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Topic: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

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allen
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Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 10:48:07 AM

Saban just went on a rant about people saying Alabama can lose this game and still make the Playoffs. "It's never OK to lose a game." Saban: Maybe if we throw a stink bomb out there in this game, we don't make the Playoffs.

Mediocrity will not be accepted

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 10:55:35 AM

allen wrote:

Who are these "people saying?" Like the political media's "sources."

allen "Mediocrity will not be accepted." Right, losing in a Conf Championship = "Mediocriy."

Last Edited: 11/29/2016 11:55:35 AM by Bcat2

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 11:32:59 AM

allen wrote:

I understand his message and focus. Win the next game. Leave no doubt. Etc.

But, if losing that game and still making the playoff is mediocrity, it will certainly be accepted by Nick Saban.

Last Edited: 11/29/2016 11:33:13 AM by Ohio69

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 12:10:12 PM

I think you guys are missing allen's main point and Nick Saban's point: Win and there is no question of whether you're in the CFP or not. Obviously going 12-1 without a conference championship but still making the playoff is not mediocrity. But if you "just win baby" then you leave no doubt.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 1:04:13 PM

Winning your conference should be a requirement to make the playoffs in the current playoff scheme.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 1:17:30 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Thank you

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 3:54:25 PM

Scott Woods wrote:

Winning your conference should be a requirement to make the playoffs in the current playoff scheme.

Don't try to convince anyone here in Central Ohio of this. Could be dangerous to your health.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 4:11:42 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Scott Woods wrote:

Winning your conference should be a requirement to make the playoffs in the current playoff scheme.

Don't try to convince anyone here in Central Ohio of this. Could be dangerous to your health.

I'm glad to see that people in the Athens area are finally getting the message that no MACC in 11 years is mediocre, are demanding one this year.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 4:12:54 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Scott Woods wrote:

Winning your conference should be a requirement to make the playoffs in the current playoff scheme.

Don't try to convince anyone here in Central Ohio of this. Could be dangerous to your health.

I'm glad to see that people in the Athens area are finally getting the message that no MACC in 11 years is mediocre, are demanding one this year.

Of course, we could bcat2 forget about the whole thing and just give everyone a trophy for showing up.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 4:13:47 PM

Scott Woods wrote:

Winning your conference should be a requirement to make the playoffs in the current playoff scheme.

The only problem is there are 10 FBS conferences. The 5 power conferences do not all play each other. At this point it is impossible to say that the conference champion of one conference is better than the runner up in another conference. That's why the committee does it the way they do. A conference championship is considered along with other factors. Since Clemson has shown the ability to play bad games this year, should a three loss Va Tech be in the final four? Until we have a 8 or more team playoff, the conference championship can not be the only deciding factor.

Last Edited: 11/29/2016 4:15:28 PM by 89Cat

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 4:59:48 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

allen wrote:

I understand his message and focus. Win the next game. Leave no doubt. Etc.

But, if losing that game and still making the playoff is mediocrity, it will certainly be accepted by Nick Saban.

Why is mediocrity is not accepted in the post again?.... I read it to mean that if they lose 1 game they are mediocre.

You know what.... nevermind.... I'm on board with win and leave no doubt.

At least Alabama won't come in third in their conference and still make the final 4, like TOSU may....

Last Edited: 11/29/2016 5:14:11 PM by Ohio69

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 8:38:08 PM

So we're back to this again? Uncle.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/29/2016 10:08:19 PM

89Cat wrote:

Scott Woods wrote:

Winning your conference should be a requirement to make the playoffs in the current playoff scheme.

That's not the only problem. If a conference championship is what it takes for a playoff berth, there's no motivation for strong OOC games. That means more games between P5 and smaller conferences in non-conference play -- which is not good for TV ratings and not good for bowl chances of G5 if they are playing more P5 games where they are (in most cases outside of the occasional upset) overmatched.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/30/2016 6:13:20 AM

In the context of this discussion, I don't give a flying flip about OOC schedules, TV ratings, G5 chances of a bowl game, whether the runner up of one conference is better than the winner of another conference, or any of the other reasons given. Unless, or until, there are more playoff spots than there are conferences, no "at-large" bids to the playoffs should be given. Win your conference and you have qualified, pretty simple. The committee can then use their subjective analysis to determine which of those teams are in and the seeding.

And no Slavin - this doesn't mean that the only definition of success is a conference championship.

Last Edited: 11/30/2016 6:16:29 AM by Scott Woods

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/30/2016 7:12:33 AM

89Cat wrote:

Scott Woods wrote:

Winning your conference should be a requirement to make the playoffs in the current playoff scheme.

Thought about this the other day: just make the playoffs five teams then. Give the #1 seed a bye and have the #4 and #5 teams play each other the week after conference championships. You want to prove you belong with the big boys? Keep winning.

I've read other guys around the country suggesting they do away with conference championships and just make the conference championships the first weekend of the Playoff. Sort of like a regional matchup. I'm in full favor of that.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/30/2016 10:22:38 AM

Scott Woods wrote:

Scott--I agree for the most part....EXCEPT FOR A STAFF WHICH HAS BEEN HERE 12 YEARS.

Did you read me agitating re lack of a MACC until about two years ago or so? It was only about a year after the loss to Miami after the 7-0 start that I changed my thinking. Before that no one was a bigger Solich supporter than me. But about four years of mostly mediocre football with no MACC in 11 years...

Circumstances changed so I re-thought my position, unlike the SFB here who'd give this staff 50 years or more with no MACC and still be ecstatic.

There's a point where rigidity is less than intelligent.

How many years with no MACC before it's 'thank you, here's the door'?

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/30/2016 11:49:51 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

How many years with no MACC before it's 'thank you, here's the door'?

As many as Frank Solich wants to coach.

We will be playing in our 4th MAC Championship game in 12 years. We have dominated our main rivals (9 of 10 vs Miami; 4 of 5 vs Marshall). We go bowling consistently. We average 8 wins per year over the last 8 years. I chose 8 since all of Knorrs recruits would be gone by then. But, if you don't like that we average 7 wins overall. Is the program perfect? No. Could the offense be better for example? Yes. And etc. and blah blah.

You want to fire him due to no MACC. I don't. I doubt you'd find many ADs or Presidents who fire a mid-major coach with the above results.

Neither of us are changing our minds. Must it be brought up in every thread?

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Last Edited: 11/30/2016 11:50:47 AM by Ohio69

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/30/2016 12:13:45 PM

My issue with a conference championship litmus test is: What incentive is there to scheduling a difficult non-conference slate if this is the rule? Why would Ohio State ever schedule another game at Oklahoma again if beating them meant so little towards the national title hunt? I suppose there's a thought that those tough games get a team ready for conference play, but SEC teams in the mid-2000s showed that you can play a soft non-conference slate and still be national title caliber.

So we're left with conference games being the only thing that matter. That's good if you're a traditionalist who loved the way college football operated in the 1960s and 1970s, where a Rose or Fiesta Bowl bid is the ultimate prize.

But when we're trying to find the best college football teams to play in a four-team playoff, limiting the number of games that actually matter means more fluky teams, like Penn State or Wisconsin, getting into the Final Four. Weird stuff happens in conference games. Iowa can bite Michigan. Alabama can randomly lose to Ole Miss two years in a row. I like that the playoff allows for these kooky things to happen and still get the best four teams. A conference championship litmust test makes this the BCS all over again where you have to run the table to get in...and that means scheduling cupcakes early in the season to make sure you don't lose a game.

Nothing against those two teams, but I wouldn't rule out anybody in the top 40 of college football beating either the Badgers or Nittany Lions.

I don't think anyone outside of the top five could beat Alabama in a championship game setting. Their win over USC kind of backs that up. And Ohio State's win over Oklahoma tells me they're good enough to win a national title, even as putridly as the Buckeyes' offense is playing right now.

Plus, how lame would the playoff be if we have to watch Penn State take on Alabama? Avert your gaze from the carnage...

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/30/2016 12:19:40 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

89Cat wrote:

Scott Woods wrote:

Winning your conference should be a requirement to make the playoffs in the current playoff scheme.

I like that but add one more game that weekend. Take the single best non division winner (Sorry Michigan, you shouldn't have finished 3rd in your division) or independant vs the G5 winner. Right now that would be tO$U vs WMU. Then take 5 conf championship game winners plus winner of at-large/G5 and seed accordingly with the stipulation the at large cannot have a first round bye.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/30/2016 1:12:22 PM

Brian Smith wrote:

1. I don't care if Ohio State ever schedules another game at Oklahoma.
2. Why do you need to schedule cupcakes early in the season if you can lose all OOC and still get in playoffs? Schedule hard without the worry that a loss or two disqualifies you.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/30/2016 2:00:49 PM

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Brian Smith wrote:

1. You do not enjoy watching quality football. Okay. Noted. Not sure that incurious nature should then rule how the best college football team in America is found. Can we replace the teams so that you don't reflexively tell me you don't like it? Pick any marquee match-up. We're better for it having been played as a consumer, right?

2. Possible. But why would Bob Stoops risk his quarterback getting the snot knocked out of him against the Ohio State defense if he could play Nicholls instead? The stadium still gets filled up. The boosters are happy with the marshmallowy 10 or 11-win season. He saves his bullets for the Big 12 schedule, which is the only thing that matters. He feasts on the horrid Big 12 and voila, he's in the title game.

It's not like basketball where the relative lack of risk makes compelling match-ups more likely early in the season. I think the injury risk and the job instability of football coaches makes it more likely they'll pad their records, keep themselves physically intact for the games that matter.

Or maybe you're right and taking the stakes away encourages coaches to take more chances in scheduling.I'd be surprised if gigantic programs decide to play each other with nothing on the line just for the heck of it. Stunned. Saban might do it just to stick it in other program's faces in press conferences. Maybe it would work if they played the early games in Hawaii, like college basketball? Maybe.

But my argument is that making fewer games matter is not going to make college football more compelling. It means people like me don't watch the first three weeks of the season at 8 p.m. on Saturday night. Which means college football loses a crap-ton of revenue.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/30/2016 3:57:44 PM

Brian, you are making way too much sense. I look at the games like going to the theater. There is a good bit of drama and if you're lucky, sometimes there is a great or surprising ending. Or both. When my team loses I say "go get 'em next time." When they win I say "nice job". I neither wail or gnash my teeth.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 11/30/2016 6:14:16 PM

giacomo wrote:

Sounds very sane to me.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 12/1/2016 7:22:17 AM

Brian Smith wrote:

I've thought about this for a while too. I love how the Committee really only takes your strength of schedule into account if you have a loss or two. Had Washington gone 13-0 this year, there's no freaking way the Committee leaves them out even with a non-conference schedule of Portland State, Idaho and Rutgers. There's no way.

If you go undefeated in a Power 5 conference, that's the only argument you need. Strength of schedule "should" matter in the long run, but it really doesn't if you go undefeated. You're basically just daring them to leave you out if you run the table.

Besides, what are the odds these days that are going to be more than four undefeated teams? That doesn't happen any more.

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RE: Nick Saban press conference was a thing of beauty

Posted: 12/1/2016 7:43:36 AM

Brian Smith wrote:

Scott Woods wrote:

Brian Smith wrote:

I do like quality football. There's quality football every weekend, it just may not be the "sexy" match-up they are promoting. You can't replace the teams in your example and expect I'd give you a different answer.

My argument about what a team needs to do to qualify the playoffs, in the current setup, has nothing to do with me as a consumer or any revenue lost or whether the brand of the game is better or whether boosters are happy, etc.

How do you make it less about an "eye-test" and more about a real thing you can objectively measure and attain? Winning you conference seems like a pretty simple thing to point to and that everyone knows up front.

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