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Monroe Slavin
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   Posted: 8/27/2013 9:26:20 PM 
Those followers of sport who stated that being on TV could be a good idea despite the attendant inconvenience of weekday night games may have been somewhat correct after all.

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   Posted: 8/28/2013 11:49:15 AM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
Arkley's article today mentions that Solich says Ohio has 15 verbals....

From Solich's Weekly press conference:
Solich wrote:
..This freshman class that is on our team right now is the best class that we have recruited since we have been here. We have 16 commitments in this recruiting class and that will be a great class. And so we are continuing to make strides. And we are going to continue this program forward.

Then there were 16....

I know that there were some here that didn't think last year's class was that good, but on paper it appeared to me to be one of the best yet, if not the best. Add in that this year also has an outstanding group of preferred walkons, and it almost certainly will end up being the best class yet, though 2014 may end up even better. The difference is that the last two years they filled most of the class from their first choices, from the initial offers they sent out, and didn't have to go searching for hidden gems. They have found a lot of hidden gems over the years, but there have also been some that didn't work out.

Another sign that it was a very good class is the number of them that are likely to play this year. Both Juco players, Tautauki and McLeod will play significant roles. At least 4 true freshment will play, Morgan, Mangen, Basham, and Sebastian Smith.  Sayles probably will, too. Aloese is possible. Other possibles seem to me to be Justin Wyatt, Cedric Brown, Jerrid Marhefka, Dyquan Stewart, Dorian Brown and Tony Porter, depending on injuries and needs. In the past it has normally been 1-3 true freshmen that played. The last time I remember this many playing was back in 2005, and in that class it was for a very different reason, a lack of depth above them.

Last Edited: 8/28/2013 12:04:54 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 8/28/2013 12:30:16 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
Arkley's article today mentions that Solich says Ohio has 15 verbals....

From Solich's Weekly press conference:
Solich wrote:
..This freshman class that is on our team right now is the best class that we have recruited since we have been here. We have 16 commitments in this recruiting class and that will be a great class. And so we are continuing to make strides. And we are going to continue this program forward.

Then there were 16....

I know that there were some here that didn't think last year's class was that good, but on paper it appeared to me to be one of the best yet, if not the best. Add in that this year also has an outstanding group of preferred walkons, and it almost certainly will end up being the best class yet, though 2014 may end up even better. The difference is that the last two years they filled most of the class from their first choices, from the initial offers they sent out, and didn't have to go searching for hidden gems. They have found a lot of hidden gems over the years, but there have also been some that didn't work out.

Another sign that it was a very good class is the number of them that are likely to play this year. Both Juco players, Tautauki and McLeod will play significant roles. At least 4 true freshment will play, Morgan, Mangen, Basham, and Sebastian Smith. Sayles probably will, too. Aloese is possible. Other possibles seem to me to be Justin Wyatt, Cedric Brown, Jerrid Marhefka, Dyquan Stewart, Dorian Brown and Tony Porter, depending on injuries and needs. In the past it has normally been 1-3 true freshmen that played. The last time I remember this many playing was back in 2005, and in that class it was for a very different reason, a lack of depth above them.
I trust Frank to be truthful about the quality of last years class, I don't think he blows too much smoke about such things. The difference this year than most is that our tight end and defensive line positions were decimated by losses. There are simply not many underclassmen there to take over. So out of necessity, incoming players are being asked to step up. That's fairly rare here. I'm just not sure that they will be battle ready, in fact I'm guessing they won't be. Of course, they're the best we have, and I hope they can jump right in and hold their own, but not likely.
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   Posted: 8/28/2013 1:07:37 PM 
I agree with you regarding Mangen and Morgan - they are being called into action primarily because of a lack of depth at that position. Ideally it would have been Tanner and Davon Henry playing, instead, and they could have redshirted. Lack of depth was the reason so many Freshmen played in 2005, but that year it was an across the board problem.  Really though, Mangen and Morgan are the only ones on my list being called into action because of depth issues - the others are just very good players, it seems.

Here's a list of true Freshmen that have played in the Solich era. Some were played due to the lack of depth, especially in the early years, but most of these were just really good players, and I note that except for Eric Herman, it includes most of the players that have been drafted, or gone on to play professionally.

2005 (10) - Stuck, Brandon Jones, Jayson White, Brandon Peterson, Mark Parson, Michael Mitchell, Jordon Meyers, Hartke, Eric Kenkle, Josh Leuck
2006 - (5) Christopher Garrett, Taylor Price, Steven Jackson, Ernie Hodge, Kris Luchsinger
2007 - (5) Vince Davidson, LaVon Brazill, Noah Keller, Curt Meyers, Matt Donahue
2008 - (2) Travis Carrie, Brandon Weaver
2009 - (6) Skyler Allen, James Davis, Tyler Tettleton, Gary Fortune, Jelani Woseley, Carl Jones
2010 - (1) Mark Smith
2011 - (5) Lorenzo Fisher, Ian Wells, Crutcher, Tony Davis, Landon Smith
2012 - (2) Daz Patterson, Blake Scipio

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   Posted: 8/28/2013 3:48:03 PM 
L.C. wrote:

Here's a list of true Freshmen that have played in the Solich era. Some were played due to the lack of depth, especially in the early years, but most of these were just really good players, and I note that except for Eric Herman, it includes most of the players that have been drafted, or gone on to play professionally.

2005 (10) - Stuck, Brandon Jones, Jayson White, Brandon Peterson, Mark Parson, Michael Mitchell, Jordon Meyers, Hartke, Eric Kenkle, Josh Leuck
2006 - (5) Christopher Garrett, Taylor Price, Steven Jackson, Ernie Hodge, Kris Luchsinger
2007 - (5) Vince Davidson, LaVon Brazill, Noah Keller, Curt Meyers, Matt Donahue
2008 - (2) Travis Carrie, Brandon Weaver
2009 - (6) Skyler Allen, James Davis, Tyler Tettleton, Gary Fortune, Jelani Woseley, Carl Jones
2010 - (1) Mark Smith
2011 - (5) Lorenzo Fisher, Ian Wells, Crutcher, Tony Davis, Landon Smith
2012 - (2) Daz Patterson, Blake Scipio



That's interesting to see how few freshman have played recently. Some of the guys ended up taking redshirts their sophomore years instead because the depth was better: Tettleton,Carrie and Mark Smith. There could be others. A few others ended up with redshirts because of injuries. In some cases, guys had to lose their redshirts after they became needed due to injuries.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2014 Football Commits
   Posted: 9/3/2013 11:55:33 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
Arkley's article today mentions that Solich says Ohio has 15 verbals. He also writes that Ohio hopes to sign Chris Murray and Trae Clark (original members of the 2012 class who went the JUCO route).

Could we be trying to make this more difficult than it needs to be? Maybe Murray and Clark are recruits 14 and 15?

The last number from Solich was 16 verbals. With Murray now listed as a verbal by ESPN, there are 2 unknowns. Could they be Clark and Roger Lewis?

Edit - from the Roger Lewis thread, it doesn't sound like Ohio is on the radar anymore.

Last Edited: 9/3/2013 3:29:46 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 9/3/2013 4:38:06 PM 
Ohio is still on Roger's list...Coach Albin stuck with him and stayed in touch. 9 catches for 200 yards for Jireh Prep Vs Fork Union Post Grad in 1st game in 2 years. If we get him and Murray together oh my.
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   Posted: 9/16/2013 7:27:05 PM 
This may have been stated elsewhere, but someone told me that at least 3-4 of our commits from the state of Ohio are considered very good prospects.  Shaping up to be a very fine class.

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   Posted: 9/18/2013 5:10:57 PM 
I think all the recruits thus far are very good prospects. Think of the cycle this way. Each year the coaches look at a lot of film of a lot of players. They pick the ones they want the most that they think they might have a shot at, and make offers to those kids. Some of those accept, others choose to go elsewhere. If too many of those accept, they start withdrawing offers. If not enough do, they make additional offers.

In the not-too-distant past, they had only a few of the initial offers accept, meaning that come December/January the coaches ended up making a lot more offers. Those offers went to players that they initially had chosen not to offer, or to players that either hadn't played their Junior year, or who substantially improved their Junior year. These so-called under the radar guys sometimes worked out, sometimes not.

Last year and this year they have gotten a much higher acceptance rate from the people they initially offered. Since these players were the coaches first choices, how can that not be a good thing? I am very excited about what I see as a substantial improvement in recruiting quality in the last few years. We are already seeing a remarkable number of players from those classes starting and/or playing significant roles this year. The future looks very bright.

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   Posted: 10/23/2013 10:58:44 AM 
Web article from The Post on the verbals we have so far.  Looks like it is shaping up nicely, hopefully all our top recruits stay with us and maybe we get to pick up a few late in the process that don't get the big time offers they were waiting for.
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   Posted: 12/9/2013 4:04:07 PM 
Looks like a RB from Canada, Maleek Irons, was in over the weekend and gave a verbal, according to some of the players twitter pages.  

I'm not seeing him on the normal sites, but I'm not sure if they evaluate non-US prospects.  Here's a British Columbia site that had some articles I searched:


Here's one article about a game in October where he had 462 yards on 15 carries.


From over the summer, http://www.northwestprepreport.com/maleek-irons-proves-big-talent-in-canada-for-real

EDIT: One more link, #1 prospect in CA on this site: http://topprospects.ca/
 

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   Posted: 12/9/2013 4:24:37 PM 
Nice find, TRMD.

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   Posted: 12/9/2013 9:52:50 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Now the class size has grown from my initial expectations, and will be more like 20-22. With 8 recruits in, its looking good.
QB - I wanted 2 QBs, there is 1. I'd like to see another, but it isn't as critical.
RB - I wanted 1, but with the departure of Hammonds, I now want 2.
TE - With departures, one would be nice, and there is 1.
OL - Pipeline is deep, but its always good to have 2-3 a year. There are 2.
WR - I wanted 2, and we have one. A return of Murray would be the other.
Offense is looking good, but I still want speed guys - a WR, 2 RB, and another QB. Of these the only position that I think is absolutely critical is running back.

DT - Even though there were a lot last year, its always good to get one. A return of Clark would be one.
DE - Same as DT - its always good to get one, and there are 2 already.
MLB - Would be good to have one
OLB - I wanted 2, and there is one so far, and a very good one at that.
DB - I was looking for 4, probably 3 corners and a safety. There is one corner so far, and another than might end up at CB or Safety.
Defense is also doing very well, but could still use more speed guys. I do want a DT, and a MLB, but I'd also like to see another OLB and a couple more DBs. None of these are essential, however.

I never expect the end results to match exactly what I think the need is, but this class is sure shaping up nicely. At this point the only position where there is an absolute need that must be met is Running back. I like both Daz and Dorian Brown, but sometimes running backs get hurt. You really need to have at least 4 of them. The way this class has been coming in, though, I'm thinking that a quality RB or two will look at this class and say "I want to be a part of that".

QB - Duckworth - looks great, but another would be nice
RB - Walker and Irons - Amazing
TE - Kuhar and Brown - Great
OL - Pruehs, Dudziak, Lowery, Langenkamp - great
WR - Murray, Meyer - add Roger Lewis and it becomes amazing

DE - Berger - All State
DT - Maybe Clark?
LB - Brumfield, Dicillo - great
CB - Fox, Brunson - look very good, but I'd like 1-2 more DBs
S - none

Offense I could hardly ask for more, but what the heck, let's add Roger Lewis to this outstanding group

Defense - Still has room for a few more players. Let's get a few 3-stars for Casper.

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   Posted: 12/9/2013 10:49:50 PM 
462 yards on 15 carries?.... That's an average of over 30 a carry. damn
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   Posted: 12/9/2013 11:42:27 PM 
L.C. wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Now the class size has grown from my initial expectations, and will be more like 20-22. With 8 recruits in, its looking good.
QB - I wanted 2 QBs, there is 1. I'd like to see another, but it isn't as critical.
RB - I wanted 1, but with the departure of Hammonds, I now want 2.
TE - With departures, one would be nice, and there is 1.
OL - Pipeline is deep, but its always good to have 2-3 a year. There are 2.
WR - I wanted 2, and we have one. A return of Murray would be the other.
Offense is looking good, but I still want speed guys - a WR, 2 RB, and another QB. Of these the only position that I think is absolutely critical is running back.

DT - Even though there were a lot last year, its always good to get one. A return of Clark would be one.
DE - Same as DT - its always good to get one, and there are 2 already.
MLB - Would be good to have one
OLB - I wanted 2, and there is one so far, and a very good one at that.
DB - I was looking for 4, probably 3 corners and a safety. There is one corner so far, and another than might end up at CB or Safety.
Defense is also doing very well, but could still use more speed guys. I do want a DT, and a MLB, but I'd also like to see another OLB and a couple more DBs. None of these are essential, however.

I never expect the end results to match exactly what I think the need is, but this class is sure shaping up nicely. At this point the only position where there is an absolute need that must be met is Running back. I like both Daz and Dorian Brown, but sometimes running backs get hurt. You really need to have at least 4 of them. The way this class has been coming in, though, I'm thinking that a quality RB or two will look at this class and say "I want to be a part of that".

QB - Duckworth - looks great, but another would be nice
RB - Walker and Irons - Amazing
TE - Kuhar and Brown - Great
OL - Pruehs, Dudziak, Lowery, Langenkamp - great
WR - Murray, Meyer - add Roger Lewis and it becomes amazing

DE - Berger - All State
DT - Maybe Clark?
LB - Brumfield, Dicillo - great
CB - Fox, Brunson - look very good, but I'd like 1-2 more DBs
S - none

Offense I could hardly ask for more, but what the heck, let's add Roger Lewis to this outstanding group

Defense - Still has room for a few more players. Let's get a few 3-stars for Casper.



Not likely to happen...but if we get Lewis & Clark....!!

 

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   Posted: 12/10/2013 12:26:42 PM 
L.C. knows how much I covet those 3-star guys so let's bring 'em in.  He also knows I think the new Candian running back looks like a faster Kalvin McRae
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   Posted: 12/10/2013 3:23:42 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
L.C. knows how much I covet those 3-star guys so let's bring 'em in.  He also knows I think the new Candian running back looks like a faster Kalvin McRae

He is faster, too. He was lasar timed at 4.49, and I think for Pro Day Kalvin ran a 4.65. Kalvin was "fast enough" because he used his speed well. Walker is reported to be 4.52, so he has some speed, too.

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   Posted: 12/13/2013 11:04:32 AM 
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE DEFENSIVE LINE.

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   Posted: 12/17/2013 5:44:38 PM 
Kind of surprised we don't have any Nebraska or Oklahoma verbals yet.  Or is it typical we get those guys after their local Big 12 schools are guaranteed to pass on them?
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   Posted: 12/17/2013 8:58:36 PM 

Ohio had a long list of Nebraska players they were watching, but only made 5 offers to Nebraska players. Foster, Gifford, and Stoltenberg all got offers from Nebraska, too, and accepted there. Phillips ended up choosing Stanford. The only other Nebraska offer Ted shows was to Kenzo Cotton, who also shows offers from Kansas State and Wisconsin. The story for Oklahoma is similar. Only three offers were made. Oliver chose NTSU, Oliver chose UTSA, and Bowling chose Tulsa.

The state that surprises me is Pennsylvania. That's been a huge source of players in recent years, with guys like Troy Hill, Lewis, Harden, and Huynh. They only made 6 offers to the state, and have come up empty so far:
Terry Swanson - RB Accepted Toledo
Ronald Brown - RB - has Ga. State, Kent St, ODU, Temple, Toledo, UCF offers
Greg White - RB UMass, ODU, Temple offers
Coyle-Nicolas - TE - Accepted Harvard
Butts TE - Accepted Virginia
Fields DT - Accepted West Virginia

Georgia is another state that has been strong of late where Ohio has come up empty this year.
Rodney Smith RB - offers from ECU, S. Alabama, Minnesota, S. Miss
Josh Boyd RB - Accepted Appalachian State
Corey Keel WR - Accepted Indiana
Werts TE - Accepted Ga State
Harris OT - Accepted Duke
Tucker S - Accepted Stanford
Franklin Athlete - Accepted Stanford

In almost all of these cases Ohio lost the players for one of three reasons. Most were lost to a home state school, or at least one that is closer. Some were also lost to various BCS schools. One was also lost to a highly regarded academic institutions, i.e. Harvard (of the Charles). Only one was lost to a non-BCS school that wasn't significantly closer, Swanson of PA that chose Toledo.

Thus, Ohio may come up empty from all these states, but given the exceptional success in Ohio itself, that isn't all bad. Of course, at this time Ohio scours these states again, and uses contacts with the high school coaches in those areas to find players that were special cases, such as late bloomers, players that changed positions and excelled in their new positions, or players who were hurt last year, and had a great Senior season. Thus, we might yet get some surprises from one or more of these states.

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   Posted: 12/28/2013 5:43:36 PM 
OT McCray and K Royster take us to 20 commits if my math is right, and it isn't even January. With only 19 graduating seniors, I gotta think we will pull just 3 or 4 more before the class is complete.
 
Need to go big on those last few.
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   Posted: 12/29/2013 9:33:40 AM 
Well, there are 19 graduating Seniors, but Ted's list shows only 82 on scholarship, so there are perhaps 22 openings. In most years a couple players leave the program for various reasons, such an injuries.Thus we might see a class as big as 24-25. Of course, some of those might go to walkons (I'm thinking Yaz, for sure), so it might be a bit less. On a position basis, places that would be good for more additions would be QB, CB, and LB, but really, this class is very good, so at this point taking the best available players regardless of position makes a lot of sense.

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   Posted: 12/29/2013 9:45:53 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Of course, some of those might go to walkons (I'm thinking Yaz, for sure), so it might be a bit less.


I'm thinking Yaz, Sprague, maaaaaybe Windham if he comes back to the team.
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   Posted: 12/29/2013 2:01:01 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Well, there are 19 graduating Seniors, but Ted's list shows only 82 on scholarship, so there are perhaps 22 openings. In most years a couple players leave the program for various reasons, such an injuries.Thus we might see a class as big as 24-25. Of course, some of those might go to walkons (I'm thinking Yaz, for sure), so it might be a bit less. On a position basis, places that would be good for more additions would be QB, CB, and LB, but really, this class is very good, so at this point taking the best available players regardless of position makes a lot of sense.

The class has numerous wide receivers that have played DB in hs and a couple of guys listed on Doc's defensive side that have played RB.  

How many recruits in the past have contributed significantly at a position other than what a fan board thought they were recruited for?  If there is a trend to utilizing a larger RB, the two recruits on defense might fit the bill quite well.  One of the wideouts at 4.4 speed and 6'1" may look really good as a shut down corner.

Others say that the DL is the most important positions on defense--my thoughts are simplistic--you give me two corners like MSU showed against O$U and two receivers are simply eliminated in aiding their offense and coverage sacks sky rocket.

 
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   Posted: 1/3/2014 11:31:26 AM 
Seems to me that we are short on fast athletes this year. A punter and a kicker in a classs is new for us.
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