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General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,064 Status: Offline     Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 3:10:30 AM  Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because   Schaus is a better AD than the ones from 1970-2008 History doesn't repeat and can be ignored There were no structural reason for the poor years, only bad coaching hires Solich has repaired whatever structural problems existed It's all random luck, and it's Ohio's turn Solich will leave behind talented athletes that the next coach can use better than Solich Nostradamous says it is so I have no reason, I just belieive it will happen It would be defeatist to believe otherwise SE Ohio is hard to recruit enough talent to, so eventually Ohio will return to the bottom   Please Register or Login to Vote   Show Results There seems to be a number of posters out there who believe that once Solich retires, Ohio can replace him with a young coach who can take Ohio to the next level. Historically, however, Ohio has not had great luck hiring football coaches who have been able to win consistently. I'm wondering the reasons why people believe what they believe. If the poll doesn't have an answer that expresses your reason, feel free to post it to the thread. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 8:26:35 AM  Odds are exceptional that Ohio will hire a coach after Solich who is not as good as Solich. Hiring a coach that is better than Solich would be a statistical unlikelihood, I would guess, by a rather large margin. Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 1,876 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 9:33:34 AM  I don't think OUr chances will improve with another coach. I don't think that "It's all random chance and it's Ohio's turn applies" because only a part of it is chance. I do think that 50 years is a long time and that chance does dictate that we probably won't go another 50 years without a MACC (that would be a century - In Cubs territory). My answer would be that Ohio will win another, hopefully in the next few years with Solich and if not then hopefully Schaus will find the right coach, and if not we'll probably win one eventually sooner or much, much later. Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 10:05:33 AM  L.C you are out to lunch on this completely. You are right that it starts up front and the amount of athletic 300 pound lineman available these days is unprecedented when compared to 20 years ago. Solich to his credit has been able to take advantage and load up on the lines but there is so much more quality out there these days. Secondly, when I first started following Ohio the question I used to get was is the MAC a 1-A or 1-AA conference? It was a borderline FCS conference in the eyes of some with a lower ceiling and couldn't compete in the living room with CUSA and the Big East. The MAC today is perceived more like the AAC particularly as you get to the top programs and Ohio is the most popular school in the MAC. The case is strong for Ohio as the best academic school in the MAC but in terms of overall popularity there is no question. Solich himself has said the goal is to be in the Top 25 with regularity so even he knows he is underachieving. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 10:21:50 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: L.C you are out to lunch on this completely. You are right that it starts up front and the amount of athletic 300 pound lineman available these days is unprecedented when compared to 20 years ago. Solich to his credit has been able to take advantage and load up on the lines but there is so much more quality out there these days. Secondly, when I first started following Ohio the question I used to get was is the MAC a 1-A or 1-AA conference? It was a borderline FCS conference in the eyes of some with a lower ceiling and couldn't compete in the living room with CUSA and the Big East. The MAC today is perceived more like the AAC particularly as you get to the top programs and Ohio is the most popular school in the MAC. The case is strong for Ohio as the best academic school in the MAC but in terms of overall popularity there is no question. Solich himself has said the goal is to be in the Top 25 with regularity so even he knows he is underachieving. Your post is THE most confusing of the day. LC doesn't mention the line or "it starts up front" or anything of the sort. What are you talking about???? Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,630 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 11:05:47 AM  this post is somewhat outlandish. Solich is a great coach, who has somewhat underachieved at Ohio. His achilles heel has been the QB position, he has put numberous players in the NFL and coached up a lot of players, but he has lost way more big games than he has won. He has finally started to address the Albin situation, albeit Albin is still here, Solich has callled out the play-calling. If we can land a good QB and play to win instead of playing not to lose than the sky is the limit. Solich has coached in a national championship game at Nebraska and been here for 12 years, so he should have the best recruiting classes. I like the incoming class, but years previous, we signed a lot of afterthoughts and along with some headliners that had no chance of qualifying, they could be called the all head fake team. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,064 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 11:32:02 AM  Wes, I haven't expressed an opinion at all in this thread, and I have no intention of doing so. The reason for the poll is that there seem to be a number of posters that automatically seem to take it for granted that after Solich retires things will get better. I tried to create an unbiased poll that had all the possible answers that I could think of. I realized that there might be other answers that I didn't think of, and yours is one. I interpret your answer as: 11. Because the MAC has a higher profile in years past recruiting will be easier than it was in the past Thank you for your answer. As I said, I am not saying that anyone is right or wrong, I'm just trying to understand the logical underpinnings that people are basing their opinions on. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Maddog13 General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 597 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 11:52:49 AM  Under Solich, Ohio Football has become a brand, and that brand needs to continue to be sold on a National Level. Ohio does not need a fly-by-night, row-your-boat opportunist, or someone who is going to suddenly change the direction of the program overnight. Ohio, as an institution, has been around long enough to have formed their own identity. As a Fan, I like to think of our sports programs as tough, relentless, and dangerous. We may not win them all, but you know that you have been in a Hell of a Cat fight when you play us. I would like to see Ohio continue to build upon their conditioning and weight training programs and recruit athletes who are durable, passionate, and who love nothing more than putting a helmet on someone. I am not interested in innovative offensive and defensive schemes, but team oriented players who continue to identify with our own unique brand of Athleticism that has been on display through out the years from wresting to Volleyball to even Hockey. The Attack Cat needs to become a national monument that evokes both a blend of respect and terror through out the NCAA. The Brand, known as a Ohio, needs to be at center stage and not an individual coach or athlete that is only around temporarily and then gone. I hated it when ESPN used to call us the "Fighting Franks." We are so much more than that. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,630 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 11:59:06 AM  Maddog13 wrote: Under Solich, Ohio Football has become a brand, and that brand needs to continue to be sold on a National Level. Ohio does not need a fly-by-night, row-your-boat opportunist, or someone who is going to suddenly change the direction of the program overnight. Ohio, as an institution, has been around long enough to have formed their own identity. As a Fan, I like to think of our sports programs as tough, relentless, and dangerous. We may not win them all, but you know that you have been in a Hell of a Cat fight when you play us. I would like to see Ohio continue to build upon their conditioning and weight training programs and recruit athletes who are durable, passionate, and who love nothing more than putting a helmet on someone. I am not interested in innovative offensive and defensive schemes, but team oriented players who continue to identify with our own unique brand of Athleticism that has been on display through out the years from wresting to Volleyball to even Hockey. The Attack Cat needs to become a national monument that evokes both a blend of respect and terror through out the NCAA. The Brand, known as a Ohio, needs to be at center stage and not an individual coach or athlete that is only around temporarily and then gone. I hated it when ESPN used to call us the "Fighting Franks." We are so much more than that. The fighting Franks, what an imagination. Solich is being deified, wow. If we were a brand, we would be the ones who always come up short. FS is not done, he is still working, let's hope he gets us over the hunt. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 2:13:10 PM  Sorry, but Solich is not a great coach. Look at the facts at OHIO and no other conclusion makes sense. Those same facts strongly indicate that there will be no MACC under his tenure. The next coach may not win a MACC. Who can know. But it's very unlikely that we'll descend to the horrid that we were for so many years. Certainly, those who point to how the program and facilities have been vastly improved under Solich would say that the next coach has a base for success. Certainly, fear that the next coach may not do so well is no reason not to hire a new coach. Why don't we have a thread about who should be our next coach?! Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 2:19:11 PM  allen wrote: Solich is a great coach, Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes If Solich is great coach, please compare his achievements at OHIO vs. those of Wayne Woodrow Hayes at OSU, who you quote in your tag line which I input above. hint: 4 in first 12 Last Edited: 3/25/2017 2:19:39 PM by Monroe Slavin Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,630 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 3:19:34 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: allen wrote: Solich is a great coach, Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes If Solich is great coach, please compare his achievements at OHIO vs. those of Wayne Woodrow Hayes at OSU, who you quote in your tag line which I input above. hint: 4 in first 12 I can't argue with this Monroe. Solich is a good coach. What was I thinking, you can't just bestow greatness on anybody, greatness is earned. I have been medi'd. You have to admit though, we lost all of our running backs and db's and three qb's and almost won the MAC last year. Solich did a great job last year. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 5:13:08 PM  L.C. wrote: Wes, I haven't expressed an opinion at all in this thread, and I have no intention of doing so. The reason for the poll is that there seem to be a number of posters that automatically seem to take it for granted that after Solich retires things will get better. I tried to create an unbiased poll that had all the possible answers that I could think of. I realized that there might be other answers that I didn't think of, and yours is one. I interpret your answer as: 11. Because the MAC has a higher profile in years past recruiting will be easier than it was in the past Thank you for your answer. As I said, I am not saying that anyone is right or wrong, I'm just trying to understand the logical underpinnings that people are basing their opinions on. Whatever. The poll was laced with sarcasm. You aren't from Ohio and don't realize the popularity of the school. For some its the hills and hunting ground of SEO, for others its the respect it has a solid party school. I've had people who haven't even gone to college can mention something about the Shaq of the MAC or going to an Ohio football game. AJ Ouellette grew up in the backyard of Miami and ends up walking on at Ohio. That should tell you something. My Uncle who was a former Division II player raised his kids just 15 miles from Miami yet sent his sons to the Cincinnati camps and to UC games. Miami is that pretty boy in guess jeans and abercrombie that people love to hate. Grassroot support for Ohio is another positive for recruiting that is hard to perceive if you don't live in Ohio or in a nearby location. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,447 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 5:28:53 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: L.C you are out to lunch on this completely. You are right that it starts up front and the amount of athletic 300 pound lineman available these days is unprecedented when compared to 20 years ago. Solich to his credit has been able to take advantage and load up on the lines but there is so much more quality out there these days. Secondly, when I first started following Ohio the question I used to get was is the MAC a 1-A or 1-AA conference? It was a borderline FCS conference in the eyes of some with a lower ceiling and couldn't compete in the living room with CUSA and the Big East. The MAC today is perceived more like the AAC particularly as you get to the top programs and Ohio is the most popular school in the MAC. The case is strong for Ohio as the best academic school in the MAC but in terms of overall popularity there is no question. Solich himself has said the goal is to be in the Top 25 with regularity so even he knows he is underachieving. "The MAC today is perceived more like the AAC"? I have disagree, at least as to football. I think the MAC, if it hasn't been already, is about to be eclipsed by the Sun Belt Conference. Going 0-6 this last bowl season didn't help the MAC's cause. Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 5:37:19 PM  Maddog13 wrote: I am not interested in innovative offensive and defensive schemes, but team oriented players who continue to identify with our own unique brand of Athleticism that has been on display through out the years from wresting to Volleyball to even Hockey. I would ask yourself how can WVU go on a run and content for a national title in the Big East using Slaton and White two lightly recruited prospects, while Ohio in a better recruiting state couldn't go on a run. What could Rich Rod do with a player like Isaiah Cox? He was able to put an offense in to maximize use of undersized players. The ceiling at Ohio is high because lineman have become the great equalizer. Boise State was able to develop lines capable of challenging for a national title. You don't need to have SEC caliber skill players so long as you are getting blocks and protection from your line. Solich has not in the past taken a Cox, Papi or Daz type recruit and tap into their full potential. A more dynamic offensive HC might be able to do it. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 5:50:46 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: L.C you are out to lunch on this completely. You are right that it starts up front and the amount of athletic 300 pound lineman available these days is unprecedented when compared to 20 years ago. Solich to his credit has been able to take advantage and load up on the lines but there is so much more quality out there these days. Secondly, when I first started following Ohio the question I used to get was is the MAC a 1-A or 1-AA conference? It was a borderline FCS conference in the eyes of some with a lower ceiling and couldn't compete in the living room with CUSA and the Big East. The MAC today is perceived more like the AAC particularly as you get to the top programs and Ohio is the most popular school in the MAC. The case is strong for Ohio as the best academic school in the MAC but in terms of overall popularity there is no question. Solich himself has said the goal is to be in the Top 25 with regularity so even he knows he is underachieving. "The MAC today is perceived more like the AAC"? I have disagree, at least as to football. I think the MAC, if it hasn't been already, is about to be eclipsed by the Sun Belt Conference. Going 0-6 this last bowl season didn't help the MAC's cause. In the context of program ceiling I would say yes. At its apex Ohio could have a short run like WVU, Boise, NIU, Houston with a couple years of in or almost into a New Year's Bowl. Both Isaiah Cox and Papi White we recruited over Southern Miss. That would be unthinkable 20 years ago and now we're regularly beating them on the trail. We are on national Tv more than a lot of AAC and ACC programs. It doesn't matter too much how the MAC finishes; Boise State was a one program show in the terrible WAC and was ranked #3 in the country. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top LynxRufus6 General User Member Since: 8/1/2016 Post Count: 156 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 7:08:08 PM  This thread has been on of the better discussions I've seen on this board in quite some time. A lot of opinions. Some great, some head scratchers for sure. Mainly the one about the MAC being comparable to the AAC and not wanting an innovative offense. Sorry guy, the athletes that can turn this program into MAC champions are the same kids who love the flashy uniforms and the Blur-like offenses (see Oregon '07-'15). With that being said, Frank has lifted OU into a consistent contender in the MAC East. However, in year 13*? I think it's time that we as a fan base can start raising the bar for success. No matter how selfish that sounds, I find it very important that if we want to see the Cats start winning games that matter we need to think about pressuring the coaching staff to start winning the big ones. The foundation has been set, the facilities have been modified, the talent is arguably here already. I think the development of a quarterback and poor play-calling/scheme is what is holding the program back now. The quicker Tim Albin is canned, the quicker we can start to raise the bar. In my opinion, whenever Solich steps down I want the program to sign an FCS head coach who is ready to make the jump to the next level. On the other hand, I'm very interested in Ryan Day, the new QB coach at OSU who is a Chip Kelly guy. Has a ton of great ties around college football and could maybe one day become a pretty great coach. That too could lead to a young coach hopping out of here within a few years of success. That's why I'd like to see an older, successful FCS coach in Athens. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,064 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 8:07:23 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: ...Whatever. The poll was laced with sarcasm. ... I did not intend anything to be sarcastic, and I apologize if you interpreted it. After I ran out reasons that I could think of for believing things would be better, I did include a humorous answer (Nostradamous), but it was not intended to detract from the serious answers. Some of the answers were rather short because of the limitations of a poll format, and I apologize for that. To clarify what I intended some of the answers to mean: 2. History doesn't repeat - I meant this to mean that the past has no bearing on the future, so there is no reason to believe that just because Ohio struggled in the past that they will struggle at any particular point in the future. 3. there were no structural reasons - I meant this to mean that Ohio's failures of the past were due solely to the coaches who were hired in the past, and that there is no limitations on how good Ohio might have been with different coaches (based on Monroe's comments, I believe this would be his answer) 4. Solich has repaired structural problems - I meant this to mean that in the past there were some things that made success at Ohio much more difficult, particularly things like the lack of a summer school program allowing students to remain on campus during the summer, and poor facilities, including the lack of an IPF. Solich has improved those things, and thus, in the future the next coach won't have these limitations (I would have guessed this to be your answer, Wes) Others: "It's all random luck" and "I have no particular reason" were meant to fill space, and to provide catch-all answers for those who didn't want to put much thought into the poll. "Nostradamous" was intended for humor only. The final answer was intended to give people who disagree with the premise of the poll, that Ohio will improve in the future, an answer they could choose. Had I thought of your answer, Wes, I would have included it, and dropped one of the others such as "It's all random luck" or "Nostradamous". “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,630 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/25/2017 8:21:44 PM  LynxRufus6 wrote: This thread has been on of the better discussions I've seen on this board in quite some time. A lot of opinions. Some great, some head scratchers for sure. Mainly the one about the MAC being comparable to the AAC and not wanting an innovative offense. Sorry guy, the athletes that can turn this program into MAC champions are the same kids who love the flashy uniforms and the Blur-like offenses (see Oregon '07-'15). With that being said, Frank has lifted OU into a consistent contender in the MAC East. However, in year 13*? I think it's time that we as a fan base can start raising the bar for success. No matter how selfish that sounds, I find it very important that if we want to see the Cats start winning games that matter we need to think about pressuring the coaching staff to start winning the big ones. The foundation has been set, the facilities have been modified, the talent is arguably here already. I think the development of a quarterback and poor play-calling/scheme is what is holding the program back now. The quicker Tim Albin is canned, the quicker we can start to raise the bar. In my opinion, whenever Solich steps down I want the program to sign an FCS head coach who is ready to make the jump to the next level. On the other hand, I'm very interested in Ryan Day, the new QB coach at OSU who is a Chip Kelly guy. Has a ton of great ties around college football and could maybe one day become a pretty great coach. That too could lead to a young coach hopping out of here within a few years of success. That's why I'd like to see an older, successful FCS coach in Athens. +1 Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/26/2017 4:06:24 AM  Sounds like Ryan Day's day should be this fall. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: Ohio will win the MAC after Solich retires because    Posted: 3/26/2017 11:22:34 PM  L.C. wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: ...Whatever. The poll was laced with sarcasm. ... I did not intend anything to be sarcastic, and I apologize if you interpreted it. After I ran out reasons that I could think of for believing things would be better, I did include a humorous answer (Nostradamous), but it was not intended to detract from the serious answers. Some of the answers were rather short because of the limitations of a poll format, and I apologize for that. To clarify what I intended some of the answers to mean: 2. History doesn't repeat - I meant this to mean that the past has no bearing on the future, so there is no reason to believe that just because Ohio struggled in the past that they will struggle at any particular point in the future. 3. there were no structural reasons - I meant this to mean that Ohio's failures of the past were due solely to the coaches who were hired in the past, and that there is no limitations on how good Ohio might have been with different coaches (based on Monroe's comments, I believe this would be his answer) 4. Solich has repaired structural problems - I meant this to mean that in the past there were some things that made success at Ohio much more difficult, particularly things like the lack of a summer school program allowing students to remain on campus during the summer, and poor facilities, including the lack of an IPF. Solich has improved those things, and thus, in the future the next coach won't have these limitations (I would have guessed this to be your answer, Wes) Others: "It's all random luck" and "I have no particular reason" were meant to fill space, and to provide catch-all answers for those who didn't want to put much thought into the poll. "Nostradamous" was intended for humor only. The final answer was intended to give people who disagree with the premise of the poll, that Ohio will improve in the future, an answer they could choose. Had I thought of your answer, Wes, I would have included it, and dropped one of the others such as "It's all random luck" or "Nostradamous". Ok. I accept your apology. I thought the intent was to stir things up in the offseason with this poll so I responded in a stirred up manner to play along. My answer is Ohio is not far off the average AAC or ACC program anymore with its brand and its ability to compete in the postseason. 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