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Topic: RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Topic: RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

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Campus Flow
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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/18/2017 9:51:08 PM

ytownbobcat wrote:

Are staff defections a signal that Frank has a horizon established for his retirement?

I think the above is being overlooked by BAers.

Solich I'm sure would like to finish as high up in the record books as possible and he has 88 wins. He needs 12 more for 100, 20 more for 108 to tie Bill Hess and 33 more for 121 to tie Don Peden. Over the last 10 years Frank has won 75 games 7.5 a years. Going at his usual pace he would have the all time win record at Ohio by 2021 the 5th year for this years recruits. Could be there by 2020 on the schedule Ohio has mapped out. If Solich wins 9+ this year after back-2-back 8 win seasons I think its going to quiet most of the detractors.

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Monroe Slavin
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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/19/2017 3:55:23 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

mid70sbobcat wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Don't make me recite my list of achieved facts reality again.

For once, I agree with Monroe.

Don't make him recite his list of achieved facts reality again. Please.

+1

He's the definition of repetition or redundancy ... and not terribly educated/informed at that.

Monroe doesn't report fake news, he's invented a whole new category. It's quasi-fact news. He culls out data points that fit his narrative, ignores evidence to the contrary, and then repeats his points until most just give up and stop responding, not because he's won a debate, but because he's just worn them down and they don't want to keep rehashing the same old drivel over and over. I will give the guy credit for stamina I will also say that his acknowledgment in this thread that he might have made a slight error and that some of our coaches -- but not the top three -- are good coaches is a rarity. What isn't a rarity is that he'll just fine tune his mantra and continue plugging away.

Wes--If Solich stays 90 more years at 7 or so wins a year, then he'll probably hold or be near the all time coaching record for victories.

Of course, he won't win a MAC title, though.

But your theory is that mediocrity gains respect the longer it goes on?

OCF--Drool all you want. But the following are 1) relevant 2) facts. pm me and I'll explain the concept to you.

No MACC in 12 years.

8-6 last year, being both worse than the prior year's 8-5 and achieved with a slew of All-MAC players.

Lost 3 of last 4 games.

Returning little in the way of proven talent at qb and receiver for the coming season.

0-4 MAC title games.

2-6 in bowl games.

Miami's returning qb did not throw a pass in their 0-6 start but went 6-1, throwing 179 balls for 17 td's and 1 interception after he took over.

Deal
with
it.

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/19/2017 1:12:17 PM

To me this is a good move for everyone. We realize how good our defensive lines have been the last few years and coaching plays a huge part. Sucks that he's moving on but he's earned the promotion to a bigger program.

When our coaches leave to move up it tells me they're doing a good job. Sure I continually rip Solich on this board (and always will). But when I read that our guys are moving up because of capabilities of filling a slot on a stabilized staff, that's a real good sign to me. Wish more of our coaches were wanted by other programs and for this position to have someone advance is a long time coming for him. So Congrats to Coach Williams, hopefully Kansas continues to improve.

On another note, can we not have a coach go to an upcoming opponent?? I would like to formally declare shenanigans and get out my broom! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvK1F-Thrzk

Deciduous Forest Cat
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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/19/2017 2:34:23 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

8-6 last year, being both worse than the prior year's 8-5 and achieved with a slew of All-MAC players.

You're an accountant, right? If so, you're pretty bad at Math. You realize that 8-6 means we played one more game than an 8-5 team, right? You realize that's because we won our division and earned the right to play an extra game against a very good team, and last season it happened to be against a top 15 team? right? Even you can see that, can't you? You know you're the trump of this board, don't you?

L.C.
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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/19/2017 4:44:49 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

8-6 last year, being both worse than the prior year's 8-5 and achieved with a slew of All-MAC players.

Yes, it's a peculiar argument that going 8-5 plus playing in the MACC, but losing, is worse than going 8-5 and not qualifying for the MACC.

I'm not convinced he's the Trump of this board, though. I used to think so, but there have been some incidents recently where Trump seems to have learned new things, and changed his stance.

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/19/2017 7:51:23 PM

DFC--

Do you have any 2 x 4's around your house?

'cause it would be very inconvenient for me carry one when I travel cross country to smack some sense into you.

8-6 is less good than 8-5.

Played an extra game? Then go back and win one of those 6 we lost and I would have one less detrimental fact to submit.

But we didn't.

Are you aware that 6 is more than 5?

Thanks for playing, though.

L.C.--What you wrote is, at the very best..in the most favorable light...disingenuous. It's pure fiction.

1) My facts are not fake. 2) I don't change them and change back, etc.

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/19/2017 8:12:58 PM

I would question why the poster from California who continually berates the Bobcat football program even wants to venture onto this website. I am certain that many schools in that great state out west like USC, UCLA, Stanford, San Jose and Cal would enjoy reading your constant negative rants. Please enlighten them with your football knowledge. Why would you want to possibly raise your blood pressure and risk a heart attack bad mouthing the Bobcats every chance you get?

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/19/2017 10:03:31 PM

L.C. wrote:

. . . I'm not convinced he's the Trump of this board, though. I used to think so, but there have been some incidents recently where Trump seems to have learned new things, and changed his stance.

ROTFL! ;-)

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L.C.
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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/19/2017 10:06:47 PM

Monroe, you'd think that being compared to a person who is a billionaire, and who you even managed to be elected President, despite having no background in politics, would be a compliment. I'm sure that many of the traits you share have helped you be more successful.

I'm not going to get into the whole "fake facts" debate. There seem to be more than enough fake facts to go around for both sides.

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mid70sbobcat
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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/20/2017 8:35:30 AM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

8-6 last year, being both worse than the prior year's 8-5 and achieved with a slew of All-MAC players.

I tried this approach a while back but Monroe chose to go with 'alternative facts'. He always ranted about 3 or 4 'crashing' losses a year. And last year we lose by 2, 9, 7, 7, 6 and 5 points. Clearly no 'crashing' losses. And we lose 2 games to teams ranked in the top 15 or 20 (Tenn. and WMU). And Troy beats us by 5. The same Troy team that played National Champion Clemson to a close 6 point loss. I say let him live in his selective facts world.

L.C.
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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/20/2017 11:53:00 AM

As a side note, the "crashing losses" were mostly a result of the switch to the new defensive scheme. The longer they have used it, the less of them they had, and this year, the only game where the defense really had serious issues was the first one. It seems they finally have it to the point where it is becoming very effective. I don't think it's a coincidence that the two coaches Ohio lost this year were defensive coaches.

Last Edited: 2/20/2017 11:54:29 AM by L.C.

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/20/2017 12:33:40 PM

Yawn.

It's great to know that near losses are now okay. So, if, for instance, we wen 5-7 but the losses were close, then it'd be a terrific season.

And, I think that we all appreciate inability to tell the difference between my vigorous, fact-based argument and a President who lies, exaggerates, and so often switches his position.

Which do you like better of the following:

8-6 this year, worse than last year's 8-5, despite this year had several All-MAC players.

Lost 3 of last 4.

0-4 MAC title games.

2-6 bowl games.

Little proven depth returning at qb and receiver.

I realize that the last is, perhaps, arguable. If you're reality-averse.

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/20/2017 12:45:48 PM

To be honest, this may be a momentum hire for Kansas. Basham is going in the second round and Sayles will sign a free agent contract and Robbins is getting looks. If you listen to scouts they say Basham has all the potential in the world, but he needs to be taught technique. Some of them act as if he has not progressed as much as he should. I like the way that the D-line played and I did not break down their technique so I can't say whether he was a good coach or not. The D-line was highly productive and whoever decided to play 8 guys was a genius because we definitely got the most out of our line. I am not worried, Williams can be replaced. Go Cats. As far as this being a referendum on Solich, I don't buy it. As a Cleveland guy, I like Solich, but teams have turned over coaching stafs two or three times since FS started here.

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/20/2017 1:53:40 PM

Congrats to Coach Williams and I wish him nothing but the best. It is odd that our coaches always end up on a future team for the upcoming year. However we dominated last year in Kansas and they took notice. I have respect for Coach Solich because his assistants seem to move on to good places and I believe we will hire some experienced defensive line coach (hopefully from the South or West Coast).

Last Edited: 2/20/2017 1:54:19 PM by ExCat21

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/20/2017 1:59:10 PM

allen wrote:

"teams have turned over coaching stafs two or three times since FS started here." Yes, but, per another thread in the MAC only NIU has won more games in the past decade. Another thought, Ohio currently has scoreboard on two of the last three MAC Champs, NIU & Bowling Green, and last season WMU had to go though Ohio for the title.

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/20/2017 2:54:19 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

allen wrote:

we have all talked about and acknowledged our record against MAC teams versus winning records. We have been a middle tier MAC program that has had a stable coaching staff. Hopefully, we will win the MAC soon, but that the record you quote does not reference the success or lack of success that we have or what our MAC power rating would be if there were such a thing. So basically it is something used to shade our progress or manipulate us. I am still on board, but I am not a lollipop.

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/20/2017 9:37:11 PM

Looks Like De'Angelo Smith has filled the Cornerbacks Coach Position. Went to UC, Drafted in the 5th Round by the Cowboys in 2009, bounced around the NFL for a few years. Spent the last few years with Michigan State (Hello Cover 4) as a GA.

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/20/2017 9:57:20 PM

not the cover four, nooooooooooooooooooo

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/20/2017 10:11:48 PM

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

https://twitter.com/DLO614

http://247sports.com/Player/DeAngelo-Smith-45224?Institut...

Columbus native.

I like this hire.

Welcome Coach Smith

Last Edited: 2/20/2017 10:17:27 PM by Bcat2

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/21/2017 4:19:42 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

https://twitter.com/DLO614

http://247sports.com/Player/DeAngelo-Smith-45224?Institut...

Columbus native.

I like this hire.

Welcome Coach Smith

I welcome him and hope he does well, but the cover four gives up underneith passing yards and I don't want to play prevent defense. I don't want to give anybody an inch. Go Cats, welcome Coach Smith, next time let's hire Dion Byrum

Last Edited: 2/23/2017 4:07:43 PM by allen

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/21/2017 9:07:45 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

allen wrote:

And currently they still own a MAC Championship in the last 49 years.......so scoreboarding anyone when they're down isn't that hard.

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/21/2017 10:19:49 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

allen wrote:

And currently they still own a MAC Championship in the last 49 years.......so scoreboarding anyone when they're down isn't that hard.

Down, like NIU was the week before NIU represented the West in the MACC. Right about BG though, we all want to aspire to winning the MAC then lose ten straight. No fair kicking the MACC two whole conference games after their championship.

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/22/2017 12:53:39 AM

Please find the reservation, dude.

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/22/2017 10:02:03 AM

Bcat2 wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

allen wrote:

And currently they still own a MAC Championship in the last 49 years.......so scoreboarding anyone when they're down isn't that hard.

yes if we can win a MAC championship, beat top 25 teams, I don't mind a hangover, however FS wouldn't get poached because of his age. I rather have been to the mountain top and been in a valley, versus never going to the mountain top.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: Coach Williams to Kansas?

Posted: 2/23/2017 3:57:09 PM

allen wrote:

So you don't mind a hangover, eh? You DO have some Meigs County Gold, and SE Ohio Shine stashed away! I knew it! This explains everything.

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