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Topic: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

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Pataskala
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Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/22/2017 9:42:24 AM

Three are in the MAC: BG, NIU & Fiami: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/02/21/col... /

The East should be pretty much up for grabs next season. Everybody but Kent has a legit shot to win it.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/22/2017 10:52:47 AM

We're still a couple months away, probably, from all the preseason predictions for 2017. Phil Steele, who normally is near the top, had a bad year, last year, and the winner was Athlon:
http://preseason.stassen.com/prediction-accuracy/2016.html

He still has a huge lead over everyone else over the last five years:
http://preseason.stassen.com/prediction-accuracy/2017-5yr...

But over the last three years, it's pretty much a dead heat between a lot of magazines and online pickers:
http://preseason.stassen.com/prediction-accuracy/2017-3yr...

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/22/2017 10:39:49 PM

Fiami had it's rebound year last year.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/23/2017 12:18:39 AM

Wes--Sorry for being redundant. Really, I am...But you don't think that the following gives redhawk a decided, important advantage over us (and everyone else in the MAC / MAC East)??

redhawk started 0-6 last year. Then they went to Ragland at qb. He didn't throw a ball in their 0-6 start. Then he led them to a 6 game winning streak before their bowl loss. He threw 179 passes for 17 td's and 1 interception. He was a sophomore last year.

I now see that he threw 3 td's with no interceptions in 29 throws in 2015. Yes, a total of 20 td's and 1 INT.

Those are startling numbers. Maybe all that was a one-time, hot streak.

But if he was our qb, how would you feel about our prospects for the coming year?

Miami surely has to be pretty much the favorite in the East for next year unless they have some serious deficits at other positions.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/23/2017 8:39:37 AM

Monroe Slavin TODAY wrote:

redhawk started 0-6 last year. Then they went to Ragland at qb. He didn't throw a ball in their 0-6 start. Then he led them to a 6 game winning streak before their bowl loss. He threw 179 passes for 17 td's and 1 interception. He was a sophomore last year.

I now see that he threw 3 td's with no interceptions in 29 throws in 2015. Yes, a total of 20 td's and 1 INT.

Those are startling numbers. Maybe all that was a one-time, hot streak.

But if he was our qb, how would you feel about our prospects for the coming year?

Miami surely has to be pretty much the favorite in the East for next year unless they have some serious deficits at other positions.

Monroe Slavin after OHIO beat Buffalo wrote:

We would almost have to try to lose the MAC East.

There are some impressively bad teams in the MAC East.

Okay. I get it. Many of you are now readying your posts attacking me for saying that. Good for you. You're on your game.

But note that the other teams in the MAC East are 14-32 overall. Clearly that includes games in which MAC East teams played each other. I imagine that the record of MAC East teams excluding their games against each other is something like 6-24. Some bad football.

Yes, we've been a lot better over the last two games (one of which was against a team in MAC West). But some consideration for the quality of ball in the MAC East is needed

So when Miami has a 6-game winning streak against the MAC, they're a lock-down favorite. When Ohio has success against the MAC, you provide a very different analysis.

Which is it? Either beating MAC teams is pointless and carries no special notoriety, or beating MAC teams is a real indicator of conference dominance.

Last Edited: 2/23/2017 8:40:39 AM by Robert Fox

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/23/2017 8:54:26 AM

What Monroe does bring up, and is the big difference here, is Miami's QB play after they inserted Ragland into the lineup. I'm assuming Monroe's stats on Ragland are correct. If they are, a 20-1 TD to interception ratio is outstanding! For Monroe, it's Miami's QB position that gives them the edge here and I tend to agree. If we had a QB with those stats we'd probably feel pretty giddy about our chances. So I think its the potential at the QB spot that possibly gives Miami the edge.

Time will tell and we will see how 2017 plays out.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/23/2017 9:02:48 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

And if Ohio's QB had similar stats, Monroe would focus on the level of competition, discounting the achievement as loudly as he could.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/23/2017 3:28:46 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

And if Ohio's QB had similar stats, Monroe would focus on the level of competition, discounting the achievement as loudly as he could.

Spot on . . . you've got the dude figured out.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/23/2017 5:55:36 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

And if Ohio's QB had similar stats, Monroe would focus on the level of competition, discounting the achievement as loudly as he could.

Spot on . . . you've got the dude figured out.

I think most people had him figured out years ago.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/23/2017 8:50:56 PM

mid70sbobcat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

And if Ohio's QB had similar stats, Monroe would focus on the level of competition, discounting the achievement as loudly as he could.

Spot on . . . you've got the dude figured out.

I think most people had him figured out years ago.

Hey, Man, he only reports facts, nothing but the facts. ;-)

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/23/2017 11:26:51 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

And if Ohio's QB had similar stats, Monroe would focus on the level of competition, discounting the achievement as loudly as he could.

That is, as you all know, so much garbage.

My criteria is, first and foremost, a MAC title.

Does it not make sense to think that qb is the single most important position in football?

If we had a qb who'd put up numbers such as Miami's qb has, everyone on this board would be EXCITED and thinking not only MAC title but national prominence.

To compare a quote that I made in mid-season before Miami's qb led them to a turnaround with a comment made after the season ended..well, things changeg in some respects.

Of course, kents, akron, beefaloe and bg still stunk for the most part last year such that winning the East was good but not spectacular.

Seriously, I get trolling. But I think you guys really aren't. You just think so illogically.

You couldn't admit I may be right if your lives depended on it. That's lame on you guys, weak.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/23/2017 11:28:01 PM

Yeah, the achieved facts are my way.

So, go on, ignore the facts and do your illogical conclusions.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/24/2017 12:36:10 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

mid70sbobcat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

And if Ohio's QB had similar stats, Monroe would focus on the level of competition, discounting the achievement as loudly as he could.

Spot on . . . you've got the dude figured out.

I think most people had him figured out years ago.

Hey, Man, he only reports facts, nothing but the facts. ;-)

I agree .. but I think one of us should have clarified and made it clear they are 'selective' facts and not inclusive of ALL facts.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/24/2017 2:55:40 PM

mid70sbobcat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

mid70sbobcat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

And if Ohio's QB had similar stats, Monroe would focus on the level of competition, discounting the achievement as loudly as he could.

Spot on . . . you've got the dude figured out.

I think most people had him figured out years ago.

Hey, Man, he only reports facts, nothing but the facts. ;-)

I agree .. but I think one of us should have clarified and made it clear they are 'selective' facts and not inclusive of ALL facts.

This would be true!

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/25/2017 4:08:01 AM

You guys' ability to not recognize the significant facts is impressive.

You doubtless got you convinced that Solich is the best coach in the MAC and one of the tops in America despite no MAC title in 12 years, with the MAC perennially being about the weakest D1 conference.

I know. It would cause you all grievous physical and psychological injury to admit that I keep being right year after year.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/25/2017 8:50:05 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

That is, as you all know, so much garbage.

My criteria is, first and foremost, a MAC title.

You couldn't admit I may be right if your lives depended on it. That's lame on you guys, weak.

And "your criteria" means exactly what? Nothing. The criteria that is relevant is that of Schaus, McDavis (and new President), Board of Trustees and those who actually carry weight and are decision makers. Not someone who is a broken record and thinks a single criteria defines success. In the corporate world any executive has many criteria he or she is evaluated on ... and not one thing. That is something I would have thought you could comprehend.

And no, you are not right. If you were the real decision makers would have agreed with you and we'd have a new coach. Re-evaluate who is lame and/or weak.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/25/2017 12:40:53 PM

Excellent post above Mid70's! Unfortunately this specific poster is like a bad headache that won't go away.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/25/2017 4:34:20 PM

mid70sbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

That is, as you all know, so much garbage.

My criteria is, first and foremost, a MAC title.

You couldn't admit I may be right if your lives depended on it. That's lame on you guys, weak.

Really horrible post.

Sure, everyone goes to the games and watches...and then turns to McDavis and Schaus and the trustees to see how they feel about the outcome. Then, based on how those folks feel about the game, the fans are satisfied or dissatisfied.

No one looks at the scoreboard or the overall record or standings/achievement in the MAC.

Nice alternative facts, dude.

Sure, football fans at OSU and USC and Alabama don't care about titles. They want to see how the AD, the Pres, and the trustees feel about the games.

That's weird.
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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/25/2017 4:34:42 PM

I high-five me.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/25/2017 7:42:20 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

mid70sbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

That is, as you all know, so much garbage.

My criteria is, first and foremost, a MAC title.

You couldn't admit I may be right if your lives depended on it. That's lame on you guys, weak.

Not a darn thing I posted is 'alternative facts'. It is YOU who needs to deal with FACTS and those that our leadership at Ohio deems pertinent. Your criteria are 100% irrelevant as is mine. A big difference between you and I is I realize a MACC is NOT, and never will be, the only relevant criteria to evaluate our coach. I don't think you understand all the criteria that Frank is evaluated on and how well he's done during his tenure in many of those areas. Instead you obsess with a single facet. Good for you.

And I do agree with you that people look at the scores and records of our teams as well as accomplishments. And the fact is they like what they see. So what's your point?

And I noted you, who supposedly work in the corporate world, chose (once again) to ignore the FACT that any corporate executive who holds any real responsibility is evaluated on MANY criteria, and not just one. I spent years in the corporate world and I got a big laugh out of thinking what it would have been like to be evaluated on just one aspect of my job.

And last, just to help you understand our football program versus those of OSU, USC and Alabama --- we don't contend for national championships and with 99.99% probability never will. So sure, those programs may be concerned about that. And those coaches may have different criteria they are evaluated on than MAC coaches.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/25/2017 9:51:28 PM

Ohio can in a big season go undefeated and contend for a national title. The schedule is built for it. The best Frank has been able to do is a 4 loss season so far in a division with MAC second tier Miami, Buffalo, Kent and Akron in it. Definitely could be better but with consecutive 8 win seasons he's safe for a while so being alarmist isn't going to achieve anything.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/26/2017 12:45:59 PM

There's a difference between saying that he's safe (which is apparently quite true) and that he's anything other than extremely average to mediocre.

In 12 years at OHIO, two seasons with four losses and every other season with more than four is dreadful.

A head coach of a D1 football team is to football coaching at all levels as a publicly listed (stock exchange) company is to all companies...in a rough way.

Anyone who thinks that the stock price is not far and away the first criteria that the board of directors and shareholders consider in evaluating coach...uh, CEO...performance must not live in these United States.

Same re won/loss record and titles for a D1 football coach evaluation.

Thank you for making this easy for me.

Last Edited: 2/26/2017 12:47:03 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/26/2017 2:54:51 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

In 12 years at OHIO, two seasons with four losses and every other season with more than four is dreadful.

A head coach of a D1 football team is to football coaching at all levels as a publicly listed (stock exchange) company is to all companies...in a rough way.

Anyone who thinks that the stock price is not far and away the first criteria that the board of directors and shareholders consider in evaluating coach...uh, CEO...performance must not live in these United States

Thank you for making this easy for me.

No Monroe, dreadful is what we experienced with Cleve And Lichty. We're no where near those days. You live in a fantasy world where you make up things.

Re: Stock price and CEO's. Ever hear of a bear market? The best CEO in the world can't fight a bear most of the time. I could come up with reasons stocks go up that have nothing to do with a CEO. Bank stocks have been on a tear lately. Is that due to great CEO's? Not really, it's largely in part due to lesser regulations for the banking industry. I'm going to guess you don't work for a publicly traded company.

Thanks for making this yet easier for me.

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/26/2017 3:17:21 PM

Okay, so you're happy with better than Lichty and Cleve. Good for you

A bear market is a tide that sinks almost all companies. What does that have to do with the performance of a given company over 12 years.

When you have to resort to whatareyoutalkingaboutTrumplogic to support your position, it may not be the way you want to go.

Oh, great. Now, we're going to call him 'Bear Solich' and it's going to be for exactly the opposite reasons of the Bryant from Alabama.

I for one will not stand for such mockery of THE OHIO UNIVERSITY.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

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RE: Ten G5 teams ready to rebound next year

Posted: 2/26/2017 3:24:25 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

A bear market is a tide that sinks almost all companies. What does that have to do with the performance of a given company over 12 years.

When you have to resort to whatareyoutalkingaboutTrumplogic to support your position, it may not be the way you want to go.

Oh, great. Now, we're going to call him 'Bear Solich' and it's going to be for exactly the opposite reasons of the Bryant from Alabama.

You high-five me!

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