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The Optimist
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/28/2017 7:28:45 AM

OhioStunter wrote:

I wrote in an earlier post that no matter what, there would be unhappy Bobcat fans.

Are they "fans" of the Bobcats or "fans" of whining?

I've seen crazier things happen.

doubledribble
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/28/2017 11:37:28 AM

I would be more optimistic about our ability to run the football against UAB if we were going to have our top two runners able to play. It appears that our only healthy running back left will be a frosh who has missed almost the entire season with his own injury.
We will need a big game from Rourke, as well as our rush defense.
Golf, some fishing and snorkeling, and a chance to watch the Bobcats get that 9th win, sounds like a good road trip to me !

Last Edited: 11/28/2017 11:38:26 AM by doubledribble

Pataskala
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/28/2017 12:32:52 PM

The Optimist wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

I wrote in an earlier post that no matter what, there would be unhappy Bobcat fans.

Are they "fans" of the Bobcats or "fans" of whining?

I think a lot of the unhappiness stems from the way the season ended. We were a win over Akron away from the MACCG but wound up staying home this week and no shot at a 10-win season after losing two straight. That pisses me off, and at the moment I have trouble getting excited about our bowl. I'm sure that'll change by 12/22. A few years ago I would've been thrilled, but I now have higher expectations. This program always seems to be one step away from getting to a higher level.

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

OhioStunter
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/28/2017 1:26:05 PM

Pataskala wrote:

The Optimist wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

I wrote in an earlier post that no matter what, there would be unhappy Bobcat fans.

Are they "fans" of the Bobcats or "fans" of whining?

What is this "higher level" you refer to?

Pataskala
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/28/2017 4:11:46 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

The Optimist wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

I wrote in an earlier post that no matter what, there would be unhappy Bobcat fans.

Are they "fans" of the Bobcats or "fans" of whining?

What is this "higher level" you refer to?

MAC Championship
9 or 10 wins
Maybe be in the conversation for a NY6 bowl

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

C Money
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/28/2017 4:18:51 PM

Ohio Bobcats Football 2018 Theme Song Contest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J16lInLZRms

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqeT9ooYKnM

GoCats105
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/28/2017 4:35:58 PM

C Money wrote:

Ohio Bobcats Football 2018 Theme Song Contest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J16lInLZRms

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqeT9ooYKnM

If Creed is one of the options, the answer is always whatever the other thing is. No matter how ludicrous.

C Money
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/28/2017 4:55:30 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

C Money wrote:

Ohio Bobcats Football 2018 Theme Song Contest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J16lInLZRms

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqeT9ooYKnM

If Creed is one of the options, the answer is always whatever the other thing is. No matter how ludicrous.

I will defend Creed's first album. I will also defend Limp Bizkit's live show and that Nickelback song about magic mushrooms.

Judge me. I don't care.

Alan Swank
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/28/2017 5:01:52 PM

C Money wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

C Money wrote:

Ohio Bobcats Football 2018 Theme Song Contest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J16lInLZRms

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqeT9ooYKnM

If Creed is one of the options, the answer is always whatever the other thing is. No matter how ludicrous.

I will defend Creed's first album. I will also defend Limp Bizkit's live show and that Nickelback song about magic mushrooms.

Judge me. I don't care.

Talk about a thread highjack.

OhioStunter
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/28/2017 5:23:21 PM

Pataskala wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

The Optimist wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

I wrote in an earlier post that no matter what, there would be unhappy Bobcat fans.

Are they "fans" of the Bobcats or "fans" of whining?

What is this "higher level" you refer to?

MAC Championship
9 or 10 wins
Maybe be in the conversation for a NY6 bowl

I'd like that too. Only NIU and Western Michigan have done that recently. Last year was a great year for Western with a Cotton Bowl bid and an undefeated record heading into bowl season. A Top 25 rank was nice too. Do you consider Western Michigan to be at another level? I did last year, but I didn't see it this year. Other than some great short-term visibility and long-term bragging rights, what does the "higher level" in the MAC really get us if it is not sustained?

OUcats82
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/28/2017 6:17:35 PM

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Other than some great short-term visibility and long-term bragging rights, what does the "higher level" in the MAC really get us if it is not sustained?

I don't know the answer to that question but I'd love to someday sit and think on it while wearing an Ohio Football MAC Champions sweatshirt.

Ohio-The State University

bshot44
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/29/2017 10:13:09 AM

OhioStunter wrote:

Other than some great short-term visibility and long-term bragging rights, what does the "higher level" in the MAC really get us if it is not sustained?

My problem is that Ohio football is turning into a "Groundhog's Day" movie nightmare.

Every year ... we repeat the same nightmare. 8 wins ... no MACC ... blah bowl game ... missed opportunity for big wins.

It's getting really hard to get excited to watch this product when you absolutely know what the result is going to be.

I sat in the stands at UB last Friday and I could not have less surprised by the way that game started. It was straight out of the Groundhog Day/Ohio playbook. Saw it coming miles and miles away.

And that's what every season feels like now.

Let's get a jumpstart on 2018

Howard - W
at UVA - L
at UC - L
UMass - W
Akron - W
at Kent - W
at Miami - L (because we always lose a ridiculous MAC East game)
Buffalo - W
BG - W
at MAC West 1 - L (possibly WMU)
MAC West 2 - W (possibly Ball)
at MAC West 3 - L (possibly NIU)

7-5 (5-3) ... lose MAC East on a tiebreaker (I give it a +/- of one, so maybe 8-4 is possible)

Lose Potato Bowl to MWC team

Wash. Rinse. Repeat

Last Edited: 11/29/2017 10:16:45 AM by bshot44

OhioStunter
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/29/2017 11:29:24 AM

bshot44 wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Other than some great short-term visibility and long-term bragging rights, what does the "higher level" in the MAC really get us if it is not sustained?

If your "Groundhog Day" is a good day, I'm not sure why you'd want it to be different. Consistent winning records and bowl games aren't so bad, are they? Do I want a MACC? Sure. Would I trade our consistency in the Solich era for one year of domination and the rest of the years of mediocrity like WMU? Probably not.

I like winning.

We do it consistently.

I like watching the Bobcats on ESPN during bowl season.

I wish we won more of those games.

I'd like more too, but what team among our peers really does that consistently?

I don't disagree with the pattern you've outlined, but what is the realistic alternative?

GoCats105
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/29/2017 12:21:14 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Other than some great short-term visibility and long-term bragging rights, what does the "higher level" in the MAC really get us if it is not sustained?

NIU had a pretty good run. Six straight MAC West Division titles (the tougher division), three MAC championships, Orange Bowl and somehow or another they even got included in the discussion of conference realignment. That's what I want. Maybe not the conference realignment part, but why can't Ohio consistently dominate the MAC East like that?

Deciduous Forest Cat
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/29/2017 12:53:41 PM

Listen, I'm glad we win more than we lose, and I don't think Solich needs to be fired for what happened, but seriously... if you're not disappointed in how this season finished, do you even have a pulse?

We were arguably the best team in the MAC after game 10. We smashed the pre-crowned MAC champion by 28 points... the kind of dominant performance against a conference front-runner that we haven't seen since we whipped Temple in 2009. We've certainly been waiting for this since 2012 at least when we had THE team and flattened out due to injuries or whatever.

Akron sucks. We had no business losing to that team. None whatsoever. That was a major league shi++ing of the bed in a key game. I'm pi$$ed because I care.

TrueFan
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/29/2017 1:23:52 PM

I guess I'm hurt because I care... I wanted this as bas as anyone else, but the parent in me can't keep beating them up...Let's move on, win the Bowl, and have a better year.

OhioStunter
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/29/2017 1:30:26 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Other than some great short-term visibility and long-term bragging rights, what does the "higher level" in the MAC really get us if it is not sustained?

I think that's a realistic goal. NIU really has done a nice job, plus they've had NFL-caliber RBs and great QBs (one drafted by the Bears). I would say they are the gold standard for what a successful program should be. I honestly wonder if the Illinois recruiting grounds prove easier than Ohio recruiting grounds.

I will say this though: over the past 12 years, NIU has only averaged .67 more wins each season than Ohio has. NIU's wins were bigger and at the right times.

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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/29/2017 3:50:19 PM

TrueFan wrote:

I guess I'm hurt because I care... I wanted this as bas as anyone else, but the parent in me can't keep beating them up...Let's move on, win the Bowl, and have a better year.

Totally agree. As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, this is a game played by kids (really big kids, technically adults, but as a Dad I can tell you they're still kids). Dumb things happen. Those games still irritate me, but I bet not half as much as they irritate the players.

The next level we should aspire to is agonizingly close - as in a turnover here, a penalty or missed assignment there type close. At the heart of it, that's what has everyone's shorts in a knot. Regularly in the hunt for a MACC, win a couple here and there, have an occasional shot at a ranking and maybe even an appearance in an New Years bowl. That's achievable for this team.

Last Edited: 11/29/2017 4:03:15 PM by AlumDadDad

Sam bobcat
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/29/2017 3:57:36 PM

AlumDadDad wrote:

TrueFan wrote:

I guess I'm hurt because I care... I wanted this as bas as anyone else, but the parent in me can't keep beating them up...Let's move on, win the Bowl, and have a better year.

Or the coaches.

GoCats105
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/29/2017 4:07:43 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Other than some great short-term visibility and long-term bragging rights, what does the "higher level" in the MAC really get us if it is not sustained?

That 12 year run included a 2-10 season, but also included multiple double-digit win seasons. And you're probably right on the recruiting edge...not as many schools in Illinois to battle. However, they still play in the by far tougher division of the conference. So each school has their advantages and disadvantages.

Last Edited: 11/29/2017 4:10:05 PM by GoCats105

bshot44
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2017 10:29:51 AM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

This. Exactly.

And as bas as the Akron game was .... the team didn't even circle the wagons and go up to Buffalo and prove that Akron was a fluke. The continued their downward spiral that we've seen soooo many times in November with this program. It's literally a carbon copy of years past.

And to answer the question of what I'd like to see different ... I think having a NIU-type program is exactly what I'd like to see Ohio aspire towards. And there is literally ZERO reason why they can't become THE dominant team in the MAC yearly

Yes ... I totally agree I'd much, much rather have the last 13 years of NIU football than Ohio football

NIU 107-64
Ohio 96-71

And before you start with the "Well NIU only went 2-7 in bowls during those years" .... Let's compare

Poinsettia Bowl (3) vs. Boise, Utah St, TCU
Humanitarian Bowl (1) Fresno St
Orange Bowl (1) Florida St
International Bowl (1) USF
Independence Bowl (1) La Tech
Go Daddy Bowl (1) Ark State
Boca Raton Bowl (1) Marshall

vs.

Potato Bowl (1) Utah St
Independence Bowl (1) UL Monroe
Camilia Bowl (1) App State
Little Caesar's Bowl (1) Marshall
New Orleans Bowl (1) Troy
Dollar General Bowl (1) Troy
Beef O' Brady (1) ECU
GMAC Bowl (1) So Miss

I'd take NIU's bowl resume at least playing in much better bowl games vs. much better competition.

And I'd take their 7 MAC West titles and 3-4 record in the MACC Game vs. Ohio's 4 MAC East titles and 0-4 MACC Game record

And I'd take their Heisman Finalist in Jordan Lynch

And I'd take their 15 weeks in the AP poll spread out over 3 seasons vs. Ohio's 2 weeks ranked.

Oh .... and the non-conference opponents since 2005

NIU
2005 - Michigan, NW, Tenn Tech (1-2)
2006 - Iowa, OSU, Ind State, Temple (2-2)
2007 - Iowa, SIU, Idaho, Wisconsin, Navy (1-4)
2008 - Minnesota, Ind State, Tennessee, Navy (1-3)
2009 - Wisconsin, WIU, Purdue, Idaho (2-2)
2010 - Iowa St, No Dak, Illinois, Minnesota (2-2)
2011 - Army, Kansas, Wisconsin, Cal Poly (2-2)
2012 - Iowa, Army, UTM, Kansas (3-1)
2013 - Iowa, Idaho, EIU, Purdue (4-0)
2014 - Presbyterian, NW, UNLV, Arkansas (3-1)
2015 - UNLV, Murray State, OSU, BC (2-2)
2016 - Wyoming, USF, SD State, WIU (0-4)
2017 - BC, EIU, Nebraska, SD State (2-2)

25-27 vs. B1G (18) Big XII (3) SEC (2), ACC (2), Big East (1), AAC (1), MWC
(5), WAC (2), Army/Navy (4), FCS (13), Temple (1)

� 26 games vs. P5/Big East schools (7-19)
� 12-1 vs. FCS
� 6-7 vs. others

Ohio
2005 - Pitt, NW, VT (1-2)
2006 - UTM, Rutgers, Missouri, Illinois (2-2)
2007 - Gardner Webb, Wyoming, VT, ULL (2-2)
2008 - Wyoming, NW, VMI, OSU (1-3)
2009 - UConn, UNT, Cal Poly, Tennessee (2-2)
2010 - Wofford, OSU, Marshall, ULL (2-2)
2011 - NM State, Marshall, Gardner Webb, Rutgers (3-1)
2012 - Penn State, NM State, Marshall, Norfolk (4-0)
2013 - Louisville, UNT, Marshall, Austin Peay (3-1)
2014 - Kentucky, Marshall, Idaho, EIU (2-2)
2015 - Idaho, Marshall, Minnesota, SE Louisiana (3-1)
2016 - Tennessee, Kansas, Texas State, Gardner Webb (2-2)
2017 - Purdue, Kansas, UMass, Hampton (3-1)

30-21 vs. B1G (8), Big XII (3), SEC (3), ACC (3), Big East (4), UMass (1), Sun Belt (6), CUSA (8), WAC (2), FCS (13)

� 18 games vs. P5 schools/Big East (5-13)
� 13-0 vs. FCS
� 12-8 vs. others

And maybe the most telling ....

NIU 77-26 in MAC WEST
Ohio 64-40 in MAC EAST

The next step for Ohio is taking over this league on a yearly basis. Winning back-to-back MAC East titles FOR ONCE. Winning a MACC FOR ONCE. Doing something other than 8-5 (5-3) would be fantastic!

Last Edited: 11/30/2017 10:30:05 AM by bshot44

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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2017 12:20:08 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Wow! Obsess much?

ytownbobcat
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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2017 12:34:15 PM

A few years back, probably 15 or so, I thought I would love to have one season where we could win 7 games. I thought that would be a great accomplishment just once before the bus stops for me.

But now some think 8 wins is an unacceptable standard.

What is really lacking to satisfy most fans is a MACC and there won't be peace until that happens.

The 2012 season felt like we were getting there through 7 games, this season after the Toledo game it felt like 2012 and that we were getting there.

It is a legitimate source of frustration.

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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2017 2:18:30 PM

Sam bobcat wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Wow! Obsess much?

I care. I won't apologize for that. It's not obsession ... I don't let it ruin my life (like O$U fans!) .... but this is my team, my school and I choose not to be apathetic towards it.

I could just not care .... not donate to Bobcat Club ... not invest in season tickets ... not invest in traveling to WVU, Maryland, Marshall, Kansas, Tennessee, other MAC cities and MAC title games ... etc.

So being satisfied with 8-5 (5-3) and a bowl loss every year isn't in my blood. If this is what continues ... I'll have to revisit my commitment to investing $$$ into this team.

It's already tough to justify traveling to Athens for a Tuesday night game with 1500 people in the stands ... but I still do it.

So I wouldn't say it's obsession ... it's that I care enough to strive for something more than beating Kent and the rest of the MACs bottom dwellers ... an FCS patsy .... and another nondescript FBS team to get to 8 wins and a bleh bowl game.

Last Edited: 11/30/2017 2:19:19 PM by bshot44

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RE: Bahamas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2017 3:46:27 PM

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