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Topic:  RE: Not even consideration for Maxwell
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Bobcat1996
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  Message Not Read  RE: Not even consideration for Maxwell
   Posted: 11/27/2017 2:51:17 PM 
Just a guess, but I think the WR group next season will be much improved from this fall. Remember one of the projected starters Ball got injured before the season started and they have some good players like Cox, Cherry and Minter that are being red shirted. If they can stay injury free the depth will be there. This will only help our young QB.
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crackerbaby00
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  Message Not Read  RE: Not even consideration for Maxwell
   Posted: 11/27/2017 3:03:39 PM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Just a guess, but I think the WR group next season will be much improved from this fall. Remember one of the projected starters Ball got injured before the season started and they have some good players like Cox, Cherry and Minter that are being red shirted. If they can stay injury free the depth will be there. This will only help our young QB.


I agree. And your list doesnt even include my favorite recruit of the group, Brevin Harris.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Not even consideration for Maxwell
   Posted: 11/27/2017 6:35:10 PM 
Sam, I think it’s funny nobody answered my question about which quarterback would you rather have: the auburn quarterback who I think is a pass first run second guy or the Alabama quarterback who I think is run first pass second. Your thoughts?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Not even consideration for Maxwell
   Posted: 11/28/2017 1:24:31 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
Sam, I think it’s funny nobody answered my question about which quarterback would you rather have: the auburn quarterback who I think is a pass first run second guy or the Alabama quarterback who I think is run first pass second. Your thoughts?


I'd take either one, in a heart beat!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Not even consideration for Maxwell
   Posted: 11/28/2017 1:59:28 PM 
Come on Sam, it’s either A or B it’s not either. You do know that I’m trying to prove my point that one is a passer first. And, the other is a runner first. To me there’s no comparison in their ability to throw the ball one is head and shoulders above the other. And, on the other hand one is a much better runner than the other.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Not even consideration for Maxwell
   Posted: 11/28/2017 2:57:58 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
If I never see a dual threat quarterback again I will be happy. The staff has shown that you cannot win a MACC with a dual threat guy. Look at the teams the last 10 or 15 years That have won MACC’s. I believe they’ve pretty much all had prototype quarterbacks and more prototype offenses. It’s time for FS&Co to get out of the 60s and pistol. Give me a thrower, some wide receivers, and a running back.


It goes without saying, but to be a dual-threat guy, you need to have a dual threat to run or to pass. I don't think Rourke's 2000 yards and 15 passing TDs qualifies as a passing threat. True dual threat QBs who have won recent MAC Championships like Harnish, Lynch and Lefevour had more than 3000 yards passing with 20+ passing TDs and 700+ yards with double digit rushing TDs. NIU's Hare was another example of a dual-threat QB who won a title.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Not even consideration for Maxwell
   Posted: 11/29/2017 5:46:11 PM 
Just lost track and interest, but I'll answer your question. I'd take Auburns QB. Balanced Attack, would rather rely on RB for the running game and preserve my QB. QB should be able to use his legs to buy time for throwing and get yards when necessary. That's more of the pro game than the college game it seems like anymore.

Back to the original take on the blog though. I've been churning over the stats and trends of the year as several believed it was laughable that some on the blog could ever question the QB situation this year at Ohio. IMO, the stats do tell an interesting story of a QB that had average stats that tailed off drastically at the end of the year and the offensive performance showed that. That's good enough for 2nd Team MAC though. The reduction in performance was the result of film study by guys like Amato a veteran defensive mind at Akron that figured us out, i.e. one dimensional. He didn't care about the pass game!

I for one still wonder what would have happened if this team had not abandoned the named starter at the beginning of the year. His initial trend showed the improvement everyone talked about before the season. IMO you cant judge him on Purdue and 2 or 3 series. The whole team struggled and he, IMO was the scape goat. I'm guessing Maxwell would have had less rushing TD's and more passing TD's and fewer INT's and guys like Ouellette, Mangen, the Oline and others may have faired better in post season awards. But that is my opinion, I guess we all have them.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Not even consideration for Maxwell
   Posted: 11/29/2017 6:24:10 PM 
Old BEARcat wrote:
. . . The reduction in performance was the result of film study by guys like Amato a veteran defensive mind at Akron that figured us out, i.e. one dimensional. He didn't care about the pass game! . . .


I think this is an excellent point!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Not even consideration for Maxwell
   Posted: 11/29/2017 8:46:13 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Old BEARcat wrote:
. . . The reduction in performance was the result of film study by guys like Amato a veteran defensive mind at Akron that figured us out, i.e. one dimensional. He didn't care about the pass game! . . .


I think this is an excellent point!



I think Ohio’s problem in the Akron game was not Akron’s defense (34 points scored was more than enough to win the game), it was their own. That, and commiting 3 turnovers.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Not even consideration for Maxwell
   Posted: 11/29/2017 8:56:13 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Old BEARcat wrote:
. . . The reduction in performance was the result of film study by guys like Amato a veteran defensive mind at Akron that figured us out, i.e. one dimensional. He didn't care about the pass game! . . .


I think this is an excellent point!



I think Ohio’s problem in the Akron game was not Akron’s defense (34 points scored was more than enough to win the game), it was their own. That, and commiting 3 turnovers.



Another excellent point. The two are not mutually exclusive. We could have won with either more offense, or better defense.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Not even consideration for Maxwell
   Posted: 11/29/2017 9:57:15 PM 
OhioStunter wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
If I never see a dual threat quarterback again I will be happy. The staff has shown that you cannot win a MACC with a dual threat guy. Look at the teams the last 10 or 15 years That have won MACC’s. I believe they’ve pretty much all had prototype quarterbacks and more prototype offenses. It’s time for FS&Co to get out of the 60s and pistol. Give me a thrower, some wide receivers, and a running back.


It goes without saying, but to be a dual-threat guy, you need to have a dual threat to run or to pass. I don't think Rourke's 2000 yards and 15 passing TDs qualifies as a passing threat. True dual threat QBs who have won recent MAC Championships like Harnish, Lynch and Lefevour had more than 3000 yards passing with 20+ passing TDs and 700+ yards with double digit rushing TDs. NIU's Hare was another example of a dual-threat QB who won a title.



Actually, Hare and Harnish were not a lot unlike Rourke. Hare threw for 2322 yards in 14 games as a sophomore and 1962 yards in 9 games as junior. Injured most of his senior season. Harnish threw for 1528 (with more INTs than TD passes), 1670, 2530 and 3216 in his 4 years, so he obviously got much better as a passer as he progressed.
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