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Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/18/2018 6:47:09 AM  If OUellette is sub 4.5.....wooooo buddy....me likely. Back to Top Sam bobcat General User Member Since: 7/14/2015 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/18/2018 8:04:19 AM  C Money wrote: If OUellette is sub 4.5.....wooooo buddy....me likely. Yeah that one surprised me. Apparently he cut 15 lbs and ran a 4.46. Bodes well for our offense that two running backs ran that fast. Julian Ross ran a 4.37. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,065 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/18/2018 3:23:08 PM  Sam bobcat wrote: 40 yd dash testing was today. I was told Papi White, AJ Oullette, Dylan Conner and Julian Ross all ran sub 4.5 40’s. The surprising name on that list is Dylan Conner. You expect to see wide receivers, cornerbacks, and running backs on the list of the fastest players on the team, but it's a surprise to see a linebacker make that list. Last Edited: 7/18/2018 3:23:30 PM by L.C. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Sam bobcat General User Member Since: 7/14/2015 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/18/2018 3:48:07 PM  L.C. wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: 40 yd dash testing was today. I was told Papi White, AJ Oullette, Dylan Conner and Julian Ross all ran sub 4.5 40’s. The surprising name on that list is Dylan Conner. You expect to see wide receivers, cornerbacks, and running backs on the list of the fastest players on the team, but it's a surprise to see a linebacker make that list. Yeah you’re right about that. I wasn’t surprised because Conner ran a 4.52 last fall, so everyone knew he was fast. AJ went from a 4.61 to a 4.46 which is why I was pleasantly surprised by his numbers. No doubt though, Conner may be the fastest linebacker in the conference this season. And the O line voted him “hardest hitter”. He will surprise some offensive coordinators this year. Back to Top Rufusbobcat94 General User Member Since: 6/13/2018 Post Count: 342 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/18/2018 8:56:00 PM  Sam bobcat wrote: L.C. wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: 40 yd dash testing was today. I was told Papi White, AJ Oullette, Dylan Conner and Julian Ross all ran sub 4.5 40’s. The surprising name on that list is Dylan Conner. You expect to see wide receivers, cornerbacks, and running backs on the list of the fastest players on the team, but it's a surprise to see a linebacker make that list. Yeah you’re right about that. I wasn’t surprised because Conner ran a 4.52 last fall, so everyone knew he was fast. AJ went from a 4.61 to a 4.46 which is why I was pleasantly surprised by his numbers. No doubt though, Conner may be the fastest linebacker in the conference this season. And the O line voted him “hardest hitter”. He will surprise some offensive coordinators this year. Well, sounds like Conner is one to see this fall: in addition to running perhaps the fastest at LB and hitting hardest, Arkley recently said in the Athens Messenger that he is 'regarded as perhaps the smartest player on the roster.' Cant wait to see what type of football player all those top-shelf attributes produce. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,065 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/18/2018 9:34:40 PM  Rufusbobcat94 wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: L.C. wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: 40 yd dash testing was today. I was told Papi White, AJ Oullette, Dylan Conner and Julian Ross all ran sub 4.5 40’s. The surprising name on that list is Dylan Conner. You expect to see wide receivers, cornerbacks, and running backs on the list of the fastest players on the team, but it's a surprise to see a linebacker make that list. Yeah you’re right about that. I wasn’t surprised because Conner ran a 4.52 last fall, so everyone knew he was fast. AJ went from a 4.61 to a 4.46 which is why I was pleasantly surprised by his numbers. No doubt though, Conner may be the fastest linebacker in the conference this season. And the O line voted him “hardest hitter”. He will surprise some offensive coordinators this year. Well, sounds like Conner is one to see this fall: in addition to running perhaps the fastest at LB and hitting hardest, Arkley recently said in the Athens Messenger that he is 'regarded as perhaps the smartest player on the roster.' Cant wait to see what type of football player all those top-shelf attributes produce. For those that think recruiting rankings are meaningful, obviously the fact that he's fast, smart, and hits hard are irrelevant. At 5'11", he's obviously too short to play linebacker, and after all, he was the lowest ranked player in Ohio's 2016 recruiting class: https://247sports.com/college/ohio/Season/2016-Football/C... Furthermore, he was considered the 2977th best potential recruit that year: https://247sports.com/player/dylan-conner-80314 When you consider that only about 2700 players get FBS scholarships every year, he clearly should have been walkon material, at best. For those that think that recruiting rankings at the G5 level are meaningless, he's a perfect example of why you can't take those rankings very seriously. With speed, intelligence, and also being a hard hitter, he has the potential to play himself into all-MAC consideration. Last Edited: 7/18/2018 9:35:33 PM by L.C. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Sam bobcat General User Member Since: 7/14/2015 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/18/2018 9:49:23 PM  Rufusbobcat94 wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: L.C. wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: 40 yd dash testing was today. I was told Papi White, AJ Oullette, Dylan Conner and Julian Ross all ran sub 4.5 40’s. The surprising name on that list is Dylan Conner. You expect to see wide receivers, cornerbacks, and running backs on the list of the fastest players on the team, but it's a surprise to see a linebacker make that list. Yeah you’re right about that. I wasn’t surprised because Conner ran a 4.52 last fall, so everyone knew he was fast. AJ went from a 4.61 to a 4.46 which is why I was pleasantly surprised by his numbers. No doubt though, Conner may be the fastest linebacker in the conference this season. And the O line voted him “hardest hitter”. He will surprise some offensive coordinators this year. Well, sounds like Conner is one to see this fall: in addition to running perhaps the fastest at LB and hitting hardest, Arkley recently said in the Athens Messenger that he is 'regarded as perhaps the smartest player on the roster.' Cant wait to see what type of football player all those top-shelf attributes produce. Hopefully the all-MAC type. I’m also interested to see if Evan Croutch plays weak side or middle. And who the third linebacker will be...Eric Popp? Jared Dorsa? Austin Clack? Or one of the younger players? I’m thinking Popp but it’s hard to tell right now. I guess we’ll have to wait for fall camp to figure that out. Tyler Gullett was the second fastest linebacker so if he shows improvement during fall camp who knows? I’m glad that we will have some depth at the position anyway. Back to Top Sam bobcat General User Member Since: 7/14/2015 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/18/2018 9:58:04 PM  L.C. wrote: Rufusbobcat94 wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: L.C. wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: 40 yd dash testing was today. I was told Papi White, AJ Oullette, Dylan Conner and Julian Ross all ran sub 4.5 40’s. The surprising name on that list is Dylan Conner. You expect to see wide receivers, cornerbacks, and running backs on the list of the fastest players on the team, but it's a surprise to see a linebacker make that list. Yeah you’re right about that. I wasn’t surprised because Conner ran a 4.52 last fall, so everyone knew he was fast. AJ went from a 4.61 to a 4.46 which is why I was pleasantly surprised by his numbers. No doubt though, Conner may be the fastest linebacker in the conference this season. And the O line voted him “hardest hitter”. He will surprise some offensive coordinators this year. Well, sounds like Conner is one to see this fall: in addition to running perhaps the fastest at LB and hitting hardest, Arkley recently said in the Athens Messenger that he is 'regarded as perhaps the smartest player on the roster.' Cant wait to see what type of football player all those top-shelf attributes produce. For those that think recruiting rankings are meaningful, obviously the fact that he's fast, smart, and hits hard are irrelevant. At 5'11", he's obviously too short to play linebacker, and after all, he was the lowest ranked player in Ohio's 2016 recruiting class: https://247sports.com/college/ohio/Season/2016-Football/C... Furthermore, he was considered the 2977th best potential recruit that year: https://247sports.com/player/dylan-conner-80314 When you consider that only about 2700 players get FBS scholarships every year, he clearly should have been walkon material, at best. For those that think that recruiting rankings at the G5 level are meaningless, he's a perfect example of why you can't take those rankings very seriously. With speed, intelligence, and also being a hard hitter, he has the potential to play himself into all-MAC consideration. Good point L.C., I didn’t know his ranking was that bad. Obviously the coaching staff are better judges of talent than recruiting “experts “. No surprise there! Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/19/2018 10:07:29 AM  Sam bobcat wrote: [Good point L.C., I didn’t know his ranking was that bad. Obviously the coaching staff are better judges of talent than recruiting “experts “. No surprise there! That could almost be a direct quote from Frank. Many times he’s said that we have we have our own ranking system and don’t pay any attention to these services. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,065 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/19/2018 10:12:13 AM  Sam bobcat wrote: Good point L.C., I didn’t know his ranking was that bad. Obviously the coaching staff are better judges of talent than recruiting “experts “. No surprise there! Don't feel bad about the bad rating. He's in good company. In recent years, the players rated at the bottom of the class have been: 2018 - Jerome Buckner, Keye Thompson, O'Shaan Allison 2017 - Hagan Meservy, Julian Ross 2016 - Dylan Conner, Amir Miller 2015 - Joshua Cooper, Joe Anderson 2014 - Brett Layton, Mitch Bonnstetter, Maleek Irons, Papi White, Kylan Nelson 2013 - Brenden Cope, Cam McLeod, Cleon Aloese, Durrell Wood, Troy Mangen You will note that virtually all of these not only played early in their career, they became starters, and many or most were All-MAC. Going back further, you'll find that the players who have been drafted were generally rated poorly. Only Basham, Price, and Mitchell were in the top half of the class, and none were near the top: 2013 - Quentin Poling - lower middle of class 2013 - Tarell Basham - upper third of class 2012 - Blair Brown - rated in bottom third of the class 2009 - TJ Carrie - not rated at all 2008 - Eric Herman - lower 1/3 of class 2007 - Lavon Brazill - 2d from bottom 2006 - Taylor Price - upper third of the class 2005 - Michael Mitchell - upper middle of class I think it is clear that the lowest rated players in most classes have been among the best players. That, presumably, is because the coaches are able to find some gems that no one else notices. Getting great players that everyone knows about is a bigger challenge because they have lots of competition for them. Based on history, I have high expectations for Buckner, Thompson, and Allison, since they are the bottom of the 2018 class. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Sam bobcat General User Member Since: 7/14/2015 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/19/2018 4:52:50 PM  L.C. wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: Good point L.C., I didn’t know his ranking was that bad. Obviously the coaching staff are better judges of talent than recruiting “experts “. No surprise there! Don't feel bad about the bad rating. He's in good company. In recent years, the players rated at the bottom of the class have been: 2018 - Jerome Buckner, Keye Thompson, O'Shaan Allison 2017 - Hagan Meservy, Julian Ross 2016 - Dylan Conner, Amir Miller 2015 - Joshua Cooper, Joe Anderson 2014 - Brett Layton, Mitch Bonnstetter, Maleek Irons, Papi White, Kylan Nelson 2013 - Brenden Cope, Cam McLeod, Cleon Aloese, Durrell Wood, Troy Mangen You will note that virtually all of these not only played early in their career, they became starters, and many or most were All-MAC. Going back further, you'll find that the players who have been drafted were generally rated poorly. Only Basham, Price, and Mitchell were in the top half of the class, and none were near the top: 2013 - Quentin Poling - lower middle of class 2013 - Tarell Basham - upper third of class 2012 - Blair Brown - rated in bottom third of the class 2009 - TJ Carrie - not rated at all 2008 - Eric Herman - lower 1/3 of class 2007 - Lavon Brazill - 2d from bottom 2006 - Taylor Price - upper third of the class 2005 - Michael Mitchell - upper middle of class I think it is clear that the lowest rated players in most classes have been among the best players. That, presumably, is because the coaches are able to find some gems that no one else notices. Getting great players that everyone knows about is a bigger challenge because they have lots of competition for them. Based on history, I have high expectations for Buckner, Thompson, and Allison, since they are the bottom of the 2018 class. Ratings and rankings coming out of high school don’t mean a lot because they can’t rate and measure the things that make starters and playmakers and future stars. Those are things like guts, and character, and a warrior mentality. Mental toughness and determination. All the young men who get recruited are great and talented athletes. But not all have what it takes of course. That’s why I find it so amusing when fans get upset about recruiting rankings. Those stars and numbers won’t tell you jack about who is going to be a player once they step onto a level where everyone is good. That’s not just G5. The P5 programs have the same issues we do. They don’t know which of the 3,4,and 5 star recruits will end up being ballers or bench sitters or transfers that can’t even win starting jobs on G5 teams. IMHO Solich is good at sniffing out gutsy, tough, warriors. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/20/2018 12:42:42 AM  Sam bobcat wrote: . . . IMHO Solich is good at sniffing out gutsy, tough, warriors. Yes, I really believe this is true. As L.C. has shown a lot of our stars . . . some now in the NFL . . . have come here with few or no stars from the rating services. Some of our stars have even been walk-ons. The way our walk-on program is structured it gives Frank and his coaches an opportunity to assess non-scholarship athletes and further "sniffing out' to find players that could contribute. Austin J. Ouellette might be the best example of "sniffing out" a starter from the ranks of the walk-ons. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Sam bobcat General User Member Since: 7/14/2015 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/20/2018 7:57:43 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: Sam bobcat wrote: . . . IMHO Solich is good at sniffing out gutsy, tough, warriors. Yes, I really believe this is true. As L.C. has shown a lot of our stars . . . some now in the NFL . . . have come here with few or no stars from the rating services. Some of our stars have even been walk-ons. The way our walk-on program is structured it gives Frank and his coaches an opportunity to assess non-scholarship athletes and further "sniffing out' to find players that could contribute. Austin J. Ouellette might be the best example of "sniffing out" a starter from the ranks of the walk-ons. +1 Back to Top joefromperry General User Member Since: 10/5/2013 Location: Perry, OH Post Count: 95 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/22/2018 12:46:47 PM  Regarding recent and past recruiting vs. ratings, Jason Arkley has been running a nice series on his Athens Messenger blog going year by year of all the recruiting classes Frank has had. Back to Top ExCat21 General User Member Since: 9/29/2014 Post Count: 904 Status: Offline     RE: Team Speed    Posted: 7/23/2018 2:03:34 PM  This goes back to our STAR RATING SYSTEM topic we had. He is looking for guys that fit in the category best known as "RELENTLESS." Coachable guys that do good on and off the field. I love how our school hardly is ever in the news for doing something bad. Every year or every other year, BG, Kent or Akron is dismissing someone for not following rules. 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