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More often than not 5 star players turn out to be busts and 3 star players make a significant and positive impact on their team. Frankly I'd be more worried or concerned if these so-called ratings services had Ohio at the top of the MAC-were that the case there'd be nowhere for Ohio to go but down. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,789 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/3/2016 9:40:57 PM  The recruiting services put so little time and effort into non-power conference teams' recruits that their ratings are completely useless. Back to Top BuddyLee General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 668 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/3/2016 10:05:33 PM  C Money wrote: Press conference TL;DR: Houchins is a combo CB/S Strobel is NG Looking at transfer QB they like who they recruited out of high school Preferred walk-ons are Long, O'Neill, Sink, and Fusner No academic issues…everyone is qualified academically OL group is most athletically ready group since Solich has been at Ohio I did not hear the press conference so maybe this was explained, but what transfer QB are we talking about? Krizancic or someone else? Last Edited: 2/3/2016 10:05:56 PM by BuddyLee Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/3/2016 10:14:13 PM  BuddyLee wrote: I did not hear the press conference so maybe this was explained, but what transfer QB are we talking about? Krizancic or someone else? Someone else. It was someone who, per Solich, could transfer, and if he does transfer, they're pretty confident he'll transfer to Ohio. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/3/2016 10:44:37 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Personally I think these ratings services aren't worth a dime and following them is an absolute waste of time and money. More often than not 5 star players turn out to be busts and 3 star players make a significant and positive impact on their team. Frankly I'd be more worried or concerned if these so-called ratings services had Ohio at the top of the MAC-were that the case there'd be nowhere for Ohio to go but down. I agree thaI the ratings are silly. But apart from that, I'd not object if we were rated #1 and it is not true that there'd be nowhere to go but down. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! 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James Walsh was the one who came to my mind. Zach Murdock was his high school teammate so there's a connection. If he transferred this summer, he would have to sit out 2016, but would have 2 years of eligibility left after that, I think. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,064 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/3/2016 11:08:48 PM  UpSan Bobcat wrote: The recruiting services put so little time and effort into non-power conference teams' recruits that their ratings are completely useless. Well, reflecting how little effort the expend, Rivals seems to have eliminated the Ohio page entirely, along with most of the rest of the MAC, about two weeks ago. Here's their MAC ranking, and you'll note that only four of the MAC teams are still clickable: https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2016/mid-america I presume this reflects their acknowledgement that they really aren't providing much coverage anyway. I wonder if the MAC teams for whom they still have a recruiting page are the MAC teams that have active forums on Rivals? “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top ou79 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 644 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 6:29:33 AM  A quick search online for James Walsh reveals that he originally was going to come to Ohio in 2013, then at the last minute changed to Boston College. Apparently he left that program in 2014 and I could not find where he went from there. Back to Top cincybobcat99 General User Member Since: 11/8/2007 Post Count: 192 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 8:00:02 AM  cc-cat wrote: C Money wrote: BuddyLee wrote: I did not hear the press conference so maybe this was explained, but what transfer QB are we talking about? Krizancic or someone else? Someone else. It was someone who, per Solich, could transfer, and if he does transfer, they're pretty confident he'll transfer to Ohio. Any player from these parts that may want to come home? Ok, I'll bite. Joe Burrow is the only person that makes sense. Ohio shouldn't be having any contact with players in other programs talking about transferring - until they declare they are transferring. But you can't stop a player in another program from talking to their dad. But it doesn't make sense to me, given the praise he has gotten from OSU. Ok, I just looked up transfers contact rules. http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/current/permission-c... If the student got a written permission from their current school, they can talk before transfer is announced. Last Edited: 2/4/2016 8:55:28 AM by cincybobcat99 Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,894 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 10:06:36 AM  Here we go, the annual rant on those "worthless recruiting services" that mistreat Ohio and the MAC and the non power 5. Well, are some rankings to ponder: WMU has 15/26 recruits as 3-star. Toledo 10/22. Even Miami has 9/21. Then, UC has 17/21. Where is OHIO? 5/25. These are all per 247Sports. What does this mean? Just because a service ranks our class as something like 120 and shows only 5 3-star recruits, does that make it meaningless given the above rankings? And, lets get real and face it, this staff believes in recruiting primarily under the radar guys. They get a few diamonds but most are diamonds in the rough. To me, this is just the typical FS&Co recruiting class at OHIO. And, I need to add, the staff has been able to coach players up and at least make us respectable on the college football landscape. Given everything, I continue to believe this strategy, while it has been ok, is not one that will win a MACC. To repeat my refrain: we need MORE BETTER players if we want to win a MACC. I could be wrong but so far, that is not the case and we are over 10 years in. Time will tell... Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 11:50:10 AM  ou79 wrote: A quick search online for James Walsh reveals that he originally was going to come to Ohio in 2013, then at the last minute changed to Boston College. Apparently he left that program in 2014 and I could not find where he went from there. If he left the program in 2014 and does transfer to OHIO would he not be immediately eligible since he didn't play varsity football last year? The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,447 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 12:28:10 PM  Casper71 wrote: Here we go, the annual rant on those "worthless recruiting services" that mistreat Ohio and the MAC and the non power 5. Well, are some rankings to ponder: WMU has 15/26 recruits as 3-star. Toledo 10/22. Even Miami has 9/21. Then, UC has 17/21. Where is OHIO? 5/25. These are all per 247Sports. What does this mean? Just because a service ranks our class as something like 120 and shows only 5 3-star recruits, does that make it meaningless given the above rankings? And, lets get real and face it, this staff believes in recruiting primarily under the radar guys. They get a few diamonds but most are diamonds in the rough. To me, this is just the typical FS&Co recruiting class at OHIO. And, I need to add, the staff has been able to coach players up and at least make us respectable on the college football landscape. Given everything, I continue to believe this strategy, while it has been ok, is not one that will win a MACC. To repeat my refrain: we need MORE BETTER players if we want to win a MACC. I could be wrong but so far, that is not the case and we are over 10 years in. Time will tell... For all of WMU's much ballyhooed recruiting classes, they have won as many MACC lately as Ohio has, zero. Color me not impressed. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,789 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 12:50:15 PM  Walsh redshirted in football at Boston College during the 2013-14 school year. He quit football in August 2014 or sometime around there and opted to walk on to the baseball team in the spring of his second year and was a redshirt freshman in baseball that year as a left-handed pitcher. He did not play. He is not on the 2016 baseball roster. There are two students by the name of James Walsh in the student directory, including one in the class of 2017 and in the College of Arts and Sciences, which matches his profile information, but both his name and college are very common. So this is his third year in college (if he is enrolled this year) and he has yet to actually play a game in any sport there. He's spent one year on each team. I'd think if he were to transfer, he'd be a redshirt junior in the fall eligible immediately. From This Week News from an article one year ago yesterday: Another athlete who made a late switch just before signing day but then had things turn out differently than he expected was 2013 Coffman graduate James Walsh. He originally committed to play football for Ohio but eventually switched to Boston College, where he didn't appear in any games as a freshman and then left the team just before fall practice last year. He didn't leave school, though, and instead will walk on to the baseball team this spring. Walsh played three seasons of varsity baseball at Coffman. "I was committed to Ohio University for a good while and I kind of flipped at the last second, and I think I made the wrong move to football," Walsh said. "I just didn't see eye to eye with my own position coach. I thought about transferring but decided I wanted to stay at Boston College because it's a good school." Here was his BC baseball profile from last season: http://bceagles.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=277&path = Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,894 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 1:01:51 PM  '85...FS has been here 11 years. Fleck has been at WMU what, 3-4 years, I think. Last time we played them, who won and who had the better personnel? Who do you think will win a MACC first, FS or Fleck? If we had his players with our staff, I don't think I would be on this board talking about needing MORE BETTER players and winning a MACC all the time. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,064 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 1:06:36 PM  Casper71 wrote: Here we go, the annual rant on those "worthless recruiting services" that mistreat Ohio and the MAC and the non power 5. Well, are some rankings to ponder: WMU has 15/26 recruits as 3-star. Toledo 10/22. Even Miami has 9/21. Then, UC has 17/21. Where is OHIO? 5/25. These are all per 247Sports... The services aren't "worthless", but they are far more accurate at the top than at the bottom. Why? They are for-profit companies, so they put the bulk of their emphasis where they make the most money. Of the top 20 teams, how many of their fans subscribe to their services? A lot. How man MAC fans do? Not many, I would guess. We're an afterthought, and nothing more, and we always will be. A couple services, Scout.com and 247Sports, do put at least minimal effort into covering the MAC, and we should be grateful for the attention we do get. I don't think they are ever totally wrong, nor totally right, and they do give us something for discussion, as well as information on what the other MAC schools are up to. My primary thought is that we just need to keep in mind that the service ratings aren't gospel, and we need to remember that, whether the class is highly rated or not. Personally, I think it would be interesting for us to spend more time looking at the film ourselves, and less time reading the ratings, and see if we, as individuals, do as well or better. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,894 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 1:16:08 PM  L.C., I tend to agree with you. Film probably tells a lot and this staff knows exactly what kind of players they want. For the average recruiting nut though: how many films did you watch of WMU or TU or even Miami recruits? There has to be a reason why they are 3-star guys. And, if you watched THEIR film you might be more impressed with their recruits than ours... Said it once, say it again...this staff recruits kids they are comfortable with and coaches them up and has improved our football fortunes. The issue is coaching enough of those kinds of players up high enough to win a MACC. Hasn't happened yet. I just think we need MORE BETTER play makers to get to the top and get this monkey off our backs. Back to Top 5KMD General User Member Since: 8/8/2012 Location: Wexford, PA Post Count: 39 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 1:20:32 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Personally I think these ratings services aren't worth a dime and following them is an absolute waste of time and money. More often than not 5 star players turn out to be busts and 3 star players make a significant and positive impact on their team. Frankly I'd be more worried or concerned if these so-called ratings services had Ohio at the top of the MAC-were that the case there'd be nowhere for Ohio to go but down. This has been proven incorrect quite a few times now. If you look at the percentages of 5 star, 4 star, 3 star recruits who pan out and play well the higher star levels always win. There is just a whole lot more 3 stars than 4 and 5's so it seems like they all play above their rankings. But they don't and it is much better to have a bunch of studs. Ask Alabama. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 4:36:52 PM  Casper71 wrote: Here we go, the annual rant on those "worthless recruiting services" that mistreat Ohio and the MAC and the non power 5. Well, are some rankings to ponder: WMU has 15/26 recruits as 3-star. Toledo 10/22. Even Miami has 9/21. Then, UC has 17/21. Where is OHIO? 5/25. These are all per 247Sports. What does this mean? Just because a service ranks our class as something like 120 and shows only 5 3-star recruits, does that make it meaningless given the above rankings? And, lets get real and face it, this staff believes in recruiting primarily under the radar guys. They get a few diamonds but most are diamonds in the rough. To me, this is just the typical FS&Co recruiting class at OHIO. And, I need to add, the staff has been able to coach players up and at least make us respectable on the college football landscape. Given everything, I continue to believe this strategy, while it has been ok, is not one that will win a MACC. To repeat my refrain: we need MORE BETTER players if we want to win a MACC. I could be wrong but so far, that is not the case and we are over 10 years in. Time will tell... This is sound reasoning and, similar to most of the posts of those who hold a reasonable view of our program instead of holding the coaching staff in 100% reverence, it stands. No one has been able, or will be able, to present solid reasons why what's said in the above quote is not correct. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! 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Trotter and Fernandez both downgraded from .81 or so to .77 and .75 respectively. So now we only have three 3 star guys! I'm not sure if any others moved or not. That's the other problem that's not been discussed. The services are often basing their rating off what schools offer and what school a player signs with instead of actually trying to evaluate talent. A 3 star guy on Tuesday should be a 3 star guy on Wednesday whether he signs with Ohio State, Ohio University, or Ohio Dominican. I don't believe for a second that they watched tape on either of these kids and decided they deserved to be downgraded. It seems like they're doing this to manually adjust their overall class rankings. Back to Top ytownbobcat General User Member Since: 8/7/2006 Post Count: 1,253 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 8:06:21 PM  I am satisfied with this class. The two guys from Leavittsburg LaBrae are ballers. That school has a great history and their football program has a great tradition in the Youngstown/Warren area. They play a tough schedule and have produced a number of outstanding athletes in multiple sports over the years. I am hopeful that both can contribute early. Same hometown as our WR Brendan Cope but different H.S. On the negative side we need to get a QB in our system. Watching Frank in the press conference he knows it too. Easier said than done. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,447 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 8:43:23 PM  I am not going to pretend that I know anything about recruiting because I know less than zilch, nor do I really care. Well, I guess I care in that I'm interested, but that's about it. My point is, WMU is held as the gold standard for MAC recruiting. Why? Because some service says they continually recruit a lot of 3-4 star players. Yet, the real reality is that with all these classes WMU has finished as exactly as high in their respective division as Ohio has in its, second. I agree, they have demolished Ohio. OK. So? Who in the last 3 years hasn't demolished Ohio? (well, Miami, ha ha ha!) I don't equate defeating Ohio as the same as winning a MACC, which according to some, is the only thing that counts and is the only goal any coach should have. Let's let this play out. Maybe Ohio's class is good, maybe it's not, I don't know. Time will tell. But I could truly care less where some recruiting service has Ohio ranked among the MAC schools. And maybe WMU will win the MACC this year. But to date they've done no better within the MAC than Ohio has. Back to Top OhioBobcat General User Member Since: 1/20/2006 Post Count: 1,546 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/4/2016 11:59:28 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Casper71 wrote: Here we go, the annual rant on those "worthless recruiting services" that mistreat Ohio and the MAC and the non power 5. Well, are some rankings to ponder: WMU has 15/26 recruits as 3-star. Toledo 10/22. Even Miami has 9/21. Then, UC has 17/21. Where is OHIO? 5/25. These are all per 247Sports. What does this mean? Just because a service ranks our class as something like 120 and shows only 5 3-star recruits, does that make it meaningless given the above rankings? And, lets get real and face it, this staff believes in recruiting primarily under the radar guys. They get a few diamonds but most are diamonds in the rough. To me, this is just the typical FS&Co recruiting class at OHIO. And, I need to add, the staff has been able to coach players up and at least make us respectable on the college football landscape. Given everything, I continue to believe this strategy, while it has been ok, is not one that will win a MACC. To repeat my refrain: we need MORE BETTER players if we want to win a MACC. I could be wrong but so far, that is not the case and we are over 10 years in. Time will tell... For all of WMU's much ballyhooed recruiting classes, they have won as many MACC lately as Ohio has, zero. Color me not impressed. I'm telling you guys, next year in the MACC it's gonna be Ohio vs WMU. Mark my words. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,894 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/5/2016 12:05:08 PM  And, speaking for all the 71s, I hope you are right! I will be there. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,064 Status: Offline     RE: 2016 Ohio Football Commits    Posted: 2/5/2016 1:26:02 PM  OUs LONG Driver wrote: ...Now that I look back at 247sports I see some rankings have already changed. Trotter and Fernandez both downgraded from .81 or so to .77 and .75 respectively. So now we only have three 3 star guys! I'm not sure if any others moved or not. To help you understand what you are seeing, this is what happened. The 247Sports rating that you looked at is a composite number, made up of ratings from the four services, not a rating by 247Sports itself. Initially, the .818 rating that Fernandez had reflected his 3-star rating from Scout.com, which he still has. The initial .811 rating that Trotter had reflected his 3-star/5.5 rating from Rivals.com, which he also still has (well, sort of - since Rivals no longer covers MAC teams, there is no longer an Ohio page, so his rating went into limbo, and all Ohio players are now auto-rated down to 2 stars). 247Sports had not rated either player, and since it's just a MAC team, 247Sports apparently has no plans to ever rate them. They did, however, have a blank space for a rating to fill in, so they auto-filled it with a rating of "70", which means very-low 2-star, and is the lowest rating that they ever give anyone. It is the same thing they did for all unrated players for any MAC team. Once they averaged the 70 with the 3-star rating from somewhere else, they both ended up as low 2-star rated players, since the 70 overwhelmed the 3-star rating. OUs LONG Driver wrote: ... A 3 star guy on Tuesday should be a 3 star guy on Wednesday whether he signs with Ohio State, Ohio University, or Ohio Dominican. I don't believe for a second that they watched tape on either of these kids and decided they deserved to be downgraded. It seems like they're doing this to manually adjust their overall class rankings. Indeed, a 3-star player is a 3-star player. They didn't downgrade him directly, since they had never actually graded him before, but indirectly, they did. In essence their "we know nothing so he must be bad" rating now carries just as much weight in their system as the rating that was given to the player by someone who actually looked at him, and who thought he was pretty good. As iffy as the ratings by these services were in the first place, their quality drops each year, at least for the teams at the bottom. I can see a day coming in the not too distant future where they don't rate them at all. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Showing Replies:   101 - 125  of 132 Posts Jump to Page:   < Previous    1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football Recruiting' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 239 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 237 Guests 2 Registered Users:   GraffZ06, Ohio69 There are no other users looking at this page.

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