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bshot44
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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 12:27:41 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:

We're on a roll, bshot44. Totally agree again. I'll try not to make this a habit! ;-)


Hahaha! Amen, brother!
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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 12:35:48 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
bobcat695 wrote:
The 12 other programs (minus Liberty) have significantly tougher schedules every year. You can rip on their non-conference schedules, but they play 8 games every year vs the caliber of teams Ohio plays once (or less) per season in their conferences. I know there are weak P5 schools in every conference, but Maryland, Indiana, Vanderbilt and Kansas are still better than Kent. Most years, Ohio's schedule looks like ESPN's Bottom 10.

I am tired of expecting more than this, but I also recognize that I am in the minority of Bobcat fans. I probably expect too much, but the product is boring. I love OU, but cannot justify the time and money I spend for the experience we receive. Next year, I am likely to allocate my resources elsewhere for the first time in 28 seasons. I will probably get criticized for it here, but I'd love to see the advantages/disadvantages chart to sell me on spending between 3-4K of non-deductible cash on MAC football.


Well, if you are concerned over being ranked and embarrassed by MAC football you will be happier in bigger stadiums. I am a small town person and will follow Ohio as a fan of every player. Winning or losing I will take enjoyment from first TDs for Cox or Buckner, Ouellete's next 100 yard game, White climbing the career receiving charts and youngsters turning fumbles and blocked punts into TDs. There is this book "More Than Winning."



Can we please carry this "More than Winning" thought over to the basketball forum as well? It's why I sometimes say there's a difference between a "fan", and a "supporter".

While I know I'm sometimes critical of Frank and his staff, I also recognize this 10 year achievement that Mike is highlighting is noteworthy. Stability in the coaching staff is a good thing, and the lack of it is a reason some of our peer MAC schools don't have this type of consecutive winning season streak.

That said, the need to change some things in an attempt to get over the hump is something that Ohio Football should be doing. I'm absolutely not a recruiting or X's and O's guru, but some here are. For some level heads, where can there be something changed to balance the status quo, which clearly isn't bad, and getting to the next step? For me, it's avoiding that one egg laying game each year - this year the Miami or NIU game's. How that gets done is a mystery to me though.


Pretty much all I've been trying to say in a nutshell.

The run of non-losing seasons is something ... not denying that.

But when that becomes the status quo and the thought of ever exceeding that becomes greed ... it's laughable.

They are RIGHTthere in terms of making that leap to the next level ... the level where THEY are the team everyone in the East is gunning for. The dominant MAC program that consistently punches their ticket to Detroit.

You realize that Ohio is just a few plays away from going to the MAC title game 7 times in Frank's 14 years? 2007, 2017 & 2018 they were one faceplant from doing it. But those close calls nearly equals the number of times they have been there.

And I'm greedy because I'd like to see Detroit be a yearly thing ... or winning a MAC title is more than a bi-century accomplishment.

Jeez.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years (NT)
   Posted: 11/16/2018 12:41:57 PM 
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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 1:17:29 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
ExCat21 wrote:
BShot44.....why do you continue to follow Ohio if all we ever do is play cupcakes and disappoint you every year? Speaking of 3 year olds you complain more than a 3 year old. Its okay to be frustrated I get it. But its the MAC where every team is just about even in talent. This isnt Big Ten ball where OSU beats the Indianas of the world every year.
Nothing is ever good enough for you and its pretty pathetic to be honest. Goodness! You would have died of a heartattack before the Solich era when we ran up the middle on 3rd and 15 in the Knorr Era. Say what you want but I will take consistency over what I had to endure in the previous regime.



C'mon man. Continue to compartmentalize my posts.

I am well aware of the previous regimes. I was roaming the campus in Athens well before you put on your cleats for Paducah Tilghman.

Where have I once said that I think the Solich era sucks and I think we should be going 13-0 (8-0) every year?

The Knorr era was awful ... as you can attest to. But try living thru the Lichtenberg era when Ohio went 0-11! That's the bottom of the barrel.

I think it's great the consistency that Solich has brought to the program. And no freakin' s**t I'd take this over what preceded him.

And if you're cool with 14 years of consistent 7-8 win seasons ... with an occasional 9-win year thrown in ... and zero MAC titles. Fine. I really don't give a damn! It. Does. Not. Matter. To. Me.

My expectations are higher. I enjoyed the Buffalo thrashing ... I was there for the Toledo thumping in 2017. I was also at the MAC title losses in 2006, 2011 and 2016. I was in Lawrence for the Kansas ass-kicking ... and in Cincinnati for the UC stomach-punch. The Kareem Wilson coming out party at Maryland ... I was there. Hookfin & Co running for 600+ in Ypslanti ... check. I spent a huge chunk of the fall the last 23 years supporting this program.

Does Ohio football typically leave me a bit disappointed most years ... yeah. I'd say that's accurate. It's hard not to be disappointed when you flush another MAC title chance down the drain because you shot yourself in the foot. If it didn't happen almost every year, we wouldn't have to talk about it! Hell, I was disppointed in 1997 after starting 8-1 when we lost at home to Miami and then drove to Huntington to watch us lose to Marshall and lose the MAC East. Am I not allowed to be disappointed? And if I am, am I not allowed to talk about it? I can't bring it up on a message board because you don't want to read it? Cmon.

As far as the schedule ... I never said, "all we ever do is play cupcakes". Those are your words ... you turned my comments into that. A pretty common occurrence on this site. Twisting and turning of comments to fit people's narratives. I simply said Ohio has made it a point to schedule for bowl eligibility ... to almost guarantee them 7 wins each year. I thought this year's out-of-conference was one of the best they've had in a while with UC and UVa. But I'm sorry ... look at the stats. Ohio has had one of the worst out-of-conference schedules in the MAC and the country the last 10+ years. And you couple that with the terrible MAC East they play in ... I'm not exacting making this stuff up. It's facts. Their base level goal is 2-2 in out-of-league games ... with the expecation that they will go 5-3 at worst in the horrible MAC East. It's not always worked out like that ... some years they get the 3-1 in the non-league and then go 4-4 in the MAC. Either way, they've found a comfort zone in scheduling that suits them well ... bowl eligibility every year. I know a lot of teams don't accomplish that. But with how Ohio schedules and with the resources they put into football ... that SHOULD be the worst-case result every year. That's the kind of program Frank has built ... no years of bottoming out. But also no championship years.

I don't know why it's so incredibly difficult to understand my passion for this team and my desire to see them exceed this level of consistency you all embrace and bathe in.

Sorry. I'd like to see the team rise about these inexplicable losses that cost them championships.

For that, I will not apologize.

Do you really think if I hated Ohio football, I would waste this much time here?

And do you think that I pour out every single thought and emotion I have for Ohio football on this message board?

C'mon. I spend 90% of the time on here replying to stuff. I'm rarely starting threads ... and when I do, it usually because I've stumbled into something interesting.

I know you guys are all looking for a bad guy since Monroe got booted off here. But don't put me in the same category. I'm not hijacking threads with random "ZERO MACC" posts.

I'm engaging in discussion and debate ... all in the good name of Ohio football.

If you don't like what I comment ... skip past it. You guys are the ones engaging me with the constant "nay-sayer" ... "whiner" ... "negativity" nonsense. I'll continue to respond.

The circle of life just keeps spinning.

One day we'll all celebrate a MAC title together .... right? I mean, it's the law of averages ... 50 years and counting? It has to happen eventually, doesn't it???



I appreciate your response and you were definitely a fan before I knew of Ohio's existence. Therefore, I mistakened your comments instead of realizing your passion for the program. So I apologize for my comment. And hopefully we can get one this year. But there is a slim hope for us. Ball State played competitive vs ND and hopefully BGs conference schedule helps them overcome Buffalo. And hopefully Buffalo has the jitters with title on the line and last weeks beatdown. Hopefully they come out slow and Pelini remembers a few Defense packages to undercut Wrs. Problem with BG is they cant tackle. So they really need to stop Buffs run game first and mqke Jackson throw.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 1:54:48 PM 
ExCat21 wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
ExCat21 wrote:
BShot44.....why do you continue to follow Ohio if all we ever do is play cupcakes and disappoint you every year? Speaking of 3 year olds you complain more than a 3 year old. Its okay to be frustrated I get it. But its the MAC where every team is just about even in talent. This isnt Big Ten ball where OSU beats the Indianas of the world every year.
Nothing is ever good enough for you and its pretty pathetic to be honest. Goodness! You would have died of a heartattack before the Solich era when we ran up the middle on 3rd and 15 in the Knorr Era. Say what you want but I will take consistency over what I had to endure in the previous regime.



C'mon man. Continue to compartmentalize my posts.

I am well aware of the previous regimes. I was roaming the campus in Athens well before you put on your cleats for Paducah Tilghman.

Where have I once said that I think the Solich era sucks and I think we should be going 13-0 (8-0) every year?

The Knorr era was awful ... as you can attest to. But try living thru the Lichtenberg era when Ohio went 0-11! That's the bottom of the barrel.

I think it's great the consistency that Solich has brought to the program. And no freakin' s**t I'd take this over what preceded him.

And if you're cool with 14 years of consistent 7-8 win seasons ... with an occasional 9-win year thrown in ... and zero MAC titles. Fine. I really don't give a damn! It. Does. Not. Matter. To. Me.

My expectations are higher. I enjoyed the Buffalo thrashing ... I was there for the Toledo thumping in 2017. I was also at the MAC title losses in 2006, 2011 and 2016. I was in Lawrence for the Kansas ass-kicking ... and in Cincinnati for the UC stomach-punch. The Kareem Wilson coming out party at Maryland ... I was there. Hookfin & Co running for 600+ in Ypslanti ... check. I spent a huge chunk of the fall the last 23 years supporting this program.

Does Ohio football typically leave me a bit disappointed most years ... yeah. I'd say that's accurate. It's hard not to be disappointed when you flush another MAC title chance down the drain because you shot yourself in the foot. If it didn't happen almost every year, we wouldn't have to talk about it! Hell, I was disppointed in 1997 after starting 8-1 when we lost at home to Miami and then drove to Huntington to watch us lose to Marshall and lose the MAC East. Am I not allowed to be disappointed? And if I am, am I not allowed to talk about it? I can't bring it up on a message board because you don't want to read it? Cmon.

As far as the schedule ... I never said, "all we ever do is play cupcakes". Those are your words ... you turned my comments into that. A pretty common occurrence on this site. Twisting and turning of comments to fit people's narratives. I simply said Ohio has made it a point to schedule for bowl eligibility ... to almost guarantee them 7 wins each year. I thought this year's out-of-conference was one of the best they've had in a while with UC and UVa. But I'm sorry ... look at the stats. Ohio has had one of the worst out-of-conference schedules in the MAC and the country the last 10+ years. And you couple that with the terrible MAC East they play in ... I'm not exacting making this stuff up. It's facts. Their base level goal is 2-2 in out-of-league games ... with the expecation that they will go 5-3 at worst in the horrible MAC East. It's not always worked out like that ... some years they get the 3-1 in the non-league and then go 4-4 in the MAC. Either way, they've found a comfort zone in scheduling that suits them well ... bowl eligibility every year. I know a lot of teams don't accomplish that. But with how Ohio schedules and with the resources they put into football ... that SHOULD be the worst-case result every year. That's the kind of program Frank has built ... no years of bottoming out. But also no championship years.

I don't know why it's so incredibly difficult to understand my passion for this team and my desire to see them exceed this level of consistency you all embrace and bathe in.

Sorry. I'd like to see the team rise about these inexplicable losses that cost them championships.

For that, I will not apologize.

Do you really think if I hated Ohio football, I would waste this much time here?

And do you think that I pour out every single thought and emotion I have for Ohio football on this message board?

C'mon. I spend 90% of the time on here replying to stuff. I'm rarely starting threads ... and when I do, it usually because I've stumbled into something interesting.

I know you guys are all looking for a bad guy since Monroe got booted off here. But don't put me in the same category. I'm not hijacking threads with random "ZERO MACC" posts.

I'm engaging in discussion and debate ... all in the good name of Ohio football.

If you don't like what I comment ... skip past it. You guys are the ones engaging me with the constant "nay-sayer" ... "whiner" ... "negativity" nonsense. I'll continue to respond.

The circle of life just keeps spinning.

One day we'll all celebrate a MAC title together .... right? I mean, it's the law of averages ... 50 years and counting? It has to happen eventually, doesn't it???



I appreciate your response and you were definitely a fan before I knew of Ohio's existence. Therefore, I mistakened your comments instead of realizing your passion for the program. So I apologize for my comment. And hopefully we can get one this year. But there is a slim hope for us. Ball State played competitive vs ND and hopefully BGs conference schedule helps them overcome Buffalo. And hopefully Buffalo has the jitters with title on the line and last weeks beatdown. Hopefully they come out slow and Pelini remembers a few Defense packages to undercut Wrs. Problem with BG is they cant tackle. So they really need to stop Buffs run game first and mqke Jackson throw.



All good man! I will be crossing my fingers for Ball State and BG this week as well. I have no doubt Ohio is the best team in the MAC this year (and last year for that matter) ... and it's a damn shame they put themselves in a position again to not raise a trophy to solidify it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 1:55:36 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
bshot44 wrote:


And they've had team in playoff every year ... won multiple national titles ... etc.

So hard to knock ... even tho I hate them and fully believe the ESPN bias towards them.

Until someone can knock them from their perch for more than just a year ... I doubt they'll change their operating procedure


Hmmmm? ESPN bias or is the league just plain better (and filled with more talent) than every other league? Somebody has to be the best league and you said it yourself, until somebody knocks them off then they'll stay at the top and garner the most national media attention. I don't understand what's so hard to understand here. This is typically the first thing that comes out of an buckeye fans' mouth after they underachieve.


Please! I hope you are not assuming I'm a Buckeye fan. Man, that is literally the worst thing I've ever been called on here.

I think ESPN has a bias because it helps their business. They own the SEC Network. So they do everything they can to drive the agenda.

And explain to me why the SEC has three of the top 7 teams in CFP ratings ... and one of those is a two-loss team?!?

I could give a flying f**k about Ohio State .... it's the Washington State's, WVU's, UCF's that I would like to see get a more fair shake.

Those teams are not looked upon the same way SEC teams are. They just aren't.

Until the playoff expands to 8, they won't either.

We're staring down another multiple bid SEC CFP if UGA can beat Bama ... while potential 12-1, 11-1 and 13-0 conference champions get left out.

That's where the bias is


Well, you see, I never did say you were a buckeye fan. Just that you share the same opinion as a lot of them. Is espn the cfp committee? Are they choosing who makes the top 10? The SEC has 3 of the top 7 because they play in the best conference in the nation. Its obvious that's the way the committee feels and until there is a major drop off and another conference steps up that's just how it is. I'm all for multiple SEC teams because THEY ARE THE BEST TEAMS IN THE COUNTRY. Why would anybody want WASHINGTON STATE in? They will get run over by Georgia or Alabama or even LSU for that matter. And don't start with UCF. If they really want a shot at the big boys then schedule them in the regular season. That's their only route in. They want close games in the playoffs so that's why smaller schools will always be left out. It's not going to change. I don't even know if expanding to 8 teams will give them a chance.


Close games? Really?

2014-15
Oregon 59
Florida St 20

Ohio State 42
Oregon 20

2015-16
Clemson 37
Oklahoma 17

Alabama 38
Michigan St 0

2016-17
Clemson 31
Ohio St 0

Alabama 24
Washington 7

2017-18
Alabama 24
Clemson 6

Those are close games?!?

That's 7 out of the 12 games in the CFP that were decided by 17 points or more.

Not. Close. Games.

And for argument's sake ...

2014-15
Boise 38
Arizona 30

2015-16
Houston 38
Florida St 24

2016-17
Wisconsin 24
Western Michigan 16

2017-18
UCF 34
Auburn 27

That's three out of the four years the G5 team has beaten the P5 team in the NY6 game ... and the one year it didn't happen, it was an 8-point game.

What's wrong with giving the off-brand teams a shot if they deserve it? You think winning the PAC-12 on the field isn't worthy of going to the CFP compared to a team that doesn't even win its division of the SEC?

Why is the NCAA basketball tournament so incredibly popular and exciting ... it's not because we get Duke, Kansas, Kentucky and North Carolina in the final four each year... it's because we don't!

You don't think having a 10-team playoff wouldn't provide any excitement?

Sure ... it might turn into the Alabama Invitational much as the FCS did with North Dakota State.

But wouldn't it be nice if each season, you started the year by thinking you had a shot to get in? Just like basketball.

Why shouldn't the Sun Belt, MAC, CUSA, AAC, MWC get a couple auto-bids into a 10-team field? Who cares if they lose 56-7 ... it's not much worse than it is now when Ohio State is getting drummed 31-0 by Clemson?

Give the top two teams byes ...

Wk 1
#7 vs. #10
#8 vs. #9

Wk 2
#1 vs. Winner of 7/10
#2 vs. Winner of 8/9
#3 vs. #5
#4 vs. #6

Wk 3
#1/7/10 Winner vs. #4/6 Winner
#2/8/9 Winner vs. #3/5 Winner

Wk 4
Title game

What might that look like this year?

Wk 1
UCF vs. Georgia
Utah State vs. Oklahoma

Wk 2
Alabama vs. Utah State/Oklahoma
Michigan vs. Washington State

Clemson vs. UCF/Georgia Winner
Notre Dame vs. West Virginia

... and play the brackets out from there.

You don't think that would be better than?

Alabama vs. Michigan
Notre Dame vs. Clemson



1) You seem to think I don't want an expanded playoff? Pretty much anybody that isn't a Bama or Clemson fan wants an expanded playoff.

2) You think by placing UCF or WSU in there to face Alabama would be any closer of a game? There's a reason the committee wants Alabama in every year...its b/c their roster is plain better than everybody. They deserve to be in every single year until there is a drop off. The committee doesn't predict the future, they are just in charge of putting the best products in the final 4. The more blowouts by there are the way it is right now, the less likely smaller programs get a shot.

3) By adding more teams to the mix, regular season schedules will get weaker. You don't like that.

4) The PAC 12 suckssssssssssss.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 2:04:54 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

1) You seem to think I don't want an expanded playoff? Pretty much anybody that isn't a Bama or Clemson fan wants an expanded playoff.

2) You think by placing UCF or WSU in there to face Alabama would be any closer of a game? There's a reason the committee wants Alabama in every year...its b/c their roster is plain better than everybody. They deserve to be in every single year until there is a drop off. The committee doesn't predict the future, they are just in charge of putting the best products in the final 4. The more blowouts by there are the way it is right now, the less likely smaller programs get a shot.

3) By adding more teams to the mix, regular season schedules will get weaker. You don't like that.

4) The PAC 12 suckssssssssssss.


Well it seems we're in agreement on an expanded playoff ... just not the participants, ha!

I agree the PAC-12 is not on par with the SEC. Nor is the ACC.

Let's be honest ... Northwestern and Pitt are playing in their league title games? C'mon!

It's all a mess ... no doubt.

But CFB is its own worst enemy ... they keep making the divide between the haves and have-nots bigger and bigger. Why not be inclusive? what's the point of even having G5 leagues if they're not even remotely respected.

P5 teams won't play them. That's why UCF has a weaker SOS.

They did destroy Pitt ... the same Pitt team that will play Clemson for the ACC title. And if Clemson loses, you don't think they'll still make the playoff? Or if they win a close game, it won't be looked at as a quality win in a championship game? Double-standard. UCF gets zero credit for that win.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 2:05:16 PM 
Look, here's the reality on this board. ALL of us Bobcat fans are really happy with the overall record of the team during the Solich years - especially those of us who can remember the many seasons prior to his arrival. Except for a few seasons, a total train wreck.

Some of you are content with just this and fret about how OHIO football will perform once Coach Solich is gone, whenever and however that comes to pass. Others of us have an expectation that the program should continue to improve, continue to reach new heights, and that a MAC championship is certainly a bar which should be cleared.

That's not to say that anyone on here doesn't want a MAC title. But given that Coach Solich and staff have not achieved that yet, some are not willing to risk the status quo to make the staff changes which might clear that bar at some point, and some are willing to do just that.
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   Posted: 11/16/2018 2:13:05 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

1) You seem to think I don't want an expanded playoff? Pretty much anybody that isn't a Bama or Clemson fan wants an expanded playoff.

2) You think by placing UCF or WSU in there to face Alabama would be any closer of a game? There's a reason the committee wants Alabama in every year...its b/c their roster is plain better than everybody. They deserve to be in every single year until there is a drop off. The committee doesn't predict the future, they are just in charge of putting the best products in the final 4. The more blowouts by there are the way it is right now, the less likely smaller programs get a shot.

3) By adding more teams to the mix, regular season schedules will get weaker. You don't like that.

4) The PAC 12 suckssssssssssss.


Well it seems we're in agreement on an expanded playoff ... just not the participants, ha!

I agree the PAC-12 is not on par with the SEC. Nor is the ACC.

Let's be honest ... Northwestern and Pitt are playing in their league title games? C'mon!

It's all a mess ... no doubt.

But CFB is its own worst enemy ... they keep making the divide between the haves and have-nots bigger and bigger. Why not be inclusive? what's the point of even having G5 leagues if they're not even remotely respected.

P5 teams won't play them. That's why UCF has a weaker SOS.

They did destroy Pitt ... the same Pitt team that will play Clemson for the ACC title. And if Clemson loses, you don't think they'll still make the playoff? Or if they win a close game, it won't be looked at as a quality win in a championship game? Double-standard. UCF gets zero credit for that win.


I'm all for inclusive. Every year I always wonder what happened the the principals the playoff was created on. Didn't they want to be more inclusive? Give the little guys a shot when deserved? They have made it impossible.
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   Posted: 11/16/2018 2:19:10 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

1) You seem to think I don't want an expanded playoff? Pretty much anybody that isn't a Bama or Clemson fan wants an expanded playoff.

2) You think by placing UCF or WSU in there to face Alabama would be any closer of a game? There's a reason the committee wants Alabama in every year...its b/c their roster is plain better than everybody. They deserve to be in every single year until there is a drop off. The committee doesn't predict the future, they are just in charge of putting the best products in the final 4. The more blowouts by there are the way it is right now, the less likely smaller programs get a shot.

3) By adding more teams to the mix, regular season schedules will get weaker. You don't like that.

4) The PAC 12 suckssssssssssss.


Well it seems we're in agreement on an expanded playoff ... just not the participants, ha!

I agree the PAC-12 is not on par with the SEC. Nor is the ACC.

Let's be honest ... Northwestern and Pitt are playing in their league title games? C'mon!

It's all a mess ... no doubt.

But CFB is its own worst enemy ... they keep making the divide between the haves and have-nots bigger and bigger. Why not be inclusive? what's the point of even having G5 leagues if they're not even remotely respected.

P5 teams won't play them. That's why UCF has a weaker SOS.

They did destroy Pitt ... the same Pitt team that will play Clemson for the ACC title. And if Clemson loses, you don't think they'll still make the playoff? Or if they win a close game, it won't be looked at as a quality win in a championship game? Double-standard. UCF gets zero credit for that win.


I'm all for inclusive. Every year I always wonder what happened the the principals the playoff was created on. Didn't they want to be more inclusive? Give the little guys a shot when deserved? They have made it impossible.


Totally agree. I think the CFP has made CFB worse. You go into the almost already knowing who is going to be in the final four ... if not, you know the handful of teams that have a legitimate chance.

UCF proves how one-sided it is. The go 13-0 last year ... beat Auburn in a bowl game. 14-0. Everyone says ... it was a fluke. They lose their coach ... and boom, here they are undefeated again ... and once again, zero chance to make the playoff.

Washington State is 10-1 in the PAC-12 and will need a lot of help to get into the playoff. You think if USC or Oregon or Stanford was 10-1 they'd be in trouble?

Same goes for WVU (I know they are a game short with a potential big win vs. NC State) ... but they are in trouble even if they sweep Oklahoma.

I said it earlier ... there is a real chance that we see three power five teams get left out this year (PAC-12, B1G and Big XII) if Georgia beats Alabama in the SEC title game. You'd have Bama, UGA, Clemson and ND.

What a joke.
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   Posted: 11/16/2018 2:32:52 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

I'm all for inclusive. Every year I always wonder what happened the the principals the playoff was created on. Didn't they want to be more inclusive? Give the little guys a shot when deserved? They have made it impossible.


This post, by itself, highlights why I watch less college football every year. And why I belittle most of the bowl "system" in place now. For me, the only purpose college football serves nowadays, is a social gathering opportunity. Meet friends somewhere, talk sports, have beers, catch up and hang out. I hardly even watch the game in those instances. That, of course, is besides Ohio games (or UC since that's a family thing).


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   Posted: 11/16/2018 2:36:30 PM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
What follows is not presented as an apology or defense of the Solich years. Instead I relate it as one sign of positive consistency.

130 FBS programs. Question: How many have not had a losing season since 2008?

Here are the programs that have not experienced a losing record during the last 10 seasons:

Alabama
LSU
Georgia

Penn State
Wisconsin

Stanford
USC

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Florida State (streak might end this year)
Virginia Tech

Liberty (An FCS and FBS transition team during the past 10 years)

Boise

Ohio

Total: 14


How many teams on this list haven't won a conference championship during that 10 year span. I think most have, so we are definitely "unique"!

The consistent above average performance is nice. It's so much better than what it used to be, however I think Bobcat fans are tired of the monotony. Our fan interest has to be at a low point in that 10 year span. We can't even fill Peden for Homecoming and our team was picked to win the MAC, so plenty of reasons for fans to take interest and attend games - especially since there are so few Saturday games. I would love to know what the traffic is on BA these days. Would the moderators be willing to give us an idea how it compares to 5 and 10 years ago? I'm going to guess that it's a lot lower than it used to be. Why? I think fans are having a harder time getting excited about mediocrity. Ok, ok, winning a few more games than we lose each year qualifies as a tad better than mediocre but to a fan, it's not awesome and therefore, it's the same boring thing. Am I wrong here?
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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 3:00:43 PM 
CA Bobcat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
What follows is not presented as an apology or defense of the Solich years. Instead I relate it as one sign of positive consistency.

130 FBS programs. Question: How many have not had a losing season since 2008?

Here are the programs that have not experienced a losing record during the last 10 seasons:

Alabama
LSU
Georgia

Penn State
Wisconsin

Stanford
USC

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Florida State (streak might end this year)
Virginia Tech

Liberty (An FCS and FBS transition team during the past 10 years)

Boise

Ohio

Total: 14


How many teams on this list haven't won a conference championship during that 10 year span. I think most have, so we are definitely "unique"!

The consistent above average performance is nice. It's so much better than what it used to be, however I think Bobcat fans are tired of the monotony. Our fan interest has to be at a low point in that 10 year span. We can't even fill Peden for Homecoming and our team was picked to win the MAC, so plenty of reasons for fans to take interest and attend games - especially since there are so few Saturday games. I would love to know what the traffic is on BA these days. Would the moderators be willing to give us an idea how it compares to 5 and 10 years ago? I'm going to guess that it's a lot lower than it used to be. Why? I think fans are having a harder time getting excited about mediocrity. Ok, ok, winning a few more games than we lose each year qualifies as a tad better than mediocre but to a fan, it's not awesome and therefore, it's the same boring thing. Am I wrong here?


Nope. Not wrong to me
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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 3:10:03 PM 
CA Bobcat wrote:
I would love to know what the traffic is on BA these days. Would the moderators be willing to give us an idea how it compares to 5 and 10 years ago? I'm going to guess that it's a lot lower than it used to be. Why? I think fans are having a harder time getting excited about mediocrity. Ok, ok, winning a few more games than we lose each year qualifies as a tad better than mediocre but to a fan, it's not awesome and therefore, it's the same boring thing. Am I wrong here?


I think BAers are having a difficult time getting excited about the opposition. Every year we have home games vs a 1AA school and generally a so-so G5 school. This year it was Howard and UMass. Last year it was Hampton and Kansas (the functional equivalent of a so-so G5 school then). The next four years are pretty much the same: Rhode Island and La-Lafayette (just call me "Louisiana") next year; Delaware St with at least a big rival, T'erd, in 2020; Norfolk State and Cincy (maybe without Fickel, who's become a hot commodity) in 2021; and FAU and Fordham in 2022. Not a lot there to get pumped up about. Some of the road games are interesting: T'erd and Pitt next year; BC and TexSt in '20; Louisiana and NWern in '21; and Syracuse and IowaSt in '22. Right now we have an open home date in '23. We have FAU and Rutgers on the road, and only IowaSt at home. It would be great if we could fill that second home date with a quality G5 or at least a mid-level "P" team.


We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 4:43:15 PM 
If indeed the Bearcats play in Peden in a few years, will Ohio fans be willing to pay $45-$50 for a ticket? We have many fans who complain about the prices now.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 7:32:00 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
CA Bobcat wrote:
I would love to know what the traffic is on BA these days. Would the moderators be willing to give us an idea how it compares to 5 and 10 years ago? I'm going to guess that it's a lot lower than it used to be. Why? I think fans are having a harder time getting excited about mediocrity. Ok, ok, winning a few more games than we lose each year qualifies as a tad better than mediocre but to a fan, it's not awesome and therefore, it's the same boring thing. Am I wrong here?


I think BAers are having a difficult time getting excited about the opposition. Every year we have home games vs a 1AA school and generally a so-so G5 school. This year it was Howard and UMass. Last year it was Hampton and Kansas (the functional equivalent of a so-so G5 school then). The next four years are pretty much the same: Rhode Island and La-Lafayette (just call me "Louisiana") next year; Delaware St with at least a big rival, T'erd, in 2020; Norfolk State and Cincy (maybe without Fickel, who's become a hot commodity) in 2021; and FAU and Fordham in 2022. Not a lot there to get pumped up about. Some of the road games are interesting: T'erd and Pitt next year; BC and TexSt in '20; Louisiana and NWern in '21; and Syracuse and IowaSt in '22. Right now we have an open home date in '23. We have FAU and Rutgers on the road, and only IowaSt at home. It would be great if we could fill that second home date with a quality G5 or at least a mid-level "P" team.


I think lack of attendance is endemic of what people choose to do these days. Today, there are so many other options for people (more specifically millennials) to do. Geez, even 7 years ago, my daughter’s sophomoreyear, the 1st game of the year, the Garner-Webb game, drew 23,000 people. An FCS team for Heaven’s sake. Now, like a previous poster said, Ohio cannot even draw that many people for a beautiful day on Homecoming. I’m still of the belief football’s popularity has peaked.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 9:28:59 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
doubledribble wrote:
Interesting list of 14 teams with consistent performance. No surprise who the first nay-sayer is to pile on as fast as possible. Amazing. His glass is forever half empty.


The truth is a bitter drink sometimes.

What part of my comment wasn't factually correct?



Lol. What part of doubledribble’s comment wasn’t factually correct?

Last Edited: 11/16/2018 9:30:40 PM by Sam bobcat

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   Posted: 11/16/2018 10:14:44 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
CA Bobcat wrote:
I would love to know what the traffic is on BA these days. Would the moderators be willing to give us an idea how it compares to 5 and 10 years ago? I'm going to guess that it's a lot lower than it used to be. Why? I think fans are having a harder time getting excited about mediocrity. Ok, ok, winning a few more games than we lose each year qualifies as a tad better than mediocre but to a fan, it's not awesome and therefore, it's the same boring thing. Am I wrong here?


I think BAers are having a difficult time getting excited about the opposition. Every year we have home games vs a 1AA school and generally a so-so G5 school. This year it was Howard and UMass. Last year it was Hampton and Kansas (the functional equivalent of a so-so G5 school then). The next four years are pretty much the same: Rhode Island and La-Lafayette (just call me "Louisiana") next year; Delaware St with at least a big rival, T'erd, in 2020; Norfolk State and Cincy (maybe without Fickel, who's become a hot commodity) in 2021; and FAU and Fordham in 2022. Not a lot there to get pumped up about. Some of the road games are interesting: T'erd and Pitt next year; BC and TexSt in '20; Louisiana and NWern in '21; and Syracuse and IowaSt in '22. Right now we have an open home date in '23. We have FAU and Rutgers on the road, and only IowaSt at home. It would be great if we could fill that second home date with a quality G5 or at least a mid-level "P" team.


I think lack of attendance is endemic of what people choose to do these days. Today, there are so many other options for people (more specifically millennials) to do. Geez, even 7 years ago, my daughter’s sophomoreyear, the 1st game of the year, the Garner-Webb game, drew 23,000 people. An FCS team for Heaven’s sake. Now, like a previous poster said, Ohio cannot even draw that many people for a beautiful day on Homecoming. I’m still of the belief football’s popularity has peaked.



I hear you on the general attendance issues across the country but what about BA traffic. To your point, people are using social media and interacting “online” more than ever so wouldn’t that suggest that BA would be more active? I’ve been on this board for 14 years and I think traffic, etc is probably near an all time low. I think that’s representative of how Bobcat fans feel...very “meh” about our football team (and basketball team...hell, volleyball even sucks now).
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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/16/2018 11:58:03 PM 
Sam bobcat wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
doubledribble wrote:
Interesting list of 14 teams with consistent performance. No surprise who the first nay-sayer is to pile on as fast as possible. Amazing. His glass is forever half empty.


The truth is a bitter drink sometimes.

What part of my comment wasn't factually correct?



Lol. What part of doubledribble’s comment wasn’t factually correct?


He provided nothing but commentary?

Not sure what you are LOL'ing about?
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   Posted: 11/17/2018 1:05:57 AM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
If indeed the Bearcats play in Peden in a few years, will Ohio fans be willing to pay $45-$50 for a ticket? We have many fans who complain about the prices now.


Uh - Travelling UC fans will.... so the answer is Yes...


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   Posted: 11/17/2018 1:08:59 AM 
Jeesh - Too much to read here...

So - Has Solich/Albin/D Backs recruiting been the REAL issue TY - Or Rourke late game bad decision turnovers/avoidable safeties etc. TY?


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  Message Not Read  RE: 10 years
   Posted: 11/17/2018 8:56:13 AM 
RSBobcat wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
If indeed the Bearcats play in Peden in a few years, will Ohio fans be willing to pay $45-$50 for a ticket? We have many fans who complain about the prices now.


Uh - Travelling UC fans will.... so the answer is Yes...


Personally I wouldn’t mind seeing Ohio play at Cincinnati again. Ohio fans travelled very well for that game. Saw tons of green. Went with my family and the final score notwithstanding we had a blast. They did a great job renovating that stadium.

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   Posted: 11/17/2018 9:18:26 AM 
Tickets prices for a Cincy home game at Peden would not be $45 or $50. Maybe $20 or $25 at the most. Its still SE Ohio. Birds and flies wouldn't fly over our stadium at $50 prices.

Last Edited: 11/17/2018 9:20:56 AM by ExCat21

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   Posted: 11/17/2018 10:48:11 AM 
ExCat21 wrote:
Tickets prices for a Cincy home game at Peden would not be $45 or $50. Maybe $20 or $25 at the most. Its still SE Ohio. Birds and flies wouldn't fly over our stadium at $50 prices.


Trust me, those tickets will attempt to go for 45-50 per ticket. Darn confident of that one.
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   Posted: 11/17/2018 11:08:21 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
Sam bobcat wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
doubledribble wrote:
Interesting list of 14 teams with consistent performance. No surprise who the first nay-sayer is to pile on as fast as possible. Amazing. His glass is forever half empty.


The truth is a bitter drink sometimes.

What part of my comment wasn't factually correct?



Lol. What part of doubledribble’s comment wasn’t factually correct?


He provided nothing but commentary?

Not sure what you are LOL'ing about?


Because yours was all opinion and commentary too.
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