They seemed to apply a higher standard or what they were after, and they have not taken the early 2-star recruits. Virtually every recruit this year has been 3-star rated, and all, or almost all have multiple offers. This year, because of the small class, they have been more selective, and it's paying off. There are also a lot more Florida and Texas players, and less Ohio players.

Last Edited: 11/28/2016 11:16:38 AM by L.C.

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