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allen
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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 2:46:59 PM

cc-cat wrote:

Are you Monroe? I never connected the dots between you two. Interesting. I'm wondering what Schaus told you guys when you addressed with him that it was time for Frank to go.

I am not Monroe, you can attempt to put me in a box to support your narrative, it does not make you any more credible. At some point, we have to be real, FS tenure cannot be considered great until he wins. FS is not in it for himself, he is in it for his players, he could retire tomorrow and he would be fine. He wants to give his all to these players and see them succeed at the highest level.
You may believe that by worshipping him you are fighting his battles. You may believe that setting mediocre standards to get him moral victories is helping him. I look at it like this. Bad company corrupts good morals (1 Corinthians 15:33), don't yoke yourself with nonbelievers. Frank should speak in mediocre circles to lift mediocre fans, but he should not be held down by them.
As an Ohio fan, I like FS. I believe that he needs to be adaptable and flexible and make changes to get us over the hump and he is trying to do that. I am not upset that we lost last year. I love what we overcame, I am not comfortable either. We don't have to be so polarized, you can be for a guy and want change.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 3:53:44 PM

I have no narrative and please show me one post from me where I worship Frank. One. Just one.

I didn't think you were Monroe but you jumped in on a question which I posed and will represent. Monroe. What did Schaus say when you questioned why Frank is still our coach?

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 5:01:49 PM

cc-cat wrote:

You and Monroe are polar opposites. I understand what you are saying and I understand what Monroe is saying. Ultimately, it is the AD's decision, but just because Monroe has a view, that does not mean that he has to ask the AD or vice versa. I like FS, if I were the AD, I would expect more than being bowl eligible from the third or fourth highest paid coach in the MAC with 12 years experience. FS has to get a QB and fix our offensive woes and fix our passing defense. I would not try to control who he hires or fires, but we would be talking about those woes in his yearly review. We all go to work and are held accountable for our performance, coach Solich is no different. FS questioned the play-calling and the outrgeous cushions being given, let's see what happens next season.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 5:18:16 PM

Monroe and I are polar opposites. Really? How?

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 5:36:37 PM

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Monroe and I are polar opposites. Really? How?

You are ready to build Solich a statue and he is ready to send him packing.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 6:11:07 PM

allen wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

Monroe and I are polar opposites. Really? How?

You are ready to build Solich a statue and he is ready to send him packing.

You have no clue. Show me one post where I worship Frank. One post where I hold him up as an Ohio God. Here's one for you. One post where I say Frank has earned the right to stay on as long as he wants. One post where I say I am content with the current condition of the program. Just of any of those. Go for it my friend. Take your time.

While I wait on that I'll also continue to wait to hear from Monroe on if he has used this off-season to reach out to Schaus or not.

Last Edited: 4/19/2017 6:12:28 PM by cc-cat

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 6:59:28 PM

cc-cat wrote:

allen wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

Monroe and I are polar opposites. Really? How?

You are ready to build Solich a statue and he is ready to send him packing.

Here is a post where you defended mediocrity.

I think folks are confusing the objective and interest of the program with that of the student-athlete. And I know at least one poster appears to be confusing OHIO football with Alabama.

The goal of the OHIO football (and other sports) program is to win games (and yes, a MACC) with student-athletes that proudly represent the university both on and off the field. The goal at an Alabama, Clemson, FSU, etc. absolutely takes a shift to the winning versus the concern for the student-athlete. Let's be clear, anyone that thinks Saban has the same concern for the student-athlete as Frank (or other MAC coaches) is delusional. Saban, et all, only care about eligibility, OHIO cares about the student.

All student-athletes come on campus with, yes, the team goal of winning, but also with the individual athletic goals to 1. compete, 2. start, 3. excel, 4. possibly have the opportunity to play professionally. Outside of the football factories, most appreciate that "4" is a dream. A reality that is often quickly realized.

At Ohio, the student-athlete comes on campus with the first and foremost goal of getting an education.

While there are student-athletes at Alabama, Clemson, etc. that appreciate the academic opportunity afforded them (I personally know the starting TE at Georgia and he falls into this area) most set foot on campus of a factory with the single-minded goal (often delusional) that they will be playing on Sunday. Few do. At OHIO we do not regularly attract such an athlete (both from an athletic ability and delusional perspective). And that is okay.

While on campus, I had the pleasure to get to know most every basketball player my junior and senior year. Because of student housing, I also became friends with a number of football players. While each wanted to win games, there was not one that would trade their diploma for a MACC. Not one. Not even considered. Student first. Athlete second. Champion third.

As an alum, I would not want a player that put a MACC ahead of his diploma (or even his/her grades). I would not want an administration that encouraged such values in the program, or encouraged such values in our student-athletes. And as an administration, I would tell any fan or booster that harbored even an inkling of such an environment to take their allegiance and finances and go elsewhere - for you are not OHIO.

As a University we are not the athletic program of Alabama, OSU, Clemson, nor do I want to be. As an academic institution, we are not a Harvard, nor can we be...nor do I want to be.

We are not going to be Boise in football.
We are not going to be a Gonzaga in basketball.
We are OHIO. Our attitude towards athletics is different. Our ethos as a university are different. If, as an alum, you don't get that (or want that)....then you don't get OHIO. And that is a shame.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 7:14:16 PM

And that post defends mediocrity how? By saying I want our athletes to continue to put getting their diploma above getting a MACC - and if fact they do. Is that defending mediocrity? Really? That post is "defending mediocrity". Ooookay.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 7:20:53 PM

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I love student athletes that excel in the classroom. We are not in the top 25 academically and we have our share of player scandals. These are subliminal defenses of Solich. You appear on every single coach Solich related thread to defend him. For the record, he did a great job this year, kudos to him, but his job is not done. Frank Solich stated his goal is to be in the top 25 and be a perenial top 40 team. Here is another one of your post that was rebutted well.

cc-cat wrote:
Much discussion (too much) has been applied to the three losses this past year by 27+ points. In looking at our schedule, I found it interesting that we sandwiched those losses with wins of 27+ points. We also added in another win of 17+. Very up and down/hot and cold. Something that you often find with young teams. Made me want to take a look at the blow out/blown out results of the conference.

I used 17 as the blow out/blown out point. Arbitrary (as is 27), but I based it on a general perspective that a 3 score win is dominant and after reaching a 3 score deficit, offenses often change their approach in order to try to stay in the game. That said, I acknowledge 17 is arbitrary. So looking at conference games only:

Ohio 6 games total - 3 wins, 3 losses. Interesting points, 1 loss was to BG which had 6 wins by 17 or more, 1 loss was to WMU that had 4 such wins. The Buffulo loss was the real egg. Same distinction can be made for the wins (BSU loss 4 by 17+, Kent 4, Miami 3).

Ohio 6 games total - 3 wins, 3 losses
Others:
Akron 4 games total - 3 wins, 1 loss
BGSU 6 games total - 6 wins, 0 losses (did lose to Toledo by 16)
Kent 4 games total - 0 wins, 4 losses
Buffs 3 games total - 1 win , 2 losses
Miami 3 games total - 0 wins, 3 losses
UMASS 2 games total - 0 wins, 2 losses
BSU 4 games total - 0 wins, 4 losses
WMU 4 games total - 4 wins, 0 losses
CMU 1 game total - 1 wins, 0 losses
EMU 4 games total - 0 wins, 4 losses
NIU 4 games total - 3 wins, 1 loss
Tol 3 games total - 3 wins, 0 losses

Conclude what you wish. My thinking is we got smoked by two really good teams. Teams that smoked many of their opponents. We also were able to get on top of teams. Something that NIU and Toledo also did (though they generally did not get smoked). The Buffalo game is the WTF game.

Interesting that no other team had the extremes we did. I'll defer to excat and others that played the game for us, but high peaks and low lows are often realized by young teams. A year under their belts - will be interesting and fun to see how next year unfolds.

The rebuttal

Not sure I buy the youth argument? Ohio was far more inexperienced in 2013 when they went 5-5, 4-3 in the same scoring margin specs you set above. In fact the 2015 was the most experienced Ohio has fielded in the last four years when it comes to upperclassmen on the roster. I think the bigger question is why is this team in so many games that are blowouts (in either direction)....20 in the last 4 years in the MAC? 9-11 in those games. That's 63% of MAC games decided by 17 points or more (either way). Overall Ohio is 16-15 in 17+ scoring margin games in the last 4 years....7-4 OOC, 9-11 in MAC. I'm not going to factor every MAC team in here....but I'm going to guess that's an abundantly large number for a program that would like to be considered a top-tier program in their respective league? Maybe it's not. I totally understand the thought process of inexperience leads to these numbers....but the facts show Ohio cannot lean on that. The most experienced team in terms of upperclassmen played in 9 of these games in 2015....the least experienced team played in 10 of them in 2013.

My conclusion....there's just something off when it comes to this. I just don't see other good teams have the wild swings in blowout wins and losses as much as Ohio does in the course of a season.

2012 (4-2, 1-2) with 46 upperclassmen
Wins:
NMSU +27
NSU +34
EMU +31
ULM +31

Losses:
BSU -25
KSU -22

Srs: 21
Jrs: 25

2013 (5-5, 4-3) with 38 upperclassmen
Wins:
Austin Peay +38
Akron +40
EMU +28
Miami +25
UMass +28

Losses:
UL -42
UB -27
BG -49
Kent -31
ECU -17

Srs: 20
Jrs: 18

2014 (1-5, 1-3) with 40 upperclassmen
Wins:
UB +23

Losses:
UK -17
Marshall -30
CMU -18
BG -18
WMU -21

2014
Srs: 15
Jrs: 25

2015 (6-3, 3-3) with 49 upperclassmen
Wins:
Idaho +17
SELA +21
Miami +31
Kent +27
Ball +17

Losses:
WMU -35
UB -24
BG -38

2015
Srs: 20
Jrs: 29

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 7:30:16 PM

cc-cat wrote:

allen wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

Monroe and I are polar opposites. Really? How?

You are ready to build Solich a statue and he is ready to send him packing.

As you requested.

It is interesting that we are something like 50-1 when leading at halftime under Solich. the only loss is the MACC game - That one aberration is the cause of incredible angst - Had the "1" been any other game, Monroe/Allen and others would be singing Solich's praise. One game....one half, completely defining an argument. Just find it interesting.

WE WOULD BE SINGING HIS PRAISES LIKE WHO?

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 8:19:27 PM

Still see nothing that embraces mediocrity. Would be interesting how folks would feel had we not gagged in the MACC. That one half collapse appears to have soiled the one prize folks want.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 8:21:12 PM

I gotta say, in this Allen vs. CC-cat debate, CC-cat's described my view/philosophy on Ohio athletics and its athletes PERFECTLY. Do I want to see a MACC? Of course I do, duh! Do I want to see the team have a 100% graduation rate even more? Damn straight! Whether Coach Solich has recruited the best "citizens" of the community I will leave for others to debate (the recent rash of arrests aren't helpful) but at least the very vast majority of players he has recruited have likewise placed a premium on academics and graduating.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 8:26:51 PM

cc-cat wrote:

Still see nothing that embraces mediocrity. Would be interesting how folks would feel had we not gagged in the MACC. That one half collapse appears to have soiled the one prize folks want.

Yes, two times in the MACC we were very, very close to winning. I too am very disappointed that we lost those two games. I was in attendance both times. And, I know that close only counts in horseshoe and hand grenades. However, I think those close losses in the last two MACCs indicate the program is getting closer -- not farther -- from being the class of the conference. I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 8:33:33 PM

Allen while you frantically search my past threads you should look this one up from last January
it's an oldie but a goodie in response to Monroe as he goes on a "you embrace mediocrity" rant as you are.

"(Monroe) Maybe you were referring to this pm from me to you:

"Am I happy with where we are? No. Do I think we should make a coaching change. Absolutely not. Makes zero sense. I've been very clear that I think we should not extend Frank, but have him finish out his contract next year. Makes the most sense on every front: football front, future coaching front, business front, PR front, etc."

I guess YOU interpreted that as "on the right track." - simply because it is not on the same track as you."

At the time Frank's contract was thought to be expiring after this season. But Allen you keep searching for subliminal messages in posts that don't support what you want and keep us posted.

Last Edited: 4/19/2017 8:55:22 PM by cc-cat

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 9:23:47 PM

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I was just trying to get you and Monroe to understand each other. I see that you don't worship Solich, but you defend him on every thread. I like what FS did lst year so I am onboard, but Monroe has a point.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 9:24:24 PM

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cc-cat wrote:

Still see nothing that embraces mediocrity. Would be interesting how folks would feel had we not gagged in the MACC. That one half collapse appears to have soiled the one prize folks want.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 9:29:23 PM

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The point is we don't have either. Why bring up 100% graduation if we don't have it. I think we all want to see players succeed in the classroom. I think the world of our players, we have had a lot players that have broken the law. They are 18-23 year olds, they are still learning.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 9:40:42 PM

allen wrote:

But the reality is Schaus has ZERO reason and interest in getting rid of Frank. I'm not voicing an opinion just being honest and pragmatic. Yet 8,000 post are about no MACC and it's time for Frank to go why can't we all see that. Fine. Take the message to Schaus instead of infiltrating thread after thread. I'd love to hear what Schaus has to say in response to Monroe's angst.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 11:35:59 PM

cc-cat wrote:

allen wrote:

I believe this is what Schaus would say to Monroe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBWF2m6K7sQ

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/19/2017 11:55:16 PM

Let me set it right.

First, allen is me. We all know it.

Yes, cc, Solich did gagged in the one MACC title game and is 0-4 MAC title games, 2-6 bowls. Mediocre.

allen--with Solich's record he'd have been long, long gone from UCinci and long, long, long, long gone with very much animosity from Ohio State.

Thank you, cc, for telling me how I must express my displeasure with Solich. What meet ever.

cc, if you are not for replacing Solich at this point, then you are 1) for Solich and 2) not for a MACC. Those are the proper rules. This one's free, but I'm going to have to start charging you for these from now on.

p.s. good vitriol here. keep it going.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/20/2017 8:13:33 AM

Just don't understand why after 9,000 posts you don't reach out to the one person who apparently is 1) for Solich 2) not for MACC, and 3) controls the situation. Give him a call. That is free. Or you can send a letter. That will have a charge. Otherwise you are simply the Yelp customer that posts 9000 complaints about a restaurant but never reaches out to the owner/manager.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/20/2017 10:04:27 AM

Ya think Schaus doesn't know?

Any chance that he'd be more motivated if everyone...and I mean everyone...here acknowledged reality in a groundswell?

So, why don't I write a nice note to Schaus and stop pounding it here--because it appears that you believe that my one vote to Schaus is all it will take?!

Thank you for allowing me to help you with your M.O.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/20/2017 5:42:47 PM

cc-cat wrote:

Many people who post continuously, often with the same complaints/gripes/whining may be doing it to draw attention to themselves as there often is a need to be the center of attention. Anymore I just chuckle at some of the posts since it's very obvious that those who matter in athletics and administration don't share the sentiment of said poster.

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/20/2017 7:56:58 PM

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cc-cat wrote:

"I just chuckle at some of the posts since it's very obvious that those who matter in athletics and administration don't share the sentiment of said poster."

"...those who matter in athletics and administration don't share the sentiment of said poster."

+1

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RE: The 6 QB's by summer

Posted: 4/20/2017 10:35:35 PM

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cc-cat wrote:

+1

You hit the nail on the head. The dude is only interested in drawing attention to himself. I'm quite certain he secretly cringes at the idea of us actually winning the MACC because he and his argument (one and the same) become irrelevant. I mean, do you really think he was rooting for OHIO on that final drive for the MACC??! Highly doubt his ego would let him. The bottom line is, he doesn't attend any OHIO athletic events and his financial contributions are lame enough where his opinion of Solich doesn't matter to anyone on campus. I could be wrong, maybe he's changed since I started ignoring his posts several months ago when I saw that he began replying to his own posts when no one else would. So pathetic...makes me want to bankroll a new board because he's ruining this one (again, something he's proud of).

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