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mid70sbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: athleticsdir@ohio.edu
   Posted: 11/27/2021 11:33:48 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Felix wrote:
You can find an interview with Julie Cromer on YouTube where she talks about evidence-based decision making and mentions the importance of transparency in communication. What evidence is she seeing? She admits that you can make the numbers support anything! How long before there's some transparent communication to the public?

Surely some conditions for a second year could have been laid out in the contract! Thanks to Cromer the decline is certain.


The words "snookered" and "schooled" come to mind when describing what happened to the A.D.with Albin.


You and Felix seem to have no clue. I mean WHY would she come out and publicly state disappointment with the season? Why? To run salt into the wound. WE lost 4 games by 13 points. So 7 weeks before Syracuse opener WHO would you have hired for head coach? Oh, and what about the hiring of staff? Any changes in offense/defense? How would the players have adapted on such short notice? With a 1-11 season?
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  Message Not Read  RE: athleticsdir@ohio.edu
   Posted: 11/27/2021 11:35:22 PM 
Felix wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:

The words "snookered" and "schooled" come to mind when describing what happened to the A.D.with Albin.



Why?

She gave two years, negotiating without any leverage, at a time where she couldn't conduct a legitimate search. What outcome were you hoping for?


No leverage! Where else would Albin be going in July, besides the unemployment line? The AD has poor instincts!


And you have even worse instincts. Please THINK before you post.

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  Message Not Read  RE: athleticsdir@ohio.edu
   Posted: 11/27/2021 11:42:13 PM 
Felix wrote:
If Albin indeed rejected an interim appointment, she should have called his bluff. Other institutions find interim coaches! I suppose she just wasn't up to the task. Was she not aware of the downward trajection of the program in recent years?


Dude, quit digging a hole even deeper.

Downward trajectory in recent years???

2015 Ohio 8–5 5–3 T–2nd (East) L Camellia
2016 Ohio 8–6 6–2 T–1st (East) L Dollar General
2017 Ohio 9–4 5–3 2nd (East) W Bahamas
2018 Ohio 9–4 6–2 T–2nd (East) W Frisco
2019 Ohio 7–6 5–3 T–2nd (East) W Famous Idaho Potato

5 years, 5 winning seasons, 5 bowl games, 5 years of finishing 1st or 2nd in MAC East. Winning close to 70 percent of our MAC games is a downward trajectory?
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  Message Not Read  RE: athleticsdir@ohio.edu
   Posted: 11/27/2021 11:48:35 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
Julie: "Tim, we can offer you $450,000 on a 1 year deal as the Interim Coach as we see where this thing is headed."

Tim: "Absolutely not. I will not do this for less than 4 years."

Julie: "This conversation is over"

Julie proceeds to pick up the phone and dial one of 450,000 phone numbers of people that would be willing to lead an FBS program for 1 year of transition while she has perfect cover (excuse) that Frank left her no time to formulate a real gameplan. Instead she did the ONE thing she should never have done and gave Albin a long term deal.

This whole thing is an embarrassing joke. No matter how I try and give her the benefit of the doubt, she got hoodwinked. This is not the same program that Frank relinquished 4 months ago - it's gone straight down the toilet in every way possible.

Call Mullen. Raise the money. Fix it.



Unfortunately your quotes are not factual. Go try to break 80.
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   Posted: 11/28/2021 12:14:03 PM 
Maybe put it on a billboard.
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  Message Not Read  RE: athleticsdir@ohio.edu
   Posted: 11/28/2021 12:37:59 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
Instead she did the ONE thing she should never have done and gave Albin a long term deal.



She gave a "long-term deal" that can be opted out of without financial penalty after after the second season. That's a long-term deal in name only, and was essentially a PR gift to the current staff. They get to recruit and move forward while plausibly saying the AD is committed to them.

But in reality, Cromer negotiated the shortest possible nom- interim deal possible.

That's what I don't get about the criticisms of her on this. Barring an interim deal, which there are good reasons to think would have been very hard to get signed, she ended up with a deal that's as good as can be expected.

I struggle to see the leap from that to her getting schooled.
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   Posted: 11/28/2021 2:24:59 PM 
This whole situation was screaming “interim” last summer when Frank dropped the bomb. I get the whole staff loyalty thing but Albin stayed in Athens for all those years with Frank for a reason. He wasn’t in demand anywhere else. Most assistants that stay at one program that long, especially a program of the Little Sisters of the Poor stature tells you something. Albin wasn’t Penske material.
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   Posted: 11/29/2021 7:48:23 AM 
For some reason, which completely escapes me, a number of posters on this board think that Albin’s contract is “long-term”. The contract, although for a four-year term, only commits the university financially to Albin for TWO YEARS! And if you take five seconds to think about it, that’s the only aspect of the contract’s term that truly matters. Please get that through your heads.

I’ve always thought the AD was really behind the 8-ball when Solich announced his retirement just two months before the season began. That left no time to do anything but stay with the current staff at the time. Now, did Solich plan the timing of his announcement to have that result? Did the AD know in advance Solich would leave? Were conversations about a succession plan taking place well in advance of Solich’s announcement? All questions I don’t know the answers to.

This was a very-less-than-ideal situation that was created last summer for the AD to handle. She handled it as best anyone could. She respected an OU coaching legend’s desire to reward a long-time, loyal assistant (I’m confident that Solich wanted to have such loyalty rewarded), while doing so on a SHORT-TERM, two-year basis. This created the least amount of instability, while also creating a path to pivot in a different direction reasonably soon if needed.

If you think the team’s performance was bad this season, imagine what it would have looked like with a new interim head coach and a staff full of previous-coach assistants. The team’s record likely would have been worse. And the recruiting class of 2022 would have been completely abandoned. What high school kid would have been interested in listening to what an interim coach had to say? The answer is none, which honestly is probably only slightly worse than what the current situation is.

No other VIABLE alternatives to what the AD did have been presented in this thread, IMHO. And no, the AD doesn’t know me from Adam.
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  Message Not Read  RE: athleticsdir@ohio.edu
   Posted: 11/29/2021 8:09:36 AM 
BobcatPride wrote:
For some reason, which completely escapes me, a number of posters on this board think that Albin’s contract is “long-term”. The contract, although for a four-year term, only commits the university financially to Albin for TWO YEARS! And if you take five seconds to think about it, that’s the only aspect of the contract’s term that truly matters. Please get that through your heads.

I’ve always thought the AD was really behind the 8-ball when Solich announced his retirement just two months before the season began. That left no time to do anything but stay with the current staff at the time. Now, did Solich plan the timing of his announcement to have that result? Did the AD know in advance Solich would leave? Were conversations about a succession plan taking place well in advance of Solich’s announcement? All questions I don’t know the answers to.

This was a very-less-than-ideal situation that was created last summer for the AD to handle. She handled it as best anyone could. She respected an OU coaching legend’s desire to reward a long-time, loyal assistant (I’m confident that Solich wanted to have such loyalty rewarded), while doing so on a SHORT-TERM, two-year basis. This created the least amount of instability, while also creating a path to pivot in a different direction reasonably soon if needed.

If you think the team’s performance was bad this season, imagine what it would have looked like with a new interim head coach and a staff full of previous-coach assistants. The team’s record likely would have been worse. And the recruiting class of 2022 would have been completely abandoned. What high school kid would have been interested in listening to what an interim coach had to say? The answer is none, which honestly is probably only slightly worse than what the current situation is.

No other VIABLE alternatives to what the AD did have been presented in this thread, IMHO. And no, the AD doesn’t know me from Adam.


How about this for a viable alternative:

I don't know the exact time line for when Frank went to the A.D.
to say he was going to retire.

Let's say it was July.

She talks to Frank and asks if he would be willing to take a "leave of absence due to medical reasons", rather then retire immediately, with the understanding he would most likely retire at the end of the season.

Appoint Albin "Interim" Head Coach.
Frank is still there, so he shouldn't have a problem with "Interim".

I'm sure the staff would know what Frank was most likely to do.

You maintain stability and continuity for the program.

See how Albin does.
If Frank retires, and Albin does O.K., offer him a contract.
If not, no buyout, new coach.

We also don't know whether, after a year off, Frank might have wanted to come back and try for the MAC title.










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  Message Not Read  RE: athleticsdir@ohio.edu
   Posted: 11/29/2021 8:20:46 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:


How about this for a viable alternative:

I don't know the exact time line for when Frank went to the A.D.
to say he was going to retire.

Let's say it was July.

She talks to Frank and asks if he would be willing to take a "leave of absence due to medical reasons", rather then retire immediately, with the understanding he would most likely retire at the end of the season.

Appoint Albin "Interim" Head Coach.
Frank is still there, so he shouldn't have a problem with "Interim".

I'm sure the staff would know what Frank was most likely to do.

You maintain stability and continuity for the program.

See how Albin does.
If Frank retires, and Albin does O.K., offer him a contract.
If not, no buyout, new coach.

We also don't know whether, after a year off, Frank might have wanted to come back and try for the MAC title.


That's creative, I'll give you that.

But it's unclear to me why Solich would do that when the end result is to put his longtime assistant, and presumably friend, in a worse position. It feels like a pretty safe assumption that Frank's preference was for his guy, if for no other reason than it's a continuation of what he's built. I have a hard time seeing Solich agreeing to that knowing that it works against the interests of a coaching staff that was loyal to him.

Don't you think that Solich wants to see them succeed? Giving someone a single transitional year to be judged on isn't ideal. In fact, it's a solution you're suggesting specifically because it provides the quickest path to giving Albin the boot. Why is that in either Albin or Frank's best interest?
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  Message Not Read  RE: athleticsdir@ohio.edu
   Posted: 11/29/2021 8:53:11 AM 
I think Cromer did the best she could given the circumstances. If Albin is not fired today, I would think he's coaching next year. Cromer is probably heading to Baton Rouge tomorrow for Wednesday basketball game. If he is fired after today, then I will be disappointed that the AD was not prepared for this.


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   Posted: 11/29/2021 11:53:26 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
How many BA threads, ongoing and otherwise, have BLSS going back and forth with one or two other posters?


He would have loved the "gangsta rap" thread or at least the first half of it until it turned into a Springsteen thread. I should have never mentioned the Beatles and Stones. That was the opening for it to become a classic rock debate.

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  Message Not Read  RE: athleticsdir@ohio.edu
   Posted: 12/2/2021 9:12:08 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
Julie: "Tim, we can offer you $450,000 on a 1 year deal as the Interim Coach as we see where this thing is headed."

Tim: "Absolutely not. I will not do this for less than 4 years."

Julie: "This conversation is over"

Julie proceeds to pick up the phone and dial one of 450,000 phone numbers of people that would be willing to lead an FBS program for 1 year of transition while she has perfect cover (excuse) that Frank left her no time to formulate a real gameplan. Instead she did the ONE thing she should never have done and gave Albin a long term deal.

This whole thing is an embarrassing joke. No matter how I try and give her the benefit of the doubt, she got hoodwinked. This is not the same program that Frank relinquished 4 months ago - it's gone straight down the toilet in every way possible.

Call Mullen. Raise the money. Fix it.


Exactly! I couldn't believe they paid him more than Solich in 2020! He hadn't made $200k previously. I think $450 would be generous for an unproven Head Coach at the FBS level, but I cannot see paying him more than Solich. Makes no sense.
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  Message Not Read  RE: athleticsdir@ohio.edu
   Posted: 12/2/2021 10:05:33 AM 

Ted Thompson wrote:
I think Cromer did the best she could given the circumstances. If Albin is not fired today, I would think he's coaching next year. Cromer is probably heading to Baton Rouge tomorrow for Wednesday basketball game. If he is fired after today, then I will be disappointed that the AD was not prepared for this. 

Let me clarify my statement. I would have been disappointed if they fired Albin but waited to do it. I understand that if you can't fire him for financial reasons then you can't fire him. I do believe, given the hand she was dealt, Cromer served Ohio well in essentially making the contract only a 2-year deal.


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