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ExCat21
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  Message Not Read  Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/7/2020 1:09:26 AM 
Even though they are our rival, I hate that they are experiencing this. Those athletes are going to band together to try to overcome some adverse times.

https://footballscoop.com/news/miami-ohio-to-furlough-ove... /


So it seems the programs in our conference that play 4 OOC games against SEC, Big 10, ACC, etc get hit the hardest. I'm sure we are not too far off them but I guess we don't expect $1 million payouts for our games. 100 furloughs is a whopper!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/7/2020 11:44:10 AM 
It is happening everywhere including OHIO University
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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/7/2020 12:14:45 PM 
Coaches take a 10% pay cut and staff get furloughed but the university prez keeps his half-million dollar salary. It's a microcosm of the US -- were some in this together.

They're doing the furloughs staggered, as many other schools are doing them. Probably spring sports staff are being furloughed now, fall sports staff starting in January, then winter sports staff in the spring.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/7/2020 1:15:29 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Coaches take a 10% pay cut and staff get furloughed but the university prez keeps his half-million dollar salary. It's a microcosm of the US -- were some in this together.

They're doing the furloughs staggered, as many other schools are doing them. Probably spring sports staff are being furloughed now, fall sports staff starting in January, then winter sports staff in the spring.


I'm not sure if you're referring out our President or Miami's.

In either case, both took pay cuts. At Miami, the President took a 25% cut. At Ohio, Nellis took a 15% cut.

Miami student paper: https://www.miamistudent.net/article/2020/04/pay-cuts-bri...

Have Solich and Boals taken a pay cut yet? I'd assume so, but hadn't seen the news.

Last Edited: 10/7/2020 1:21:08 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/7/2020 1:33:01 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Coaches take a 10% pay cut and staff get furloughed but the university prez keeps his half-million dollar salary. It's a microcosm of the US -- were some in this together.

They're doing the furloughs staggered, as many other schools are doing them. Probably spring sports staff are being furloughed now, fall sports staff starting in January, then winter sports staff in the spring.


I'm not sure if you're referring out our President or Miami's.

In either case, both took pay cuts. At Miami, the President took a 25% cut. At Ohio, Nellis took a 15% cut.

Miami student paper: https://www.miamistudent.net/article/2020/04/pay-cuts-bri...

Have Solich and Boals taken a pay cut yet? I'd assume so, but hadn't seen the news.


The article supplied by ExCat21 regarding the Fiami furloughs says "The university’s board of trustees voted to furlough 115 athletic department staff members while still keeping university president Greg Crawford’s $520,047 salary in tact." Either things have changed at Fiami since last April or Football Scoop supplied erroneous info.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/7/2020 1:51:29 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Coaches take a 10% pay cut and staff get furloughed but the university prez keeps his half-million dollar salary. It's a microcosm of the US -- were some in this together.

They're doing the furloughs staggered, as many other schools are doing them. Probably spring sports staff are being furloughed now, fall sports staff starting in January, then winter sports staff in the spring.


I'm not sure if you're referring out our President or Miami's.

In either case, both took pay cuts. At Miami, the President took a 25% cut. At Ohio, Nellis took a 15% cut.

Miami student paper: https://www.miamistudent.net/article/2020/04/pay-cuts-bri...

Have Solich and Boals taken a pay cut yet? I'd assume so, but hadn't seen the news.


The article supplied by ExCat21 regarding the Fiami furloughs says "The university’s board of trustees voted to furlough 115 athletic department staff members while still keeping university president Greg Crawford’s $520,047 salary in tact." Either things have changed at Fiami since last April or Football Scoop supplied erroneous info.


Yeah, and the entire OHIO Athletics Staff save 1 was furloughed, some for over a month.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/7/2020 1:56:34 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Coaches take a 10% pay cut and staff get furloughed but the university prez keeps his half-million dollar salary. It's a microcosm of the US -- were some in this together.

They're doing the furloughs staggered, as many other schools are doing them. Probably spring sports staff are being furloughed now, fall sports staff starting in January, then winter sports staff in the spring.


I'm not sure if you're referring out our President or Miami's.

In either case, both took pay cuts. At Miami, the President took a 25% cut. At Ohio, Nellis took a 15% cut.

Miami student paper: https://www.miamistudent.net/article/2020/04/pay-cuts-bri...

Have Solich and Boals taken a pay cut yet? I'd assume so, but hadn't seen the news.


The article supplied by ExCat21 regarding the Fiami furloughs says "The university’s board of trustees voted to furlough 115 athletic department staff members while still keeping university president Greg Crawford’s $520,047 salary in tact." Either things have changed at Fiami since last April or Football Scoop supplied erroneous info.


Yeah, I think 'footballscoop' got it wrong. Here's an article from this week stating that the austerity measure is still in place: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/10/02/mi...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/7/2020 7:54:00 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Coaches take a 10% pay cut and staff get furloughed but the university prez keeps his half-million dollar salary. It's a microcosm of the US -- were some in this together.

They're doing the furloughs staggered, as many other schools are doing them. Probably spring sports staff are being furloughed now, fall sports staff starting in January, then winter sports staff in the spring.


I'm not sure if you're referring out our President or Miami's.

In either case, both took pay cuts. At Miami, the President took a 25% cut. At Ohio, Nellis took a 15% cut.

Miami student paper: https://www.miamistudent.net/article/2020/04/pay-cuts-bri...

Have Solich and Boals taken a pay cut yet? I'd assume so, but hadn't seen the news.


The article supplied by ExCat21 regarding the Fiami furloughs says "The university’s board of trustees voted to furlough 115 athletic department staff members while still keeping university president Greg Crawford’s $520,047 salary in tact." Either things have changed at Fiami since last April or Football Scoop supplied erroneous info.


Yeah, I think 'footballscoop' got it wrong. Here's an article from this week stating that the austerity measure is still in place: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/10/02/mi...


Oh. Never mind.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/8/2020 6:14:55 PM 
So here is OU's furlough policy. Anyone making $38.000 or more will face a furlough. These are the only employees who are exempt:

The following employees are exempt from the furlough plan: employee members of the FOP and AFSCME Collective Bargaining Units, employees who are holders of H-1B visas, student employees, and employees who perform mission critical functions or who maintain the health and safety on the university campus as determined by the President or his designee. The point is that this also applies to our athletic department which means the situaiton at Miami is really no different than here.

https://www.ohio.edu/hr/benefits/furlough-plan-fy-2021-0
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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/8/2020 8:59:01 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
So here is OU's furlough policy. Anyone making $38.000 or more will face a furlough. These are the only employees who are exempt:

The following employees are exempt from the furlough plan: employee members of the FOP and AFSCME Collective Bargaining Units, employees who are holders of H-1B visas, student employees, and employees who perform mission critical functions or who maintain the health and safety on the university campus as determined by the President or his designee. The point is that this also applies to our athletic department which means the situaiton at Miami is really no different than here.

https://www.ohio.edu/hr/benefits/furlough-plan-fy-2021-0


We have student employees making over $38,000?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/8/2020 9:51:13 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
So here is OU's furlough policy. Anyone making $38.000 or more will face a furlough. These are the only employees who are exempt:

The following employees are exempt from the furlough plan: employee members of the FOP and AFSCME Collective Bargaining Units, employees who are holders of H-1B visas, student employees, and employees who perform mission critical functions or who maintain the health and safety on the university campus as determined by the President or his designee. The point is that this also applies to our athletic department which means the situaiton at Miami is really no different than here.

https://www.ohio.edu/hr/benefits/furlough-plan-fy-2021-0


We have student employees making over $38,000?


Depends, is stipends and tuition waivers income?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/8/2020 9:52:36 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
So here is OU's furlough policy. Anyone making $38.000 or more will face a furlough. These are the only employees who are exempt:

The following employees are exempt from the furlough plan: employee members of the FOP and AFSCME Collective Bargaining Units, employees who are holders of H-1B visas, student employees, and employees who perform mission critical functions or who maintain the health and safety on the university campus as determined by the President or his designee. The point is that this also applies to our athletic department which means the situaiton at Miami is really no different than here.

https://www.ohio.edu/hr/benefits/furlough-plan-fy-2021-0


All staff with the exception of the AD has taken one. The nuts and bolts have all taken a month.
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   Posted: 10/13/2020 8:44:05 PM 
OU has some tough decisions ahead:

https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /

I had the privilege to intern with Wayne National Forest my senior year and work with Jeannie Friedhoff in management and budgeting. The 15-year plan I worked on was the US-33 built to increase travel time in SE Ohio. Very interesting and tough project being that businesses were essentially wiped out. Definitely one of the most emotional projects I worked on. I drive on it often now and I still think about the Sonic and Burger King in Nelsonville.


What top 5 decisions would you make or what would you eliminate to keep Ohio afloat during these times?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/14/2020 10:33:50 AM 
ExCat21 wrote:
OU has some tough decisions ahead:

https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /

I had the privilege to intern with Wayne National Forest my senior year and work with Jeannie Friedhoff in management and budgeting. The 15-year plan I worked on was the US-33 built to increase travel time in SE Ohio. Very interesting and tough project being that businesses were essentially wiped out. Definitely one of the most emotional projects I worked on. I drive on it often now and I still think about the Sonic and Burger King in Nelsonville.


What top 5 decisions would you make or what would you eliminate to keep Ohio afloat during these times?


1. A new master plan for the dorms. No more quad dorms, convert those to singles with baths. Scott quad set up as an honors dorm to attract students. The old Osteopathic college converted to single dorm rooms.

2. Merge departments without PhD programs. Its important to maintain the graduate base of the university but some that only go up to a masters can probably be combined. I'd be cautious though about some of the health and engineering disciplines since it might affect accreditation.

3. Consolidate administrators. One administrator making 200k costs 1 million over a 5 year period.

4. Ask the state of Ohio for help. Talk them into consolidating Cleveland St to become an OU regional campus for cost efficiencies. Cleveland St would come with a law school which is something the university lacks.

5. Close down one or two of the regional campuses all together. Offer to give Chillicothe to OSU as part of a state campus realignment deal. They can probably do a better job of attracting students to Chillicothe given its right off of US23.

At the moment the enrollment number for undergraduate is right around 14,400 and they see it bottoming out at about 12,600 by 2024. It may not get that bad but regardless go for the wholesale moves.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/14/2020 11:07:43 AM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
ExCat21 wrote:
OU has some tough decisions ahead:

https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /

I had the privilege to intern with Wayne National Forest my senior year and work with Jeannie Friedhoff in management and budgeting. The 15-year plan I worked on was the US-33 built to increase travel time in SE Ohio. Very interesting and tough project being that businesses were essentially wiped out. Definitely one of the most emotional projects I worked on. I drive on it often now and I still think about the Sonic and Burger King in Nelsonville.


What top 5 decisions would you make or what would you eliminate to keep Ohio afloat during these times?


1. A new master plan for the dorms. No more quad dorms, convert those to singles with baths. Scott quad set up as an honors dorm to attract students. The old Osteopathic college converted to single dorm rooms.

2. Merge departments without PhD programs. Its important to maintain the graduate base of the university but some that only go up to a masters can probably be combined. I'd be cautious though about some of the health and engineering disciplines since it might affect accreditation.

3. Consolidate administrators. One administrator making 200k costs 1 million over a 5 year period.

4. Ask the state of Ohio for help. Talk them into consolidating Cleveland St to become an OU regional campus for cost efficiencies. Cleveland St would come with a law school which is something the university lacks.

5. Close down one or two of the regional campuses all together. Offer to give Chillicothe to OSU as part of a state campus realignment deal. They can probably do a better job of attracting students to Chillicothe given its right off of US23.

At the moment the enrollment number for undergraduate is right around 14,400 and they see it bottoming out at about 12,600 by 2024. It may not get that bad but regardless go for the wholesale moves.


I'm sure other Universities and political leaders of Cleveland and Northern Ohio would easily just give up their University to the hicks in the sticks. You really believe that our end of the State and our University has that much political clout?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/14/2020 11:35:38 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
ExCat21 wrote:
OU has some tough decisions ahead:

https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /

I had the privilege to intern with Wayne National Forest my senior year and work with Jeannie Friedhoff in management and budgeting. The 15-year plan I worked on was the US-33 built to increase travel time in SE Ohio. Very interesting and tough project being that businesses were essentially wiped out. Definitely one of the most emotional projects I worked on. I drive on it often now and I still think about the Sonic and Burger King in Nelsonville.


What top 5 decisions would you make or what would you eliminate to keep Ohio afloat during these times?


1. A new master plan for the dorms. No more quad dorms, convert those to singles with baths. Scott quad set up as an honors dorm to attract students. The old Osteopathic college converted to single dorm rooms.

2. Merge departments without PhD programs. Its important to maintain the graduate base of the university but some that only go up to a masters can probably be combined. I'd be cautious though about some of the health and engineering disciplines since it might affect accreditation.

3. Consolidate administrators. One administrator making 200k costs 1 million over a 5 year period.

4. Ask the state of Ohio for help. Talk them into consolidating Cleveland St to become an OU regional campus for cost efficiencies. Cleveland St would come with a law school which is something the university lacks.

5. Close down one or two of the regional campuses all together. Offer to give Chillicothe to OSU as part of a state campus realignment deal. They can probably do a better job of attracting students to Chillicothe given its right off of US23.

At the moment the enrollment number for undergraduate is right around 14,400 and they see it bottoming out at about 12,600 by 2024. It may not get that bad but regardless go for the wholesale moves.


I'm sure other Universities and political leaders of Cleveland and Northern Ohio would easily just give up their University to the hicks in the sticks. You really believe that our end of the State and our University has that much political clout?


I'm saying I would at least try it as part of a grand bargain. Northeast Ohio has long been noted for failing, inefficient universities. Ohio University has been running a close third in state appropriations behind Cincinnati and is the highest per student. The school isn't Ohio State but its important to the state in a way Miami isn't.

In the 70's the state gave the Osteopathic College to OU as a bailout so I don't think future deals are precluded. As you mention being in the sticks is a disadvantage and having more of a presence in the urban areas is a good thing and worth trading some of those branch campuses for.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/14/2020 11:59:05 AM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
ExCat21 wrote:
OU has some tough decisions ahead:

https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /

I had the privilege to intern with Wayne National Forest my senior year and work with Jeannie Friedhoff in management and budgeting. The 15-year plan I worked on was the US-33 built to increase travel time in SE Ohio. Very interesting and tough project being that businesses were essentially wiped out. Definitely one of the most emotional projects I worked on. I drive on it often now and I still think about the Sonic and Burger King in Nelsonville.


What top 5 decisions would you make or what would you eliminate to keep Ohio afloat during these times?


1. A new master plan for the dorms. No more quad dorms, convert those to singles with baths. Scott quad set up as an honors dorm to attract students. The old Osteopathic college converted to single dorm rooms.

2. Merge departments without PhD programs. Its important to maintain the graduate base of the university but some that only go up to a masters can probably be combined. I'd be cautious though about some of the health and engineering disciplines since it might affect accreditation.

3. Consolidate administrators. One administrator making 200k costs 1 million over a 5 year period.

4. Ask the state of Ohio for help. Talk them into consolidating Cleveland St to become an OU regional campus for cost efficiencies. Cleveland St would come with a law school which is something the university lacks.

5. Close down one or two of the regional campuses all together. Offer to give Chillicothe to OSU as part of a state campus realignment deal. They can probably do a better job of attracting students to Chillicothe given its right off of US23.

At the moment the enrollment number for undergraduate is right around 14,400 and they see it bottoming out at about 12,600 by 2024. It may not get that bad but regardless go for the wholesale moves.


I'm sure other Universities and political leaders of Cleveland and Northern Ohio would easily just give up their University to the hicks in the sticks. You really believe that our end of the State and our University has that much political clout?


I'm saying I would at least try it as part of a grand bargain. Northeast Ohio has long been noted for failing, inefficient universities. Ohio University has been running a close third in state appropriations behind Cincinnati and is the highest per student. The school isn't Ohio State but its important to the state in a way Miami isn't.

In the 70's the state gave the Osteopathic College to OU as a bailout so I don't think future deals are precluded. As you mention being in the sticks is a disadvantage and having more of a presence in the urban areas is a good thing and worth trading some of those branch campuses for.


In the 70's when the Osteopathic College was given to OHIO, you also had a very very powerful speaker and a governor who were from the region. You do not have that today.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Redhawk Furloughs
   Posted: 10/14/2020 4:32:52 PM 
Some head coaches' pay cuts are more show than dough. Many coaches' cuts are taken from base salary, which often is a small portion of a coach's compensation. And at least one coach (Tom Herman at Texas) will be paid back before his contract ends.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2020/10/14/co... /


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   Posted: 10/17/2020 9:09:10 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
ExCat21 wrote:
OU has some tough decisions ahead:

https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /

I had the privilege to intern with Wayne National Forest my senior year and work with Jeannie Friedhoff in management and budgeting. The 15-year plan I worked on was the US-33 built to increase travel time in SE Ohio. Very interesting and tough project being that businesses were essentially wiped out. Definitely one of the most emotional projects I worked on. I drive on it often now and I still think about the Sonic and Burger King in Nelsonville.


What top 5 decisions would you make or what would you eliminate to keep Ohio afloat during these times?


1. A new master plan for the dorms. No more quad dorms, convert those to singles with baths. Scott quad set up as an honors dorm to attract students. The old Osteopathic college converted to single dorm rooms.

2. Merge departments without PhD programs. Its important to maintain the graduate base of the university but some that only go up to a masters can probably be combined. I'd be cautious though about some of the health and engineering disciplines since it might affect accreditation.

3. Consolidate administrators. One administrator making 200k costs 1 million over a 5 year period.

4. Ask the state of Ohio for help. Talk them into consolidating Cleveland St to become an OU regional campus for cost efficiencies. Cleveland St would come with a law school which is something the university lacks.

5. Close down one or two of the regional campuses all together. Offer to give Chillicothe to OSU as part of a state campus realignment deal. They can probably do a better job of attracting students to Chillicothe given its right off of US23.

At the moment the enrollment number for undergraduate is right around 14,400 and they see it bottoming out at about 12,600 by 2024. It may not get that bad but regardless go for the wholesale moves.


I'm sure other Universities and political leaders of Cleveland and Northern Ohio would easily just give up their University to the hicks in the sticks. You really believe that our end of the State and our University has that much political clout?


I'm saying I would at least try it as part of a grand bargain. Northeast Ohio has long been noted for failing, inefficient universities. Ohio University has been running a close third in state appropriations behind Cincinnati and is the highest per student. The school isn't Ohio State but its important to the state in a way Miami isn't.

In the 70's the state gave the Osteopathic College to OU as a bailout so I don't think future deals are precluded. As you mention being in the sticks is a disadvantage and having more of a presence in the urban areas is a good thing and worth trading some of those branch campuses for.


In the 70's when the Osteopathic College was given to OHIO, you also had a very very powerful speaker and a governor who were from the region. You do not have that today.


+1

Plus you had the powerful lobbying of the Ohio Osteopathic Association. George Dunigan, their government relations director, was rated at that time by the Columbus Dispatch as one of the top lobbyist in the state in an article they published. The OOA had conducted a statewide study and determined that Ohio was the best place for the school since our quadrant of the state was the only one without a medical school and osteopathic medicine has a history of serving rural areas and the mother school is in the small rural town of Kirksville, Mo. It was a convergence of many factors. The Board of Regents and the Ohio State Medical Association placed much pressure on Gov. James Rhodes to veto the bill. He signed it. A governor from another section of the state might have succumbed to the pressure, as BTC points out.


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   Posted: 10/18/2020 12:07:41 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
ExCat21 wrote:
OU has some tough decisions ahead:

https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /

I had the privilege to intern with Wayne National Forest my senior year and work with Jeannie Friedhoff in management and budgeting. The 15-year plan I worked on was the US-33 built to increase travel time in SE Ohio. Very interesting and tough project being that businesses were essentially wiped out. Definitely one of the most emotional projects I worked on. I drive on it often now and I still think about the Sonic and Burger King in Nelsonville.


What top 5 decisions would you make or what would you eliminate to keep Ohio afloat during these times?


1. A new master plan for the dorms. No more quad dorms, convert those to singles with baths. Scott quad set up as an honors dorm to attract students. The old Osteopathic college converted to single dorm rooms.

2. Merge departments without PhD programs. Its important to maintain the graduate base of the university but some that only go up to a masters can probably be combined. I'd be cautious though about some of the health and engineering disciplines since it might affect accreditation.

3. Consolidate administrators. One administrator making 200k costs 1 million over a 5 year period.

4. Ask the state of Ohio for help. Talk them into consolidating Cleveland St to become an OU regional campus for cost efficiencies. Cleveland St would come with a law school which is something the university lacks.

5. Close down one or two of the regional campuses all together. Offer to give Chillicothe to OSU as part of a state campus realignment deal. They can probably do a better job of attracting students to Chillicothe given its right off of US23.

At the moment the enrollment number for undergraduate is right around 14,400 and they see it bottoming out at about 12,600 by 2024. It may not get that bad but regardless go for the wholesale moves.


I'm sure other Universities and political leaders of Cleveland and Northern Ohio would easily just give up their University to the hicks in the sticks. You really believe that our end of the State and our University has that much political clout?


I'm saying I would at least try it as part of a grand bargain. Northeast Ohio has long been noted for failing, inefficient universities. Ohio University has been running a close third in state appropriations behind Cincinnati and is the highest per student. The school isn't Ohio State but its important to the state in a way Miami isn't.

In the 70's the state gave the Osteopathic College to OU as a bailout so I don't think future deals are precluded. As you mention being in the sticks is a disadvantage and having more of a presence in the urban areas is a good thing and worth trading some of those branch campuses for.


In the 70's when the Osteopathic College was given to OHIO, you also had a very very powerful speaker and a governor who were from the region. You do not have that today.


+1

Plus you had the powerful lobbying of the Ohio Osteopathic Association. George Dunigan, their government relations director, was rated at that time by the Columbus Dispatch as one of the top lobbyist in the state in an article they published. The OOA had conducted a statewide study and determined that Ohio was the best place for the school since our quadrant of the state was the only one without a medical school and osteopathic medicine has a history of serving rural areas and the mother school is in the small rural town of Kirksville, Mo. It was a convergence of many factors. The Board of Regents and the Ohio State Medical Association placed much pressure on Gov. James Rhodes to veto the bill. He signed it. A governor from another section of the state might have succumbed to the pressure, as BTC points out.


Correct, and let us also add that the DO was a much less popular and achieved degree at the time over an MD. DO’s profile has greatly increased since then.
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BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
ExCat21 wrote:
OU has some tough decisions ahead:

https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /

I had the privilege to intern with Wayne National Forest my senior year and work with Jeannie Friedhoff in management and budgeting. The 15-year plan I worked on was the US-33 built to increase travel time in SE Ohio. Very interesting and tough project being that businesses were essentially wiped out. Definitely one of the most emotional projects I worked on. I drive on it often now and I still think about the Sonic and Burger King in Nelsonville.


What top 5 decisions would you make or what would you eliminate to keep Ohio afloat during these times?


1. A new master plan for the dorms. No more quad dorms, convert those to singles with baths. Scott quad set up as an honors dorm to attract students. The old Osteopathic college converted to single dorm rooms.

2. Merge departments without PhD programs. Its important to maintain the graduate base of the university but some that only go up to a masters can probably be combined. I'd be cautious though about some of the health and engineering disciplines since it might affect accreditation.

3. Consolidate administrators. One administrator making 200k costs 1 million over a 5 year period.

4. Ask the state of Ohio for help. Talk them into consolidating Cleveland St to become an OU regional campus for cost efficiencies. Cleveland St would come with a law school which is something the university lacks.

5. Close down one or two of the regional campuses all together. Offer to give Chillicothe to OSU as part of a state campus realignment deal. They can probably do a better job of attracting students to Chillicothe given its right off of US23.

At the moment the enrollment number for undergraduate is right around 14,400 and they see it bottoming out at about 12,600 by 2024. It may not get that bad but regardless go for the wholesale moves.


I'm sure other Universities and political leaders of Cleveland and Northern Ohio would easily just give up their University to the hicks in the sticks. You really believe that our end of the State and our University has that much political clout?


I'm saying I would at least try it as part of a grand bargain. Northeast Ohio has long been noted for failing, inefficient universities. Ohio University has been running a close third in state appropriations behind Cincinnati and is the highest per student. The school isn't Ohio State but its important to the state in a way Miami isn't.

In the 70's the state gave the Osteopathic College to OU as a bailout so I don't think future deals are precluded. As you mention being in the sticks is a disadvantage and having more of a presence in the urban areas is a good thing and worth trading some of those branch campuses for.


In the 70's when the Osteopathic College was given to OHIO, you also had a very very powerful speaker and a governor who were from the region. You do not have that today.


+1

Plus you had the powerful lobbying of the Ohio Osteopathic Association. George Dunigan, their government relations director, was rated at that time by the Columbus Dispatch as one of the top lobbyist in the state in an article they published. The OOA had conducted a statewide study and determined that Ohio was the best place for the school since our quadrant of the state was the only one without a medical school and osteopathic medicine has a history of serving rural areas and the mother school is in the small rural town of Kirksville, Mo. It was a convergence of many factors. The Board of Regents and the Ohio State Medical Association placed much pressure on Gov. James Rhodes to veto the bill. He signed it. A governor from another section of the state might have succumbed to the pressure, as BTC points out.


Correct, and let us also add that the DO was a much less popular and achieved degree at the time over an MD. DO’s profile has greatly increased since then.


And, we were only the second osteopathic school to be started as part of a state university — Michigan State being the first. As I recall we were the third to be state supported. The others, at that time, were all private institutions.


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