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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 10:38:12 AM 
oubobcat70 wrote:
I am taking the liberty of attacking the Solich issue from a different angle,Completely understanding that mine will be a minority opinion and subject to intense criticism. I expect that and so be it. First, I have had the privilege of having played this game for a long time under many very good and memorable coaches. The best of which was no doubt Big Daddy and Bob Kappes. .But I would have been privileged to play for Coach Solich.I think public opinion lacks an appreciation of the total environment that Ohio University offers to todays student-athlete. And that impacts expectations in not a good way. Lets take moment to take a big picture view of our situation.
Athens. Scratch "big city" recruits. Realistically, the bricks, the 1804 stuff, and all that comes with it is not, I repeat not , attractive to most big city recruits that yearn for the limelight. Athens is arguably an hour from a real airport, a first class news outlet, a big time mall. Laugh if you will. But those things are important to a "big city" recruit. My point? Lets be realistic on exactly who we can attract to OU , coaches and student athletes, in todays world. And adjust expectations appropriately. Those that attended OU understand what the atmosphere offers. Others don't.
Lets touch on facilities for a moment. Ours are improving, and have improved, but still have a ways to go. Much of that improvement is dependent on the Bobcat Club. Are you a member for a reason other than a handy parking spot?? I hope so.
How about coach himself. He got fired by Nebraska, after a notable Nebraska player career, a spotless record, and a 9 and 3 record in his last coaching season. Has Nebraska gone 9 and 3, or better, since he was fired?
We have a clean program. With quality guys. A good record of graduating key players to the pro's. And graduating players in general. Real student-athletes.Rapidly improving facilities. (please take the criticisms of the paper towel holders pretty much where the sun don't shine) And of late....very respectable win/loss records. Not enough?
I love following OU football, Much more under the Solich guidance than what preceded his tenure.
Having said all that as well as being critical of what may be inappropriate expectations, lets enjoy what we have and appreciate the quality of the university, the town of Athens, the atmosphere of the school and program, and the uniqueness and wonder of all that is OU.
We are competitive on the field under Coach Solich. Our players , for the most part, are student-athletes proud of their choice to attend OU. My personal opinion is that he is likely to retire sooner rather than later.
He'll do it of his own volition because he's earned that right. I hope when he chooses to leave, OU can find someone of his equal, both on and off the field.
This is lower D-1 football. I appreciate what we have.
I'm done. Have at it.


Solich has set the goals of Ohio as top 25 ranking, MAC championship and a bowl game. He has never achieved 2 or his 3 goals. He has set the expectations, the fans are only agreeing with him as possible goals. Thatís not unrealistic if thatís what the coach is saying as well, is it? When will Frank realize that he canít get it done and let someone else try. I agree he has earned the right to say when itís time.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 10:56:01 AM 
Robert Fox wrote:
The pitch of the grand stands in Peden is too flat. Even when there's a big crowd, noise is not concentrated on the field. The overall stadium experience is ordinary. Nothing too special. It's nice that it's an old stadium, and the new addition in the end zone looks nice, but I don't consider Peden as offering any sort of unique game atmosphere.

Having said that, I'm not lobbying for a new stadium. I just don't get your point that Peden is somehow unique and a big advantage. I guess that's your point.


Well have you been to Peden lately since they've installed the new sound stadium with speakers that direct sound down to the field level? Sight lines are better with the slopes in the newer stadiums but they feel small. You never get a feel that Peden has too many seats in it like most MAC stadiums that is why its nice at 13k-14k. Then when its packed with the horseshoe/bowl configuration it feels like a big time atmosphere. For a G5 program its a solid stadium at this point and good enough for the program's aspirations. I question whether more facilities are even necessary. Better tailgating rules and donor levels should be revamped because its ticking people off.


Bobcat Sustainability
2018 Quentin Poling, 7th Round (Miami Dolphins)
2017 Tarell Basham, 3rd Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2017 Blair Brown, 5th Round (Jacksonville Jaguars)
2014 Travis Carrie, 7th Round (Oakland Raiders)
2013 Eric Herman, 7th Round (New York Giants)
2012 LaVon Brazil, 6th Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2010 Taylor Price, 3rd Round (NE Patriots)
2009 Mike Mitchell, 2nd Round (Oakland Raiders)
2008 Landon Cohen, 7th Round (Detroit Lions)

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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:00:07 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:

Well have you been to Peden lately since they've installed the new sound stadium with speakers that direct sound down to the field level?


I guess I haven't, no. I haven't seen a game in-person since Homecoming 2018. I assume that was before the sound changes.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:19:35 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
oubobcat70 wrote:
I am taking the liberty of attacking the Solich issue from a different angle,Completely understanding that mine will be a minority opinion and subject to intense criticism. I expect that and so be it. First, I have had the privilege of having played this game for a long time under many very good and memorable coaches. The best of which was no doubt Big Daddy and Bob Kappes. .But I would have been privileged to play for Coach Solich.I think public opinion lacks an appreciation of the total environment that Ohio University offers to todays student-athlete. And that impacts expectations in not a good way. Lets take moment to take a big picture view of our situation.
Athens. Scratch "big city" recruits. Realistically, the bricks, the 1804 stuff, and all that comes with it is not, I repeat not , attractive to most big city recruits that yearn for the limelight. Athens is arguably an hour from a real airport, a first class news outlet, a big time mall. Laugh if you will. But those things are important to a "big city" recruit. My point? Lets be realistic on exactly who we can attract to OU , coaches and student athletes, in todays world. And adjust expectations appropriately. Those that attended OU understand what the atmosphere offers. Others don't.
Lets touch on facilities for a moment. Ours are improving, and have improved, but still have a ways to go. Much of that improvement is dependent on the Bobcat Club. Are you a member for a reason other than a handy parking spot?? I hope so.
How about coach himself. He got fired by Nebraska, after a notable Nebraska player career, a spotless record, and a 9 and 3 record in his last coaching season. Has Nebraska gone 9 and 3, or better, since he was fired?
We have a clean program. With quality guys. A good record of graduating key players to the pro's. And graduating players in general. Real student-athletes.Rapidly improving facilities. (please take the criticisms of the paper towel holders pretty much where the sun don't shine) And of late....very respectable win/loss records. Not enough?
I love following OU football, Much more under the Solich guidance than what preceded his tenure.
Having said all that as well as being critical of what may be inappropriate expectations, lets enjoy what we have and appreciate the quality of the university, the town of Athens, the atmosphere of the school and program, and the uniqueness and wonder of all that is OU.
We are competitive on the field under Coach Solich. Our players , for the most part, are student-athletes proud of their choice to attend OU. My personal opinion is that he is likely to retire sooner rather than later.
He'll do it of his own volition because he's earned that right. I hope when he chooses to leave, OU can find someone of his equal, both on and off the field.
This is lower D-1 football. I appreciate what we have.
I'm done. Have at it.


Solich has set the goals of Ohio as top 25 ranking, MAC championship and a bowl game. He has never achieved 2 or his 3 goals. He has set the expectations, the fans are only agreeing with him as possible goals. Thatís not unrealistic if thatís what the coach is saying as well, is it? When will Frank realize that he canít get it done and let someone else try. I agree he has earned the right to say when itís time.


Frank did break into the Top 25 in 2012, made the MACC four times since 2006 and has won four bowl games since 2011. One can argue he has largely delivered on the goals without a conference championship in hand. What I don't buy at all is the idea that without Frank its a return to the Cleve Bryant years. That was a far different era when the MAC had less scholarships than other FBS conferences, played on 11 game schedule, no online media ect. Part of Frank's consistency has to do with having more to entice recruits with like national TV, facilities, MACC in a NFL stadium, bowl opportunities that were not there in prior eras. The MAC has moved up while at the same time Ohio has moved up in the MAC which proves the underdevelopment was holding back the Ohio FB program for a long time.

Last Edited: 11/8/2019 11:24:31 AM by Uncle Wes


Bobcat Sustainability
2018 Quentin Poling, 7th Round (Miami Dolphins)
2017 Tarell Basham, 3rd Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2017 Blair Brown, 5th Round (Jacksonville Jaguars)
2014 Travis Carrie, 7th Round (Oakland Raiders)
2013 Eric Herman, 7th Round (New York Giants)
2012 LaVon Brazil, 6th Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2010 Taylor Price, 3rd Round (NE Patriots)
2009 Mike Mitchell, 2nd Round (Oakland Raiders)
2008 Landon Cohen, 7th Round (Detroit Lions)

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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:28:26 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
The pitch of the grand stands in Peden is too flat. Even when there's a big crowd, noise is not concentrated on the field. The overall stadium experience is ordinary. Nothing too special. It's nice that it's an old stadium, and the new addition in the end zone looks nice, but I don't consider Peden as offering any sort of unique game atmosphere.

Having said that, I'm not lobbying for a new stadium. I just don't get your point that Peden is somehow unique and a big advantage. I guess that's your point.


Well have you been to Peden lately since they've installed the new sound stadium with speakers that direct sound down to the field level? Sight lines are better with the slopes in the newer stadiums but they feel small. You never get a feel that Peden has too many seats in it like most MAC stadiums that is why its nice at 13k-14k. Then when its packed with the horseshoe/bowl configuration it feels like a big time atmosphere. For a G5 program its a solid stadium at this point and good enough for the program's aspirations. I question whether more facilities are even necessary. Better tailgating rules and donor levels should be revamped because its ticking people off.


Peden is a quaint historic venue, but under no circumstance is there a big time atmosphere. Besides we never fill it anymore and wonít until we get better than 9-4. Itís been discussed in here for years about the decline in attendance causes so iíll let that ride for now.( good student attendance the other day-itís amazing what the results are when you give away something).
The add on sections just look so weird to me, they look so out of place and makes the stadium
disjointed. Theyíre upgrading it some, but itís still antiquated in so many ways. Crumbling concrete, rusty pipes, and cracking paint all need updated. Since parts have been falling off, Iím not sure how ďsolidĒ it is. LOL. We can enjoy it what what is is because thatís all we got, but it doesnít scream 21st century D-1 football to me.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:30:56 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
oubobcat70 wrote:
I am taking the liberty of attacking the Solich issue from a different angle,Completely understanding that mine will be a minority opinion and subject to intense criticism. I expect that and so be it. First, I have had the privilege of having played this game for a long time under many very good and memorable coaches. The best of which was no doubt Big Daddy and Bob Kappes. .But I would have been privileged to play for Coach Solich.I think public opinion lacks an appreciation of the total environment that Ohio University offers to todays student-athlete. And that impacts expectations in not a good way. Lets take moment to take a big picture view of our situation.
Athens. Scratch "big city" recruits. Realistically, the bricks, the 1804 stuff, and all that comes with it is not, I repeat not , attractive to most big city recruits that yearn for the limelight. Athens is arguably an hour from a real airport, a first class news outlet, a big time mall. Laugh if you will. But those things are important to a "big city" recruit. My point? Lets be realistic on exactly who we can attract to OU , coaches and student athletes, in todays world. And adjust expectations appropriately. Those that attended OU understand what the atmosphere offers. Others don't.
Lets touch on facilities for a moment. Ours are improving, and have improved, but still have a ways to go. Much of that improvement is dependent on the Bobcat Club. Are you a member for a reason other than a handy parking spot?? I hope so.
How about coach himself. He got fired by Nebraska, after a notable Nebraska player career, a spotless record, and a 9 and 3 record in his last coaching season. Has Nebraska gone 9 and 3, or better, since he was fired?
We have a clean program. With quality guys. A good record of graduating key players to the pro's. And graduating players in general. Real student-athletes.Rapidly improving facilities. (please take the criticisms of the paper towel holders pretty much where the sun don't shine) And of late....very respectable win/loss records. Not enough?
I love following OU football, Much more under the Solich guidance than what preceded his tenure.
Having said all that as well as being critical of what may be inappropriate expectations, lets enjoy what we have and appreciate the quality of the university, the town of Athens, the atmosphere of the school and program, and the uniqueness and wonder of all that is OU.
We are competitive on the field under Coach Solich. Our players , for the most part, are student-athletes proud of their choice to attend OU. My personal opinion is that he is likely to retire sooner rather than later.
He'll do it of his own volition because he's earned that right. I hope when he chooses to leave, OU can find someone of his equal, both on and off the field.
This is lower D-1 football. I appreciate what we have.
I'm done. Have at it.


Solich has set the goals of Ohio as top 25 ranking, MAC championship and a bowl game. He has never achieved 2 or his 3 goals. He has set the expectations, the fans are only agreeing with him as possible goals. Thatís not unrealistic if thatís what the coach is saying as well, is it? When will Frank realize that he canít get it done and let someone else try. I agree he has earned the right to say when itís time.


What I don't buy at all is the idea that without Frank its a return to the Cleve Bryant years.


This is where I'm at. Frank has made Ohio a more attractive job than 15 years ago. We're not just going to automatically drop off a cliff and become irrelevant because Frank leaves. All it takes is one guy to believe he can build upon the foundation that Frank has laid.

Last Edited: 11/8/2019 11:31:23 AM by GoCats105



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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:33:36 AM 
Robert Fox wrote:
Bobcat1998 wrote:
Well, Boals has been better already.


You're kidding, right?


Have you seen the recruiting job he's done so far? While those gains have not been truly realized and won't be for a while, the buzz over on the basketball board and surrounding the program is already a success. That St. Bonnie win meant a lot, even if they do have a so-so year.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:41:11 AM 
With some on here I feel like jealousy that we don't have what LSU has is driving the negativity. Clear path to the national championship. Joey Burrow at quarterback. 100,000 seat stadium and everyone talking about the game. We are not a large land grant university in the SEC. Ohio is a mid sized school that by virtue of its long D1 tradition and its location in a Top 5 recruiting state can project itself as a mid tier FBS program. Compare our situation to New Hampshire athletics and it looks impressive. Convo and Peden are huge relative to a campus that was designed for 15,000 undergraduates.


Bobcat Sustainability
2018 Quentin Poling, 7th Round (Miami Dolphins)
2017 Tarell Basham, 3rd Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2017 Blair Brown, 5th Round (Jacksonville Jaguars)
2014 Travis Carrie, 7th Round (Oakland Raiders)
2013 Eric Herman, 7th Round (New York Giants)
2012 LaVon Brazil, 6th Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2010 Taylor Price, 3rd Round (NE Patriots)
2009 Mike Mitchell, 2nd Round (Oakland Raiders)
2008 Landon Cohen, 7th Round (Detroit Lions)

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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:42:21 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
oubobcat70 wrote:
I am taking the liberty of attacking the Solich issue from a different angle,Completely understanding that mine will be a minority opinion and subject to intense criticism. I expect that and so be it. First, I have had the privilege of having played this game for a long time under many very good and memorable coaches. The best of which was no doubt Big Daddy and Bob Kappes. .But I would have been privileged to play for Coach Solich.I think public opinion lacks an appreciation of the total environment that Ohio University offers to todays student-athlete. And that impacts expectations in not a good way. Lets take moment to take a big picture view of our situation.
Athens. Scratch "big city" recruits. Realistically, the bricks, the 1804 stuff, and all that comes with it is not, I repeat not , attractive to most big city recruits that yearn for the limelight. Athens is arguably an hour from a real airport, a first class news outlet, a big time mall. Laugh if you will. But those things are important to a "big city" recruit. My point? Lets be realistic on exactly who we can attract to OU , coaches and student athletes, in todays world. And adjust expectations appropriately. Those that attended OU understand what the atmosphere offers. Others don't.
Lets touch on facilities for a moment. Ours are improving, and have improved, but still have a ways to go. Much of that improvement is dependent on the Bobcat Club. Are you a member for a reason other than a handy parking spot?? I hope so.
How about coach himself. He got fired by Nebraska, after a notable Nebraska player career, a spotless record, and a 9 and 3 record in his last coaching season. Has Nebraska gone 9 and 3, or better, since he was fired?
We have a clean program. With quality guys. A good record of graduating key players to the pro's. And graduating players in general. Real student-athletes.Rapidly improving facilities. (please take the criticisms of the paper towel holders pretty much where the sun don't shine) And of late....very respectable win/loss records. Not enough?
I love following OU football, Much more under the Solich guidance than what preceded his tenure.
Having said all that as well as being critical of what may be inappropriate expectations, lets enjoy what we have and appreciate the quality of the university, the town of Athens, the atmosphere of the school and program, and the uniqueness and wonder of all that is OU.
We are competitive on the field under Coach Solich. Our players , for the most part, are student-athletes proud of their choice to attend OU. My personal opinion is that he is likely to retire sooner rather than later.
He'll do it of his own volition because he's earned that right. I hope when he chooses to leave, OU can find someone of his equal, both on and off the field.
This is lower D-1 football. I appreciate what we have.
I'm done. Have at it.


Solich has set the goals of Ohio as top 25 ranking, MAC championship and a bowl game. He has never achieved 2 or his 3 goals. He has set the expectations, the fans are only agreeing with him as possible goals. Thatís not unrealistic if thatís what the coach is saying as well, is it? When will Frank realize that he canít get it done and let someone else try. I agree he has earned the right to say when itís time.


Frank did break into the Top 25 in 2012, made the MACC four times since 2006 and has won four bowl games since 2011. One can argue he has largely delivered on the goals without a conference championship in hand. What I don't buy at all is the idea that without Frank its a return to the Cleve Bryant years. That was a far different era when the MAC had less scholarships than other FBS conferences, played on 11 game schedule, no online media ect. Part of Frank's consistency has to do with having more to entice recruits with like national TV, facilities, MACC in a NFL stadium, bowl opportunities that were not there in prior eras. The MAC has moved up while at the same time Ohio has moved up in the MAC which proves the underdevelopment was holding back the Ohio FB program for a long time.


We were ranked for 1 week so thatís meeting that goal? And that was 7 years ago, ancient history. Being in 4 championship games in 15 years is acceptable? Whereís the trophy? Not one in 15 years and what have you done for me lately?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:48:04 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
How does Martin bolt when he has about a .380 winning percentage in six years at Miami? Win the MAC? I doubt he gets that done this year.


Since midway through the 2016 season Fiami has gone 22-18, including 20-7 in the MAC. That's good enough to draw interest from a struggling "P" or AAC school. Plus he has just one more year on his contract at somewhere around $600,000. It would be a low buyout and he could make a whole lot more with a "P" or AAC. The downside would be that he hasn't had a marquee win.

Last Edited: 11/8/2019 12:20:16 PM by Pataskala


Actually, the phrase is "Ohio on the Charles."

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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:50:02 AM 
Unacceptable. That's the word I want to hear come from Frank during his presser. In fact, he should use that word several times. My season ticket purchase decision may well hinge upon that.

I was waiting until I've cooled down a little to post. That doesn't appear to be happening.
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   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:56:02 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
With some on here I feel like jealousy that we don't have what LSU has is driving the negativity. Clear path to the national championship. Joey Burrow at quarterback. 100,000 seat stadium and everyone talking about the game. We are not a large land grant university in the SEC. Ohio is a mid sized school that by virtue of its long D1 tradition and its location in a Top 5 recruiting state can project itself as a mid tier FBS program. Compare our situation to New Hampshire athletics and it looks impressive. Convo and Peden are huge relative to a campus that was designed for 15,000 undergraduates.


I think you can look a lot closer than LSU for programs to aspire to, but thatís another story. I would rather compare to like positioned institutions like those in the MAC. Toledo, NIU, WMU, even BGSU have made more top notch waves than we have the past 15 years. Now on the plus side, we are probably more consistent overall which has value. Have the only 2 MAC bowl wins last 2 years. Used to lead the MAC in attendance, more years of bowl eligibility, etc. thatís all good. Give the players and coaches credit where credit is due. Also my all time favorite win -over Penn State in 2012-an event I will never forget. All is not bad.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:59:20 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
The pitch of the grand stands in Peden is too flat. Even when there's a big crowd, noise is not concentrated on the field. The overall stadium experience is ordinary. Nothing too special. It's nice that it's an old stadium, and the new addition in the end zone looks nice, but I don't consider Peden as offering any sort of unique game atmosphere.

Having said that, I'm not lobbying for a new stadium. I just don't get your point that Peden is somehow unique and a big advantage. I guess that's your point.


Well have you been to Peden lately since they've installed the new sound stadium with speakers that direct sound down to the field level? Sight lines are better with the slopes in the newer stadiums but they feel small. You never get a feel that Peden has too many seats in it like most MAC stadiums that is why its nice at 13k-14k. Then when its packed with the horseshoe/bowl configuration it feels like a big time atmosphere. For a G5 program its a solid stadium at this point and good enough for the program's aspirations. I question whether more facilities are even necessary. Better tailgating rules and donor levels should be revamped because its ticking people off.


Peden is a quaint historic venue, but under no circumstance is there a big time atmosphere. Besides we never fill it anymore and wonít until we get better than 9-4. Itís been discussed in here for years about the decline in attendance causes so iíll let that ride for now.( good student attendance the other day-itís amazing what the results are when you give away something).
The add on sections just look so weird to me, they look so out of place and makes the stadium
disjointed. Theyíre upgrading it some, but itís still antiquated in so many ways. Crumbling concrete, rusty pipes, and cracking paint all need updated. Since parts have been falling off, Iím not sure how ďsolidĒ it is. LOL. We can enjoy it what what is is because thatís all we got, but it doesnít scream 21st century D-1 football to me.


Do you go to games at Peden stadium? Were you at games like Miami in 2015 when over 25,000 were in the stands? Do you go to attend games at other stadiums? I go to Navy games once in a while. They have 34,000 seats. When packed the atmosphere is not much different than Peden but when the crowd is low its cavernous. How is Peden not 21st century with the landscaping, press tower and sook center with a modern IPF siting right behind it? Granted it needs some maintenance but its an attractive venue from the outside and designed to flex for larger/smaller crowds.


Bobcat Sustainability
2018 Quentin Poling, 7th Round (Miami Dolphins)
2017 Tarell Basham, 3rd Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2017 Blair Brown, 5th Round (Jacksonville Jaguars)
2014 Travis Carrie, 7th Round (Oakland Raiders)
2013 Eric Herman, 7th Round (New York Giants)
2012 LaVon Brazil, 6th Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2010 Taylor Price, 3rd Round (NE Patriots)
2009 Mike Mitchell, 2nd Round (Oakland Raiders)
2008 Landon Cohen, 7th Round (Detroit Lions)

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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to Move on
   Posted: 11/8/2019 12:07:26 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
With some on here I feel like jealousy that we don't have what LSU has is driving the negativity. Clear path to the national championship. Joey Burrow at quarterback. 100,000 seat stadium and everyone talking about the game. We are not a large land grant university in the SEC. Ohio is a mid sized school that by virtue of its long D1 tradition and its location in a Top 5 recruiting state can project itself as a mid tier FBS program. Compare our situation to New Hampshire athletics and it looks impressive. Convo and Peden are huge relative to a campus that was designed for 15,000 undergraduates.


I think you can look a lot closer than LSU for programs to aspire to, but thatís another story. I would rather compare to like positioned institutions like those in the MAC. Toledo, NIU, WMU, even BGSU have made more top notch waves than we have the past 15 years. Now on the plus side, we are probably more consistent overall which has value. Have the only 2 MAC bowl wins last 2 years. Used to lead the MAC in attendance, more years of bowl eligibility, etc. thatís all good. Give the players and coaches credit where credit is due. Also my all time favorite win -over Penn State in 2012-an event I will never forget. All is not bad.


Crushed Toledo the last two times. BG is a dumping ground for non-qualfiers. WMU has some good things going on with Kzoo. NIU has a nice brand. I see Ohio up there with those 4 programs. Do we need to be envious of them too? The crying is all about we don't have as much as others but Ohio is one of the better MAC jobs.

Last Edited: 11/8/2019 12:08:18 PM by Uncle Wes


Bobcat Sustainability
2018 Quentin Poling, 7th Round (Miami Dolphins)
2017 Tarell Basham, 3rd Round (Indianapolis Colts)
2017 Blair Brown, 5th Round (Jacksonville Jaguars)
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   Posted: 11/8/2019 1:26:42 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
The pitch of the grand stands in Peden is too flat. Even when there's a big crowd, noise is not concentrated on the field. The overall stadium experience is ordinary. Nothing too special. It's nice that it's an old stadium, and the new addition in the end zone looks nice, but I don't consider Peden as offering any sort of unique game atmosphere.

Having said that, I'm not lobbying for a new stadium. I just don't get your point that Peden is somehow unique and a big advantage. I guess that's your point.


Well have you been to Peden lately since they've installed the new sound stadium with speakers that direct sound down to the field level? Sight lines are better with the slopes in the newer stadiums but they feel small. You never get a feel that Peden has too many seats in it like most MAC stadiums that is why its nice at 13k-14k. Then when its packed with the horseshoe/bowl configuration it feels like a big time atmosphere. For a G5 program its a solid stadium at this point and good enough for the program's aspirations. I question whether more facilities are even necessary. Better tailgating rules and donor levels should be revamped because its ticking people off.


Peden is a quaint historic venue, but under no circumstance is there a big time atmosphere. Besides we never fill it anymore and wonít until we get better than 9-4. Itís been discussed in here for years about the decline in attendance causes so iíll let that ride for now.( good student attendance the other day-itís amazing what the results are when you give away something).
The add on sections just look so weird to me, they look so out of place and makes the stadium
disjointed. Theyíre upgrading it some, but itís still antiquated in so many ways. Crumbling concrete, rusty pipes, and cracking paint all need updated. Since parts have been falling off, Iím not sure how ďsolidĒ it is. LOL. We can enjoy it what what is is because thatís all we got, but it doesnít scream 21st century D-1 football to me.


Do you go to games at Peden stadium? Were you at games like Miami in 2015 when over 25,000 were in the stands? Do you go to attend games at other stadiums? I go to Navy games once in a while. They have 34,000 seats. When packed the atmosphere is not much different than Peden but when the crowd is low its cavernous. How is Peden not 21st century with the landscaping, press tower and sook center with a modern IPF siting right behind it? Granted it needs some maintenance but its an attractive venue from the outside and designed to flex for larger/smaller crowds.

Well I live 1000 miles away, but I do go to a few games there each year as well as usually 1 OOC game as well. Wyoming, NMSU, Minnesota, Missouri, Penn State, NW, Kansas, UMass to name a few as well as quite a few MAC sites so I kinda get the experience thing to compare to. I will say that I went to a UC Davis (FCS) game a few years back and it beat our vibe. Sook is nice and I usually use that when Iím there. Just walk under the stands and I get the feel of a prison(dark, musty) not a modern stadium. The indoor practice facility looks okay, but itís pretty basic compared to others being built these days. Thatís probably okay for us. And the flying stands just donít make it look out of place to me. Makes it look like a put together place not seamless. The press tower seems just small and not a lot of inside seating for fans. Listen, Iím not for a new stadium and they continue to upgrade what we have with new scoreboard, sound etc. thatís okay. I accept Peden,etc for what it is, but Iím an alum. Not sure it impresses recruits.

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   Posted: 11/8/2019 2:04:39 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
With some on here I feel like jealousy that we don't have what LSU has is driving the negativity. Clear path to the national championship. Joey Burrow at quarterback. 100,000 seat stadium and everyone talking about the game. We are not a large land grant university in the SEC. Ohio is a mid sized school that by virtue of its long D1 tradition and its location in a Top 5 recruiting state can project itself as a mid tier FBS program. Compare our situation to New Hampshire athletics and it looks impressive. Convo and Peden are huge relative to a campus that was designed for 15,000 undergraduates.


I'm not jealous of LSU at all. Ohio has never been at that level and never will, barring any MAJOR donation from an unknown source. And even then, the odds are still stacked against us.

We will never play for a CFP championship. But, we can aspire to be the best team in the MAC at the very least.



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   Posted: 11/8/2019 2:59:37 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
The pitch of the grand stands in Peden is too flat. Even when there's a big crowd, noise is not concentrated on the field. The overall stadium experience is ordinary. Nothing too special. It's nice that it's an old stadium, and the new addition in the end zone looks nice, but I don't consider Peden as offering any sort of unique game atmosphere.

Having said that, I'm not lobbying for a new stadium. I just don't get your point that Peden is somehow unique and a big advantage. I guess that's your point.


Well have you been to Peden lately since they've installed the new sound stadium with speakers that direct sound down to the field level? Sight lines are better with the slopes in the newer stadiums but they feel small. You never get a feel that Peden has too many seats in it like most MAC stadiums that is why its nice at 13k-14k. Then when its packed with the horseshoe/bowl configuration it feels like a big time atmosphere. For a G5 program its a solid stadium at this point and good enough for the program's aspirations. I question whether more facilities are even necessary. Better tailgating rules and donor levels should be revamped because its ticking people off.


Peden is a quaint historic venue, but under no circumstance is there a big time atmosphere. Besides we never fill it anymore and wonít until we get better than 9-4. Itís been discussed in here for years about the decline in attendance causes so iíll let that ride for now.( good student attendance the other day-itís amazing what the results are when you give away something).
The add on sections just look so weird to me, they look so out of place and makes the stadium
disjointed. Theyíre upgrading it some, but itís still antiquated in so many ways. Crumbling concrete, rusty pipes, and cracking paint all need updated. Since parts have been falling off, Iím not sure how ďsolidĒ it is. LOL. We can enjoy it what what is is because thatís all we got, but it doesnít scream 21st century D-1 football to me.


Do you go to games at Peden stadium? Were you at games like Miami in 2015 when over 25,000 were in the stands? Do you go to attend games at other stadiums? I go to Navy games once in a while. They have 34,000 seats. When packed the atmosphere is not much different than Peden but when the crowd is low its cavernous. How is Peden not 21st century with the landscaping, press tower and sook center with a modern IPF siting right behind it? Granted it needs some maintenance but its an attractive venue from the outside and designed to flex for larger/smaller crowds.

Well I live 1000 miles away, but I do go to a few games there each year as well as usually 1 OOC game as well. Wyoming, NMSU, Minnesota, Missouri, Penn State, NW, Kansas, UMass to name a few as well as quite a few MAC sites so I kinda get the experience thing to compare to. I will say that I went to a UC Davis (FCS) game a few years back and it beat our vibe. Sook is nice and I usually use that when Iím there. Just walk under the stands and I get the feel of a prison(dark, musty) not a modern stadium. The indoor practice facility looks okay, but itís pretty basic compared to others being built these days. Thatís probably okay for us. And the flying stands just donít make it look out of place to me. Makes it look like a put together place not seamless. The press tower seems just small and not a lot of inside seating for fans. Listen, Iím not for a new stadium and they continue to upgrade what we have with new scoreboard, sound etc. thatís okay. I accept Peden,etc for what it is, but Iím an alum. Not sure it impresses recruits.


Thanks for the details. What I'm saying is its acceptable (which is what I met by solid) on the G5 recruiting trail. Games I've been to like Idaho, Marshall, HC games some of the best attended games felt big time to me sitting up higher in the main stands but smaller crowds are alright with the configuration. One thing I do notice about the program is while it can pull players across the state it doesn't have pull in a lot of guys in the surrounding states. Pennsylvania I would think has guys at smaller programs that could walk on that for them going to Athens would be playing football in a similar area.


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   Posted: 11/8/2019 8:53:59 PM 
All D1 schools are at the same level?? If that what you are suggesting, Iím. W/O comment. It speaks for itself.
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   Posted: 11/8/2019 8:55:35 PM 
Agreed!
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   Posted: 11/8/2019 9:15:24 PM 
Maddog13 wrote:
Oh, stop, Frank is going to be allowed to go out on his own terms. Was the loss last night disappointing, even heart breaking? Absolutely, but this team has been disappointing since the beginning of the season. As for all the Hype leading into this season, it was just that: Hype. When push has come to shove, neither the Offensive Line of Ohio nor has our Defense been able to deliver in an impressive manner. Frankly, Miami won last night, because they simply wanted it more. Nothing more, nothing less. We will see how the Bobcats respond to all of this. Do they get angry and win out or do they just fold and prove all of us doubters right. Forget the MAC championship, it is obviously not meant to be for whatever reason. However, Ohio teams have always been known for their toughness and fight, so it is time to begin showing some of that. If nothing else for Pride's sake. As for Frank, he was an undersized player in his day, who gave it his all. I just wish we could see some of that from players other than Mr. Rourke. Unfortunately, I am not sure that is something that you can teach.


+1.

I was at the stadium at 6:30.

The first thing I saw were Fiami players with no shirts.

Albeit that doesnít mean much as my first thought was simply grandstanding idiots.

But as it got closer to kick off all I could think was man Fiami really wants this one.
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   Posted: 11/9/2019 12:26:28 PM 
This staff canít coach in big games. Miami came into our house with a freshman qb and a banged up offensive line and beat us. Our dbís are not as good as their peers, we give up way too many explosive plays. Every-time we come to this road, woe is me folks complain about the stadium, this is low level division 1 football. These players want to win every game, we spend millions on recruiting, the university wants to win and Frank Solich is probably the highest paid employee. This is not intramural where each week a different parent brings the Capri Suns, this is for tv contracts, championships and for moving to the next level. We need to recruit better, we need a killer instinct and we need to hold people accountable.
This was not Rourkeís fault, he is the best that we ever had. This was poor play-calling, poor preparation and poor play. We also looked like the OU Browns with all the penalties. I am trying my hardest not to use the m word, stop with all the excuses.


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   Posted: 11/10/2019 12:37:01 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
The pitch of the grand stands in Peden is too flat. Even when there's a big crowd, noise is not concentrated on the field. The overall stadium experience is ordinary. Nothing too special. It's nice that it's an old stadium, and the new addition in the end zone looks nice, but I don't consider Peden as offering any sort of unique game atmosphere.

Having said that, I'm not lobbying for a new stadium. I just don't get your point that Peden is somehow unique and a big advantage. I guess that's your point.


Well have you been to Peden lately since they've installed the new sound stadium with speakers that direct sound down to the field level? Sight lines are better with the slopes in the newer stadiums but they feel small. You never get a feel that Peden has too many seats in it like most MAC stadiums that is why its nice at 13k-14k. Then when its packed with the horseshoe/bowl configuration it feels like a big time atmosphere. For a G5 program its a solid stadium at this point and good enough for the program's aspirations. I question whether more facilities are even necessary. Better tailgating rules and donor levels should be revamped because its ticking people off.


Peden is a quaint historic venue, but under no circumstance is there a big time atmosphere. Besides we never fill it anymore and wonít until we get better than 9-4. Itís been discussed in here for years about the decline in attendance causes so iíll let that ride for now.( good student attendance the other day-itís amazing what the results are when you give away something).
The add on sections just look so weird to me, they look so out of place and makes the stadium
disjointed. Theyíre upgrading it some, but itís still antiquated in so many ways. Crumbling concrete, rusty pipes, and cracking paint all need updated. Since parts have been falling off, Iím not sure how ďsolidĒ it is. LOL. We can enjoy it what what is is because thatís all we got, but it doesnít scream 21st century D-1 football to me.


Do you go to games at Peden stadium? Were you at games like Miami in 2015 when over 25,000 were in the stands? Do you go to attend games at other stadiums? I go to Navy games once in a while. They have 34,000 seats. When packed the atmosphere is not much different than Peden but when the crowd is low its cavernous. How is Peden not 21st century with the landscaping, press tower and sook center with a modern IPF siting right behind it? Granted it needs some maintenance but its an attractive venue from the outside and designed to flex for larger/smaller crowds.

Well I live 1000 miles away, but I do go to a few games there each year as well as usually 1 OOC game as well. Wyoming, NMSU, Minnesota, Missouri, Penn State, NW, Kansas, UMass to name a few as well as quite a few MAC sites so I kinda get the experience thing to compare to. I will say that I went to a UC Davis (FCS) game a few years back and it beat our vibe. Sook is nice and I usually use that when Iím there. Just walk under the stands and I get the feel of a prison(dark, musty) not a modern stadium. The indoor practice facility looks okay, but itís pretty basic compared to others being built these days. Thatís probably okay for us. And the flying stands just donít make it look out of place to me. Makes it look like a put together place not seamless. The press tower seems just small and not a lot of inside seating for fans. Listen, Iím not for a new stadium and they continue to upgrade what we have with new scoreboard, sound etc. thatís okay. I accept Peden,etc for what it is, but Iím an alum. Not sure it impresses recruits.


Sook has been open for a very short time. You go back 10 years of games and then state you usually use Sook Thatís interesting, unless youíve flown in for every game, you havenít used Sook that often.
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   Posted: 11/10/2019 12:38:08 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
With some on here I feel like jealousy that we don't have what LSU has is driving the negativity. Clear path to the national championship. Joey Burrow at quarterback. 100,000 seat stadium and everyone talking about the game. We are not a large land grant university in the SEC. Ohio is a mid sized school that by virtue of its long D1 tradition and its location in a Top 5 recruiting state can project itself as a mid tier FBS program. Compare our situation to New Hampshire athletics and it looks impressive. Convo and Peden are huge relative to a campus that was designed for 15,000 undergraduates.


I'm not jealous of LSU at all. Ohio has never been at that level and never will, barring any MAJOR donation from an unknown source. And even then, the odds are still stacked against us.

We will never play for a CFP championship. But, we can aspire to be the best team in the MAC at the very least.


Well, we have hired a firm to sell naming rights to the Convo and Peden. So maybe that deal is close.
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   Posted: 11/10/2019 8:58:15 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
The pitch of the grand stands in Peden is too flat. Even when there's a big crowd, noise is not concentrated on the field. The overall stadium experience is ordinary. Nothing too special. It's nice that it's an old stadium, and the new addition in the end zone looks nice, but I don't consider Peden as offering any sort of unique game atmosphere.

Having said that, I'm not lobbying for a new stadium. I just don't get your point that Peden is somehow unique and a big advantage. I guess that's your point.


Well have you been to Peden lately since they've installed the new sound stadium with speakers that direct sound down to the field level? Sight lines are better with the slopes in the newer stadiums but they feel small. You never get a feel that Peden has too many seats in it like most MAC stadiums that is why its nice at 13k-14k. Then when its packed with the horseshoe/bowl configuration it feels like a big time atmosphere. For a G5 program its a solid stadium at this point and good enough for the program's aspirations. I question whether more facilities are even necessary. Better tailgating rules and donor levels should be revamped because its ticking people off.


Peden is a quaint historic venue, but under no circumstance is there a big time atmosphere. Besides we never fill it anymore and wonít until we get better than 9-4. Itís been discussed in here for years about the decline in attendance causes so iíll let that ride for now.( good student attendance the other day-itís amazing what the results are when you give away something).
The add on sections just look so weird to me, they look so out of place and makes the stadium
disjointed. Theyíre upgrading it some, but itís still antiquated in so many ways. Crumbling concrete, rusty pipes, and cracking paint all need updated. Since parts have been falling off, Iím not sure how ďsolidĒ it is. LOL. We can enjoy it what what is is because thatís all we got, but it doesnít scream 21st century D-1 football to me.


Do you go to games at Peden stadium? Were you at games like Miami in 2015 when over 25,000 were in the stands? Do you go to attend games at other stadiums? I go to Navy games once in a while. They have 34,000 seats. When packed the atmosphere is not much different than Peden but when the crowd is low its cavernous. How is Peden not 21st century with the landscaping, press tower and sook center with a modern IPF siting right behind it? Granted it needs some maintenance but its an attractive venue from the outside and designed to flex for larger/smaller crowds.

Well I live 1000 miles away, but I do go to a few games there each year as well as usually 1 OOC game as well. Wyoming, NMSU, Minnesota, Missouri, Penn State, NW, Kansas, UMass to name a few as well as quite a few MAC sites so I kinda get the experience thing to compare to. I will say that I went to a UC Davis (FCS) game a few years back and it beat our vibe. Sook is nice and I usually use that when Iím there. Just walk under the stands and I get the feel of a prison(dark, musty) not a modern stadium. The indoor practice facility looks okay, but itís pretty basic compared to others being built these days. Thatís probably okay for us. And the flying stands just donít make it look out of place to me. Makes it look like a put together place not seamless. The press tower seems just small and not a lot of inside seating for fans. Listen, Iím not for a new stadium and they continue to upgrade what we have with new scoreboard, sound etc. thatís okay. I accept Peden,etc for what it is, but Iím an alum. Not sure it impresses recruits.


Sook has been open for a very short time. You go back 10 years of games and then state you usually use Sook Thatís interesting, unless youíve flown in for every game, you havenít used Sook that often.


Like I said, I only go to a few games a year. I use Sook now when I go. Just to clarify for those who need it.

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