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allen
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  Message Not Read  Players skipping bowl games
   Posted: 11/28/2017 11:04:04 AM 
The NCAA needs to buy insurance for players likely to be drafted. I don't know if I blame this kid for skipping the bowl game. If the bowl game is not for the National Championship, why should a kid risk his career?https://www.yahoo.com/sports/texas-left-tackle-connor-wil...

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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spongeBOB CATpants
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   Posted: 11/30/2017 12:17:37 PM 
Why stop at the bowl game? If your team is out of contention and you have millions on the line, why not quit the team with 3 games left? This trend is garbage
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allen
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   Posted: 11/30/2017 7:24:45 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Why stop at the bowl game? If your team is out of contention and you have millions on the line, why not quit the team with 3 games left? This trend is garbage


After Jake Butt's injury last year a lot of players are worried about their future. The Bowl games are not a part of the season, the NCAA should take some of the money that they make and insure the players.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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Sam bobcat
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   Posted: 12/1/2017 8:42:41 AM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Why stop at the bowl game? If your team is out of contention and you have millions on the line, why not quit the team with 3 games left? This trend is garbage


So you think players with multi million dollar careers on the line should risk that to play in one last game for your entertainment huh? Cause that's what you would do? Riiight.
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allen
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  Message Not Read  RE: Players skipping bowl games
   Posted: 12/1/2017 9:42:25 AM 
I am asking the NCAA to share the profits and protect these youngsters. I don't know what I would do. I am a former soldier, I TEND TO BE A TEAM PLAYER. I VOLUNTEERED FOR MISSIONS IN AFGHANISTAN, THAT IS WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR. THE US GOVERNMENT DID GIVE ME A 400K LIFE INSURANCE POLICY AND GUARANTEED MY BURIAL IF I WERE TO die. If I were working for Fluor, I probably would request some benefit or I would not participate.

Last Edited: 12/1/2017 10:28:24 AM by allen

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The Optimist
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   Posted: 12/1/2017 9:54:43 AM 
The NCAA shouldn't buy the players insurance, the players should buy it themselves.

If the players don't have cash for a policy, they agree to give up a % of their salary should they be drafted.

It isn't that complicated, but I'm sure someone will try to over-complicate the issue with nonsense regulations.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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Robert Fox
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   Posted: 12/1/2017 9:56:20 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
The NCAA shouldn't buy the players insurance, the players should buy it themselves.

If the players don't have cash for a policy, they agree to give up a % of their salary should they be drafted.

It isn't that complicated, but I'm sure someone will try to over-complicate the issue with nonsense regulations.


You beat me to it. Well said.
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C Money
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   Posted: 12/1/2017 10:19:09 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
The NCAA shouldn't buy the players insurance, the players should buy it themselves.

If the players don't have cash for a policy, they agree to give up a % of their salary should they be drafted.

It isn't that complicated, but I'm sure someone will try to over-complicate the issue with nonsense regulations.



You can't pledge future wages as security for a financial obligation.

A work-around I toyed with once (in the theoretical sense...not that I had the ability or desire to pursue it...) was a specialty lending/finance company providing loans to likely soon-to-be professional athletes. The inspiration for the idea was the osu memorabilia sales thing. What if instead of selling those items, the players pledged those assets as collateral for a loan?

With the insurance situation, what I think you could do is borrow the money to pay for the policy, but then pledge the policy itself as collateral for the loan. There shouldn't be anything controversial about that from a legal perspective since insurance policies are provided as collateral all the time.

What I never sat down to figure out was how NCAA compliance would look at those things. My guess is they'd be OK with insurance but not the memorabilia.
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spongeBOB CATpants
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  Message Not Read  RE: Players skipping bowl games
   Posted: 12/1/2017 10:26:56 AM 
I understand the reasoning behind it, its plain and simple. I just don't see how these guys are satisfied by going through all the off season work, play every game, just to quit on their team the last game. The risk of injury is the same every time they step on the field, the risk doesn't get higher for a bowl game.

Last Edited: 12/1/2017 10:27:48 AM by spongeBOB CATpants
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allen
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   Posted: 12/1/2017 10:27:22 AM 
Robert Fox wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
The NCAA shouldn't buy the players insurance, the players should buy it themselves.

If the players don't have cash for a policy, they agree to give up a % of their salary should they be drafted.

It isn't that complicated, but I'm sure someone will try to over-complicate the issue with nonsense regulations.


You beat me to it. Well said.


Why should the players have to pay, especially since the bowls are not a part of the schedule. The Bowls are additional games where where the NCAA profits off of the games. The college football playoff is one thing and the sun bowl is another. I am cool with it either way, if the players have to pay, they should be given assistance.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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The Optimist
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   Posted: 12/1/2017 10:51:38 AM 
C Money wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
nonsense regulations.

You can't pledge future wages as security for a financial obligation.


Two adults willfully entering into a mutually beneficial contract isn't something the NCAA or government should concern themselves with.

Is this thread destined for Siberia or the Bahamas?

I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 12/1/2017 12:34:45 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
I understand the reasoning behind it, its plain and simple. I just don't see how these guys are satisfied by going through all the off season work, play every game, just to quit on their team the last game. The risk of injury is the same every time they step on the field, the risk doesn't get higher for a bowl game.


I don’t understand this logic...whatsoever. Their hard work throughout the off-seasons is what’s giving them the ability to be drafted. If the last game is the camping world bowl, the godaddy bowl, the charmin extra soft bowl, Trojan entenze bowl, maxi pad soak’em up bowl, idc. If you aren’t competing for a NC and you’re a top 1st-3rd round pick do you risk MILLIONS to play one more game “with your brothers”? Hell no.

Most of these guys come from pretty poor backgrounds. How many guys getting drafted have lived a wealthy life up until now? My guess would be 2% or less. If you play another game, the risk for injury absolutely goes up!! Have you ever take a statistics course??? I don’t blame these guys a single bit for skipping bow games. I would do the exact same, and for any other person on here to say they wouldn’t is either lying, or just plum dumb. You work that hard your entire life for one goal- the money. Brotherhood is all good and well until you rip up your ACL and get drafted in the 6th round when you were a projected 1st-2nd round pick
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   Posted: 12/1/2017 4:13:01 PM 
LynxRufus6 wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
I understand the reasoning behind it, its plain and simple. I just don't see how these guys are satisfied by going through all the off season work, play every game, just to quit on their team the last game. The risk of injury is the same every time they step on the field, the risk doesn't get higher for a bowl game.


I don’t understand this logic...whatsoever. Their hard work throughout the off-seasons is what’s giving them the ability to be drafted. If the last game is the camping world bowl, the godaddy bowl, the charmin extra soft bowl, Trojan entenze bowl, maxi pad soak’em up bowl, idc. If you aren’t competing for a NC and you’re a top 1st-3rd round pick do you risk MILLIONS to play one more game “with your brothers”? Hell no.

Most of these guys come from pretty poor backgrounds. How many guys getting drafted have lived a wealthy life up until now? My guess would be 2% or less. If you play another game, the risk for injury absolutely goes up!! Have you ever take a statistics course??? I don’t blame these guys a single bit for skipping bow games. I would do the exact same, and for any other person on here to say they wouldn’t is either lying, or just plum dumb. You work that hard your entire life for one goal- the money. Brotherhood is all good and well until you rip up your ACL and get drafted in the 6th round when you were a projected 1st-2nd round pick


I agree, a lot of people are not being honest with themselves. Plus it gives younger players valuable experience.

Last Edited: 12/1/2017 5:16:53 PM by allen

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   Posted: 12/3/2017 2:56:10 AM 
allen wrote:
I am asking the NCAA to share the profits and protect these youngsters. I don't know what I would do. I am a former soldier, I TEND TO BE A TEAM PLAYER. I VOLUNTEERED FOR MISSIONS IN AFGHANISTAN, THAT IS WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR. THE US GOVERNMENT DID GIVE ME A 400K LIFE INSURANCE POLICY AND GUARANTEED MY BURIAL IF I WERE TO die. If I were working for Fluor, I probably would request some benefit or I would not participate.


You obviously do not understand how these policies work, they are easy to purchase, but if you be
I eve the fine print and the subjective information is not willy-billy, you are lost. These policies are for career ending, never play again injuries. You want insurance on where you are drafted, well, use the Vegas line for your insurance.
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   Posted: 12/3/2017 3:01:35 AM 
allen wrote:
I am asking the NCAA to share the profits and protect these youngsters. I don't know what I would do. I am a former soldier, I TEND TO BE A TEAM PLAYER. I VOLUNTEERED FOR MISSIONS IN AFGHANISTAN, THAT IS WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR. THE US GOVERNMENT DID GIVE ME A 400K LIFE INSURANCE POLICY AND GUARANTEED MY BURIAL IF I WERE TO die. If I were working for Fluor, I probably would request some benefit or I would not participate.


If you were working for Flour, you would have no choice there. As a generational Flour employee and engineer on 2 of their old nuclear programs, I️ assure you, they are not giving you the options unless you are going to Saudi.
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   Posted: 12/3/2017 3:05:22 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
The NCAA shouldn't buy the players insurance, the players should buy it themselves.

If the players don't have cash for a policy, they agree to give up a % of their salary should they be drafted.

It isn't that complicated, but I'm sure someone will try to over-complicate the issue with nonsense regulations.


These policies are very cheap, because the fine print is very fine and hard to collect on.
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allen
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   Posted: 12/3/2017 8:16:16 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
allen wrote:
I am asking the NCAA to share the profits and protect these youngsters. I don't know what I would do. I am a former soldier, I TEND TO BE A TEAM PLAYER. I VOLUNTEERED FOR MISSIONS IN AFGHANISTAN, THAT IS WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR. THE US GOVERNMENT DID GIVE ME A 400K LIFE INSURANCE POLICY AND GUARANTEED MY BURIAL IF I WERE TO die. If I were working for Fluor, I probably would request some benefit or I would not participate.


If you were working for Flour, you would have no choice there. As a generational Flour employee and engineer on 2 of their old nuclear programs, I️ assure you, they are not giving you the options unless you are going to Saudi.


I hate to tell you, but I have been offered a job by Fluor in the past and I had a choice. So they are calling water distributors water engineers. I hope they pay you the same salary as they pay the men.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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