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Topic: RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Topic: RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

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GoCats105
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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/2/2016 1:39:39 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

finnOhio wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

LuckySparrow wrote:

+1 Bcat2.

Nothing to argue about here. Basham is a stud. We'll have to wait and see what he does beyond OHIO before determining if he's our greatest defensive player ever.

Disagree. His Bobcat credentials should be based on what he did as at OHIO not any future pro career.

I agree with this completely. I think revisionist history sometimes makes players become remembered as greater than they were when they were Bobcats. I think a perfect example is Mike Mitchell, who has built a very good NFL career. However, as a Bobcat, he was a hard-hitting, oft-injured player who seemed to always come just short of his potential.

Did Mike make the combine? Was his draft a big surprise? Was there a pro team that found him under the radar? Did Solich make some calls on his behalf?

I'd say Mitchell going on the first round was a complete surprise... Especially considering ESPN had ZERO video of him. When was last time a first round pick had just a full screen graphic when they talked about him.

And as a Steeler fan, Mitchell has caused me multiple fits of rage watching him try to cover, tackle, etc. He literally just tries to hit people as hard as he can resulting in numerous ridiculous penalties... And then he likes to run his mouth nonstop.

Paul Zeise from Pittsburgh Post Gazette said it best recently

"Safety Mike Mitchell needs to get on with his life�s work. He can still talk a big game, but playing one is way out of his reach, another victim of the undefeated father time."

Mike went in the 2nd round and the ESPN guys knew so little about him that it was a huge shock he went that high. Mike was an Al Davis pick. He had all the measurables (speed, vertical, etc.) but nobody was going to draft him that high.

OU_Country
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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/2/2016 1:40:09 PM

I think Mike Mitchell was a 2nd round pick.

EDIT- good timing GoCats!

Last Edited: 12/2/2016 1:40:40 PM by OU_Country

OUVan
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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/2/2016 3:32:33 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Paul Zeise from Pittsburgh Post Gazette said it best recently

"Safety Mike Mitchell needs to get on with his life�s work. He can still talk a big game, but playing one is way out of his reach, another victim of the undefeated father time."

Ouch. Your assessment of Mitchell is pretty spot on IMO. The Steelers got him over Washington (my team) and I was disappointed at the time because he probably had his best year when he was in Carolina. But the Skins already had a different version of Mitchell in Laron Landry and man was he frustrating to watch. Hitting a guy hard after a 25 yard gain is no reason to strut. Keep hoping he'll mature a bit.

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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/2/2016 3:41:24 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

They love their measurables out there in the Bay area. Oakland took another measurables guy with their first pick that year in Darius Heyward-Bey (also ended up with the Steelers). They drafted Mitchell way too high but he was still a better pick than Heyward-Bey. I'm an Ohio grad and used to be a Maryland season ticket holder and both picks shocked me.

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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/2/2016 5:32:20 PM

Matt Muncy was really good.

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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/3/2016 2:13:22 AM

Dion Byrum is my favorite, Basham is second.

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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/12/2016 8:14:55 PM

allen wrote:

Dion Byrum is my favorite, Basham is second.

+1 I'd have to agree with this. Byrum is in a spot almost by himself after his legendary performance against Pitt. However, he had many other superb games, but that's certainly part of the all-time Bobcat highlight reel.

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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/12/2016 9:44:35 PM

I have no idea how Byrum was not drafted. I know that if he were truly an NFL player, he would have stuck around for a little bit. Certainly as long or longer than someone like Julian Posey did. But I thought his college resume was strong enough to warrant a pick.

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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/13/2016 11:05:55 AM

Chip Cox (living in Johnstown, Ohio now) still plays for the Montreal Alouettes; eleven year vet in the Canadian league. Nice long career.

http://www.newarkadvocate.com/story/sports/local/2015/07/... /

Last Edited: 12/13/2016 11:06:55 AM by oldkatz

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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/13/2016 1:13:59 PM

oldkatz wrote:

Was a CFL Defensive Player of the Year a few years ago. Won a pair of Grey Cups. Has put together a HOF type career for CFL standards.

Via Wikipedia:

Professional career
Cox was originally signed by the Detroit Lions as an undrafted rookie free agent on April 28, 2005, and he spent the 2005 training camp and preseason with the team. However, Cox was released on August 30, and he subsequently played in the CFL for the Montreal Alouettes. On January 9, 2007, he was signed by the Washington Redskins but was cut before training camp and returned to Montreal. After switching to the linebacker position for the 2009 season, Cox led the CFL in forced fumbles and capped off the year by winning the 97th Grey Cup with the Alouettes.

In 2013 Cox had a career high, and league leading number of tackles with 114. He also won the CFL's Most Outstanding Defensive Player Award and the James P. McCaffrey Trophy. With his 114 tackles that season, he broke the Montreal Alouettes single-season record of 110 set by Tracy Gravely in the 1996 CFL season.

On November 5, 2011 against the B.C. Lions, Cox reached 400 career defensive tackles with the Alouettes, becoming the only player in club history to achieve this feat. He is the club's all-time leader in defensive tackles with 800.

In his 10th season in the CFL, Cox is still one of the top defensive players of the league. So far, in his career he has recorded 800 tackles, 25 sacks, 22 interceptions and 8 fumbles recoveries. He is also a 4-times CFL all-star and an 6-times East division all-star. He was a member of both the 97th Grey Cup and 98th Grey Cup championship team with the Montreal Alouettes.

On December 2, 2014, the Alouettes announced that they had resigned Cox to a three-year deal worth more than $200,000 annually, which general manager Jim Popp stated would make him the CFL�s highest-paid defensive player.

Last Edited: 12/13/2016 1:14:30 PM by bshot44

Kevin Finnegan
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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/13/2016 4:00:57 PM

There are a couple of discussions on who had the greatest post-OHIO career and who was the most exciting or favorite player. However, if we ask, who played at the highest level while at OHIO, is there anybody who would be above Basham?

As for favorite, though, I'd have to say it's Matt Muncy for me. Wonder what he's up to now.

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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/13/2016 4:51:22 PM

Never quite understood the Mike Mitchell haters on an OU board. Oh, we are being "objective." Guy did nothing but battle through injury at Ohio University. Played with more heart than 99% to pass through our walls. Goes on to get drafted 2nd round which obviously wasn't far off 8 years later starting for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Dude was a mainstay in the formidable Solich years. While having a very solid career 8 years in... you're on still here with the same s***. He was a stretch, all he is good for is penalties, and hard hitter that's about it. What about finishing top 5 in tackles every year he has started, the devastating blows Pitt pays him to deliver to take away the deep post. No wonder the guy never comes back... really sad.

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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/13/2016 5:21:07 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

finnOhio wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

LuckySparrow wrote:

+1 Bcat2.

Nothing to argue about here. Basham is a stud. We'll have to wait and see what he does beyond OHIO before determining if he's our greatest defensive player ever.

Disagree. His Bobcat credentials should be based on what he did as at OHIO not any future pro career.

Did Mike make the combine? Was his draft a big surprise? Was there a pro team that found him under the radar? Did Solich make some calls on his behalf?

Mitchell was NOT a first round pick.

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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/13/2016 9:20:40 PM

What, no love for Travis Carrie?

Kevin Finnegan
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RE: Is Basham our greatest defensive player ever?

Posted: 12/13/2016 9:23:51 PM

Travis was awesome. I think LC referenced it earlier, but the speech he made on Relentless in the hotel room was just fantastic. It was obvious that not only was he a great player, he was a great leader. Wish we still had that show so that we could know these players like we knew the earlier teams. I think it would probably also provide a greater compassion and understanding for the players and their mistakes when they're humanized.

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