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Topic:  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/19/2017 8:53:16 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Brian Smith wrote:
OUPride wrote:
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Well for Miami, they got $100 million to throw around right now. When ya get a chance for bball go check out their facilities and compare em to ours.


Explain how Fiami has $100M to throw around right now.



You didn't hear? The collar tax is going to be abolished.


As I've told you before on Bobcat Attack many times and you dont want to heed my warnings, they have been on a 100 million athletics capital campaign that will include either a new lr renovated bball arena. Heck, they raised a new turf baseball field in two weeks, renovated their hockey weight room Lready, and built the performance facility that was shown as first message. Now, care to wonder why I have been trying to warn you that they're raising a war-chest right now?


Heed your warnings? War-chest?

It's a freaking athletic department. It's sports.

Stop making it sound like they're going to aim ICBM's at our campus.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/19/2017 9:28:18 PM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
To me,the University is selling the overall program to a recruit.
Therefore having an IPF and Academic/Reception Center are the important factors,even if they aren't the newest or most "glitzy".



Having new stuff impresses some people a lot and others not as much. There wasn't much in that video that Ohio doesn't have. Ohio's is just older.


Have you seen our facilities?
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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/19/2017 9:34:47 PM 
SBH wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
OUPride wrote:
L.C. wrote:
One could argue that Akron was already first.


You give Akron way too little credit. Their last President didn't just bankrupt the athletic department. He bankrupted the whole damned university.



Proenza is the one who racked up all the debt. He oversaw the disastrous InfoCision build, new student center, new IPF/track & field house, new rec center, etc. All of that was done on mounds of debt, and when enrollment declined it sent the school into a tailspin. For the record, most universities in Ohio did/are doing the same thing (including Ohio). It's just the losers in the enrollment race that are feeling the pain right now.

If they had InfoCision to do over again, I think Akron would have dropped football, left the MAC for the Horizon, built InfoCision Arena and worked to get an invite to greener pastures like the MVC. It would have made sense. Now they have an albatross of a stadium that gets used a handful of times a year and requires huge debt service payments. It should serve as a dark lesson for any MAC school.


People said much the same about the Convo and Ohio in the early to mid-1970s. State bailed us out.



Ummm... have you looked at state support for higher ed lately? We're about as far from 1968 as Court Street is from the Champs-Élysées.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/19/2017 11:26:42 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
SBH wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
OUPride wrote:
L.C. wrote:
One could argue that Akron was already first.


You give Akron way too little credit. Their last President didn't just bankrupt the athletic department. He bankrupted the whole damned university.



Proenza is the one who racked up all the debt. He oversaw the disastrous InfoCision build, new student center, new IPF/track & field house, new rec center, etc. All of that was done on mounds of debt, and when enrollment declined it sent the school into a tailspin. For the record, most universities in Ohio did/are doing the same thing (including Ohio). It's just the losers in the enrollment race that are feeling the pain right now.

If they had InfoCision to do over again, I think Akron would have dropped football, left the MAC for the Horizon, built InfoCision Arena and worked to get an invite to greener pastures like the MVC. It would have made sense. Now they have an albatross of a stadium that gets used a handful of times a year and requires huge debt service payments. It should serve as a dark lesson for any MAC school.


People said much the same about the Convo and Ohio in the early to mid-1970s. State bailed us out.



Ummm... have you looked at state support for higher ed lately? We're about as far from 1968 as Court Street is from the Champs-Élysées.


And in the last budget, Gov. Kasich warned that higher ed better get it under control, and now two years later he's giving sign of a very tight budget with cuts coming in many areas. Education is always one of the first places cut.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 12:44:10 AM 
I know. A highly educated workforce is not attractive to employers.


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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 12:51:58 AM 
SBH wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
OUPride wrote:
L.C. wrote:
One could argue that Akron was already first.


You give Akron way too little credit. Their last President didn't just bankrupt the athletic department. He bankrupted the whole damned university.



Proenza is the one who racked up all the debt. He oversaw the disastrous InfoCision build, new student center, new IPF/track & field house, new rec center, etc. All of that was done on mounds of debt, and when enrollment declined it sent the school into a tailspin. For the record, most universities in Ohio did/are doing the same thing (including Ohio). It's just the losers in the enrollment race that are feeling the pain right now.

If they had InfoCision to do over again, I think Akron would have dropped football, left the MAC for the Horizon, built InfoCision Arena and worked to get an invite to greener pastures like the MVC. It would have made sense. Now they have an albatross of a stadium that gets used a handful of times a year and requires huge debt service payments. It should serve as a dark lesson for any MAC school.


People said much the same about the Convo and Ohio in the early to mid-1970s. State bailed us out.



A. The state of Ohio had a lot more cash to throw around in the 1970s.

B. Reckless athletic spending was a fraction then of what it is now.

C. [Sarah Conner] There's a storm coming. [/Sarah Conner]

Last Edited: 1/20/2017 12:53:27 AM by OUPride
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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 1:30:54 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
I know. A highly educated workforce is not attractive to employers.

Here's a chart you might find interesting:
https://www.marketslant.com/articles/20-years-no-inflatio...

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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Monroe Slavin
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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 3:19:45 AM 
Tell me what people pay.

Yes, for a single male earning 25k for one Obamacare plan in Arizona, rates (set by the state insurance commissioner..a Republican??) were set to rise 116% from about $168 to $444 (something like that)--but he would be eligible for a $280 subsidy--so he'd really pay just about the $168 (not sure what the subsidy was at the first year $168). So, the claims of a 116% Obamacare increase in Arizona were not true for many reasons--only a few faced it and the net they'd pay was, apparently, not much increased at all...and people pay $, not per cents.

So, while tuition has gone up, what do people really pay after scholarships and loans and such?

In other words, let's...un-Trumply...discuss 1) the truth and 2) the whole truth.


I still think that it's good policy for a state to emphasize education--however done--if the idea is to attract employers.


Ain't you down with the whole truth/facts, L.C.?




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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 7:19:26 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Tell me what people pay.

Yes, for a single male earning 25k for one Obamacare plan in Arizona, rates (set by the state insurance commissioner..a Republican??) were set to rise 116% from about $168 to $444 (something like that)--but he would be eligible for a $280 subsidy--so he'd really pay just about the $168 (not sure what the subsidy was at the first year $168). So, the claims of a 116% Obamacare increase in Arizona were not true for many reasons--only a few faced it and the net they'd pay was, apparently, not much increased at all...and people pay $, not per cents.

So, while tuition has gone up, what do people really pay after scholarships and loans and such?

In other words, let's...un-Trumply...discuss 1) the truth and 2) the whole truth.


I still think that it's good policy for a state to emphasize education--however done--if the idea is to attract employers.


Ain't you down with the whole truth/facts, L.C.?



Monroe. A moment please. Where does the $280.00 subsidy come from? Oh, also what is the deductible for your $444.00 policy? Under your plan, how many young people will opt out to pay what in penalties at tax time?

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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 7:57:12 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Tell me what people pay....

So, from your perspective, the ability to take out large amounts of student loans is the same as having low tuition? Interesting.

Last Edited: 1/20/2017 8:39:13 AM by L.C.

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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 9:45:48 AM 
Monroe did work for Countrywide Financial prior to the industry meltdown. So maybe he loves debt, much like the Developer in Chief who takes office today.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 10:01:48 AM 
SBH wrote:
Monroe did work for Countrywide Financial prior to the industry meltdown. So maybe he loves debt, much like the Developer in Chief who takes office today.


"debt" See below. No president has loved debt like our outgoing.

"When you break this down to an amount per taxpayer, the numbers are substantial. The chart below contains this data which shows how it has more than doubled over the past 11 years, rising from $72,051 per taxpayer in 2004 to $154,161 today." dated Apr 2015.

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/mikepatton/files/2015/04/U...

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/mikepatton/files/2015/04/U...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2015/04/24/nationa...



Last Edited: 1/20/2017 10:07:24 AM by Bcat2

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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 10:22:35 AM 
Again, context is needed. Obama and the Fed saved the economy after Bush took the keys to drive it into a ditch.

There's a reason for the debt.

Now, fighting two wars entirely on the credit card of national debt (without providing specific taxpayer funding to support the wars) is a new idea ..Bush II...that significantly added to the national debt.



https://accountonline.citi.com/cards/svc/LoginGet.do?NEXT...

Yes, the national debt is high but Congress approved the spending for reasons, not just to max out the credit card for jollies.



What's the net spending on education (tuition, loans, whatever) over the years a % of government spending.

Concentrating on one item alone gives a distorted viewpoint.


So, being excited about a recruiting class as a way of being over-excited ignores attrition thru such as injuries, grades, lack of interest...and removes the attention from the most important stats...such as no MACC 12 years, worse record this year than last, lost 3 of last 4, Miami returns an experienced qb who went 17 tds and only 1 int.




Don't see any way all can be covered for less premium and deductible without mandating all are included. Look up "adverse selection." It's what caused Arizona to grant the alleged 116% increase.





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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 10:33:09 AM 
Choooo-Choooo
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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 10:38:44 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Again, context is needed. Obama and the Fed saved the economy after Bush took the keys to drive it into a ditch.

There's a reason for the debt.

Now, fighting two wars entirely on the credit card of national debt (without providing specific taxpayer funding to support the wars) is a new idea ..Bush II...that significantly added to the national debt.



https://accountonline.citi.com/cards/svc/LoginGet.do?NEXT...

Yes, the national debt is high but Congress approved the spending for reasons, not just to max out the credit card for jollies.



What's the net spending on education (tuition, loans, whatever) over the years a % of government spending.

Concentrating on one item alone gives a distorted viewpoint.


So, being excited about a recruiting class as a way of being over-excited ignores attrition thru such as injuries, grades, lack of interest...and removes the attention from the most important stats...such as no MACC 12 years, worse record this year than last, lost 3 of last 4, Miami returns an experienced qb who went 17 tds and only 1 int.




Don't see any way all can be covered for less premium and deductible without mandating all are included. Look up "adverse selection." It's what caused Arizona to grant the alleged 116% increase.



Did not, does not have to be this way. We managed to go 200+ years without "crushing" debt? Perhaps our leaders could stand some insights beginning with Kennedy's "Ask not what ......."

Last Edited: 1/20/2017 10:43:00 AM by Bcat2

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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 10:39:21 AM 
SBH wrote:
Monroe did work for Countrywide Financial prior to the industry meltdown. So maybe he loves debt, much like the Developer in Chief who takes office today.


Truly brilliant reason to take my work as a contractor for Countrywide well before the meltdown as being a main policy maker for Countrywide.

Please try to add some reason to your..alleged..reasoning.


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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 11:00:21 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:


Concentrating on one item alone gives a distorted viewpoint.



This is classic. Pot meet kettle.
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   Posted: 1/20/2017 11:26:17 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:


Concentrating on one item alone gives a distorted viewpoint.



This is classic. Pot meet kettle.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 11:37:50 AM 
In the rush to Siberia, my simple point was missed. I thought it was obvious, but apparently it was not. While we periodically hear about "cuts to higher education", the reality is that higher education costs have not been cut. Instead they have grown at a faster pace than almost anything. At some point there may need to be actually cuts to the growth rate of higher education expenses. Could some of these cuts affect intercollegiate athletics? Of course.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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   Posted: 1/20/2017 11:59:59 AM 
L.C. wrote:
In the rush to Siberia, my simple point was missed. I thought it was obvious, but apparently it was not. While we periodically hear about "cuts to higher education", the reality is that higher education costs have not been cut. Instead they have grown at a faster pace than almost anything. At some point there may need to be actually cuts to the growth rate of higher education expenses. Could some of these cuts affect intercollegiate athletics? Of course.


As I am re-reading an old college text "Great Political Thinkers Plato to the Present" by William Ebenstein, 1969, bookstore price used $26.25.

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  Message Not Read  RE: The sleeping giant has awaken in Oxford again
   Posted: 1/20/2017 12:53:09 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:


Concentrating on one item alone gives a distorted viewpoint.



This is classic. Pot meet kettle.


Since I'm no longer replying to a certain poster I have to give this a +1000!
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