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Topic: RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Topic: RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

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ohio9704
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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 1/19/2015 12:17:57 PM

After bringing in a QB via transfer, I wonder if Maxwell offer/verbal is still there.

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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 1/19/2015 2:09:10 PM

With all the flipping that goes on this year, it's hard to know just where you stand until signing day. The one drawback to all the very early commits is that Ohio ends up losing a few. This year Ohio lost Davon Hamilton, but picked up McKnight in his place. Now they have lost Fair, but picked up Anderson to replace him. They also have lost Williams, and it would be great if they can land Christian in his place.

My guess on Maxwell is that he's solid. I think he'll be good, but I'm the wrong one to guess on that. For me QB is the hardest position to evaluate and guess whether a player in high school will be good in college.

Fortunately signing day is only a couple weeks away. I expect a few more changes between now and then, and a good class when it's all said and done, especially on the defensive side.

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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 1/19/2015 2:28:21 PM

The Fair decommit answers my question. We're back on 85, although I agree with Ted that we will probably lose 2-3 more by the time fall rolls around.

Imma go out on a limb and predict that the WR transfer from Minnesota winds up at QB, and the QB recruit from Missouri winds up at WR or TE :)

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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 1/19/2015 4:20:55 PM

L.C. wrote:

Since this will be such a small class, it's filling up pretty fast. Re-posting this table
By June Jul Aug Sept Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb
2005 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 20 6
2006 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 9 6
2007 0 0 0 1 1 1 4 5 9
2008 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 2 9
2009 0 0 0 2 0 3 2 3 11
2010 0 2 1 2 1 0 0 3 7
2011 2 2 3 0 0 0 0 4 5
2012 0 0 0 4 1 1 4 5 4
2013 1 10
2014 5 . 8 3
2015 6 6 1

It looks like the class could be mostly full by the end of July since the total class size will only be 12-14 players, most likely. That would be a first.

Edit - As of the end of July there are 12 recruits, of whom 11 are known. I would say that the class is mostly full at this point. No doubt the class will be slightly bigger than we can foresee because some players will leave the program, and because it's possible that some of these 12 will be non-qualifiers, but it's difficult to imagine this class being as big as 20. Therefore I'm not expecting a lot of additional recruits between now and February.

I think it has become obvious that early commits means nothing anymore. In the future, we will lose even more recruits to P5 conferences as the realities of the differences between them and us regarding full cost of attendance, guaranteed 4 year schollies, pay for family to attend games and who knows what else.

Last Edited: 1/19/2015 5:26:26 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 1/19/2015 4:45:47 PM

C Money wrote:

The Fair decommit answers my question. We're back on 85, although...

Not entirely, because removing Fair from your 18 gives you 17, and I still count 19 additions, so far, plus they are still recruiting Jeff Christian. I count:

QB - Maxwell, Krizancic
WR - Alders, Ball, Belack
OL - Anderson, Cooper, Pleasants

DL - McKnight, Colbert, Arp, Stevens-McKenzie
LB - Cloud, Glasco, Crouch
DB - Hagen, Howell, Wiliams
LS - Hale

colobobcat66 wrote:

I think it has become obvious that early commits mean nothing anymore....

The fact that P5 schools are trying to pouch our recruits is a positive sign, though, too. If Ohio wasn't signing good recruits in the first place, they wouldn't be interested.

Note: I said in that post you quoted that it was difficult imagining this class being as big as 20, but we're just about there.

Last Edited: 1/19/2015 5:34:19 PM by L.C.

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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 1/19/2015 4:59:48 PM

L.C. wrote:

Not entirely, because removing Fair from your 18 gives you 17, and I still count 19 additions, so far, plus they are still recruiting Jeff Christian.

Ted has Krizancic on his chart as here already, so he is in my count of 68 current players:
http://www.bobcatattack.com/football/recruiting.asp

And I had Hale as a walk-on. If he is a scholarship athlete, then I agree with your numbers.

Last Edited: 1/19/2015 5:00:19 PM by C Money

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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 1/19/2015 9:38:46 PM

This class is looking very good from two different perspectives. First, the quality is high. They have the highest ratings from recruiting services yet, and more competing offers than any prior recruiting class. Second, this class nails the positions of need. I was wanting at least two DTs, and some DBs, plus at least one QB. It has several DTs, all of who look outstanding. It has DBs, again, all of whom look outstanding. And, it has two QB's, including Krizancic, and I think both will be good.

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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 1/20/2015 8:47:34 AM

With the addition of Christian, I think this incoming group of defensive backs is the best class at a specific position grouping that we have ever had.

Jeff Christian
Maxwell Howell
Javon Hagan
Mayne Williams

3 of the 4 have P5 offers.

Beyond just the offers on paper, this group fills a big need. We are graduating two starters at safety AND all of our proven corners are Seniors. If this group is as good as they appear to be, they can play early. They certainly have the size and speed to scare opposing offenses.

EDIT:
Just looked closer... Combined, these four sported offers from the B1G, SEC, PAC-12, AAC, ACC, Mountain West, Sun Belt. Only conference I did not see offers from was the Big 12, although Howell's rival shows interest from a number of Big 12 programs.

Last Edited: 1/20/2015 8:49:45 AM by The Optimist

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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 1/20/2015 5:49:27 PM

If you don't count Krizancic, since he's actually a transfer, not a recruit, I'm at 19 now:
QB - Maxwell
WR - Alders, Ball, Belack
OL - Anderson, Cooper, Pleasants

DL - McKnight, Colbert, Arp, Stevens-McKenzie
LB - Cloud, Glasco, Crouch
DB - Hagen, Howell, Wiliams, Christian
LS - Hale

Today's tweet from Michael George shows 19 faces, so I think we're up to date.

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It Is Not Where You Start, But, Where You Finish

Posted: 1/24/2015 8:38:57 PM

Some saw ratings on these recruits at the time they were recruited and Poo Pooed these athletes. Now that the wonderful recruiting services have caught up to where the coaches were months ago I hope we can acknowledge that the Bobcat coaches are the pros over the services.

Last Edited: 1/24/2015 8:41:18 PM by Bcat2

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RE: It Is Not Where You Start, But, Where You Finish

Posted: 1/26/2015 12:55:56 PM

In the last few days of recruiting, some new names pop up with offers that have no other offers, and are unrated. These often end up being the best players in the class because these are the guys that that everyone missed. Examples would be Travis Carrie and Lavon Brazill. As full as this class is, I was thinking we wouldn't have any late surprises this year.

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RE: It Is Not Where You Start, But, Where You Finish

Posted: 1/26/2015 10:08:01 PM

I never thought this class would get to 20, but here we are, apparently with 21 verbals. I love the last two additions, even with no other offers, and no stars. Those two are players.

Now I wonder how the pieces fit to get to 21.

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RE: It Is Not Where You Start, But, Where You Finish

Posted: 1/26/2015 10:39:36 PM

L.C. wrote:

Well, if people won't stop being dumbasses at courtside pizza, scholarships will open in no time.

Last Edited: 1/26/2015 10:39:59 PM by Deciduous Forest Cat

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RE: It Is Not Where You Start, But, Where You Finish

Posted: 1/27/2015 9:53:00 AM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

L.C. wrote:

Well, if people won't stop being dumbasses at courtside pizza, scholarships will open in no time.

With this being Poling's first offense (that I am aware of) I doubt he gets the boot.

But I get your point...

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: It Is Not Where You Start, But, Where You Finish

Posted: 1/28/2015 11:04:21 PM

Well, now we're apparently sitting at 20 Freshmen, 2 Jucos, and a transfer. That leaves many mysteries:
1. How many of those are Scholarships, and how many are grayshirts or preferred walkons
2. How many are non-qualifiers?
3. Why does the latest tweet from Michael George show 19?
4. Who is leaving?

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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 1/29/2015 10:15:23 PM

Updating an earlier post....

For those interested in a more comprehensive summary of recruiting rankings...

U = Completely unknown to the service
NR - Known but not ranked

---------------------------------------STARS/RATING
Commits-------------------Scout----ESPN--247Sports----Rivals
Jake Hale---------------------2-------2-68-----NR-----------U
Clayton Glasco--------------3-------3-73-----NR-----------U
London Cloud----------------3-------2-69-----NR---------2-5.4
Brian Arp---------------------2--------NR------NR---------2-5.3
Austen Pleasants-----------2--------NR-----2-79--------2-5.3
Najee Stevens Mackenzie--3--------NR------3-81---------2-5.3
Kyle Belack-------------------2--------NR-----2-74--------2-5.2
Mayne Williams---------------3-------3-71-----NR---------2-5.2
Quinton Maxwell-------------2--------U-------NR-----------U
Javon Hagan------------------2-------3-73-----NR---------2-5.4
Maxell Howell-----------------3-------3-73----2-72--------2-5.4
Elijah Ball---------------------3--------NR-----3-81---------3-5.6
Evan Croutch-----------------U--------U-------NR-----------U
Sam Mcknight-----------------U--------NR------3-84-------NR
Alex Alders-------------------3---------U--------U----------2-5.3
Josh Cooper-----------------NR--------U--------U-----------U
Joe Anderson----------------NR--------NR------U-----------U
Jeff Christian-----------------3-------3-77----3-84-------3-5.6
Marques Grimes--------------2--------NR------U-----------U
Matthew Seymour------------2--------NR------U-----------U
Demetrius Colbert------------3-------3-73----2-78--------U
Louie Zervos-----------------2-------3-75----2-75-------2-5.3

Other notes:
Scout assigns almost everyone in their service 2 stars even if they haven't viewed them, if they have a national ranking they have actually been reviewed, if not they have not been reviewed. Appears JUCO players that are known aren't just assigned 2 stars and remain unranked.

ESPN Starts 3 star ranking at 70.

247Sports starts 3 star ranking at 80.

Rivals Starts 3 star ranking at 5.5

As you can see we have 12 of 22 commits with a 3 star rating from at least one of the services.

Of the 10 guys without 3 star ratings, 6 of them are completely off the radar without any real rankings (not counting Scout 2 Star), one is a tick below 3 star on ESPN, 1 is a Long Snapper, 1 is from lightly recruited Nebraska, and the other is a WR that was committed to Marshall and is already enrolled.

As L.C. has pointed out elsewhere often our best players come from this group of unknowns. A good example of this would have been Sam McKnight but he just got reviewed by 247sports and is now tied for the highest rating in the entire class. If some of these other guys were reviewed I bet most of them would garner a 3 star rating from at least one service.

Last Edited: 1/29/2015 10:20:19 PM by OUs LONG Driver

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RE: It Is Not Where You Start, But, Where You Finish

Posted: 1/30/2015 10:04:25 AM

L.C. wrote:

Any guesses to the answers? I think based on the recruiting chart, we'd be over by five scholarships.

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RE: It Is Not Where You Start, But, Where You Finish

Posted: 1/31/2015 3:55:32 PM

L.C. wrote:

With the addition of Keith Key, we now show 21 Freshmen, 2 JUCOs and a transfer. The latest tweet from Michael George shows 20 faces. Maybe he doesn't count the JUCOs? In that case we are only over by 1 from his count. That still doesn't explain how you get to 85, though.

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RE: It Is Not Where You Start, But, Where You Finish

Posted: 1/31/2015 4:31:13 PM

L.C.,

My theory is he doesn't count the early enrollees. They are technically part of the 2014 class. I have no idea though, but the math works.

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RE: It Is Not Where You Start, But, Where You Finish

Posted: 1/31/2015 7:10:27 PM

Cooper, Anderson, Howell, and Belack are enrolled, and if you exclude them it would take you down to only 19.

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RE: It Is Not Where You Start, But, Where You Finish

Posted: 1/31/2015 10:01:13 PM

Sign them all, let God sort them out.

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RE: It Is Not Where You Start, But, Where You Finish

Posted: 2/3/2015 6:11:13 PM

Another reason that Ohio's recruiting has improved so much the last several years may be related to the fact that Ohio is spending more money recruiting than they used to.
http://tinyurl.com/m5gdx2s

They have increased recruiting expenses by 55% since 2009, and now spend more than any other MAC team, at $264,928. Of course, I can think of a couple reasons why expenses might be on the high side in recent years. One is the non-urban location may mean higher travel costs. Another is the trips to/from British Columbia the last couple years.

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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 2/4/2015 10:20:04 AM

Ted Thompson wrote:

Offense
Quinton Maxwell - QB Richmond HS, Missouri (SIGNEE) Joe Anderson - OL El Camino Community College (COMMITTED) Joshua Cooper - OL Mississippi Delta Community College (SIGNEE) Marques Grimes - OL Southfield HS, Michigan (SIGNEE) Austen Pleasants - OL Coal Grove HS, Ohio (COMMITTED) Keith Key - TE Columbus Bishop Hartley HS, Ohio (COMMITTED) Alex Alders - WR Nordonia HS, Ohio (COMMITTED) Elijah Ball - WR Cincinnati Princeton HS, Ohio (SIGNEE) Kyle Belack - WR Myrtle Beach HS, South Carolina (SIGNEE) Matthew Seymour - WR New Westminster Secondary School, British Columbia (COMMITTED)
Defense
Brian Arp - DT Kearney HS, Nebraska (COMMITTED) Sam McKnight - DT Cleveland Glenville HS, Ohio (COMMITTED) Najee Stevens-McKenzie - DE Bedford HS, Ohio (COMMITTED) London Cloud - ILB Bedford HS, Ohio (COMMITTED) Demetrius Colbert - LB/DT Cincinnati Colerain HS, Ohio (SIGNEE) Evan Croutch - ILB Youngstown Boardman HS, Ohio (SIGNEE) Clayton Glasco - OLB Pickerington Central HS, Ohio (COMMITTED) Jeff Christian - CB Cincinnati Colerain HS, Ohio (SIGNEE) Maxwell Howell - CB Palm Beach Lakes HS, Florida (SIGNEE) Javon Hagan - S Jacksonville Trinity Christian Academy, Florida (COMMITTED) Mayne Williams - S Cincinnati Colerain HS, Ohio (SIGNEE)
Special Teams
Jake Hale - LS Olentangy Liberty HS, Ohio (SIGNEE) Louie Zervos - K Tarpon Springs HS, Florida (COMMITTED)

Add in Deontai Williams and the Luehrmans and Ohio has 26 players we're expecting. Which ones won't actually sign?

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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 2/4/2015 2:00:34 PM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

Ted Thompson wrote:

Add in Deontai Williams and the Luehrmans and Ohio has 26 players we're expecting. Which ones won't actually sign?

The Luehrmans' are being recruited as greyshirts so they don't count towards this class.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: 2015 Ohio Football Commits

Posted: 2/4/2015 2:46:23 PM

The Optimist wrote:

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

Ted Thompson wrote:

Add in Deontai Williams and the Luehrmans and Ohio has 26 players we're expecting. Which ones won't actually sign?

The Luehrmans' are being recruited as greyshirts so they don't count towards this class.

Right, but that's still way more scholarships than we seem to have available. There's still a few guys not listed; hopefully that gets done. I also wonder if there might be a few more grayshirts, perhaps the kicker.

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