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Topic: RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Topic: RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/28/2016 10:16:43 PM

PhiTau74 wrote:

Tennessee wasn't that good, they lost to South Carolina and South Carolina just lost to Clemson 56-7.

And Clemson (who is very good) lost to Pitt, and Pitt lost to Va tech, and Va Tech lost to Syracuse, and Syracuse lost to Wake Forest, and Wake lost to Army, and Army lost to Buffalo, and we beat the Buffs. So if we can stay with Clemson, we should be good to go Friday.

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 7:42:00 AM

Did you know: Western Michigan is the first team in MAC history to win all its league games by 14+ points? #dominance #gROWh16her
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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 8:50:11 AM

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 11:01:50 AM

Bobcat110 wrote:

C Money wrote:

If we pull this off, would it be a bigger upset than the NCAA tourney win over Georgetown?

Beating WMU won't get much more than some highlights on ESPN before they go on to discussing the Big Ten Championship and national championship. I just don't think the sports world would feel the shock of Ohio beating WMU as it did when we beat Georgetown.

Nationally, the story-lines would be 1. Navy now has a clear path to Cotton Bowl on New Year's Day and 2. The MAC is overrated and weak.

Last Edited: 11/29/2016 12:55:14 PM by KC Bobcat

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 12:12:22 PM

The Situation wrote:

I haven't seen WMU play a game this season.

You're missing out.

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 12:16:06 PM

KC Bobcat wrote:

Bobcat110 wrote:

C Money wrote:

If we pull this off, would it be a bigger upset than the NCAA tourney win over Georgetown?

Nationally, the story-lines would be 1. Navy will now be playing in Cotton Bowl on New Year's Day and 2. The MAC is overrated and weak.

Navy playing in the Cotton Bowl is not guaranteed if they can't beat both Temple and Army. Neither of those are foregone conclusions.

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 1:11:57 PM

I feel like this is a game where the team is going to have to throw everything but the kitchen sink at WMU. I think that Ohio will do whatever it takes to bring that trophy back to Athens.

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 1:58:23 PM

AudioCat'13 wrote:

I feel like this is a game where the team is going to have to throw everything but the kitchen sink at WMU. I think that Ohio will do whatever it takes to bring that trophy back to Athens.

Unfortunately, Ohio is down to their 4th string kitchen sink thrower and WMU will be unfazed by Albin's insistence to run kitchen sink up the middle repeatedly.

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 2:12:09 PM

Jerseys are ready for #MACtion. #BleedGreen pic.twitter.com/IvLXQeJ4aO
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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 3:29:10 PM

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 3:42:44 PM

bobcat695 wrote:

AudioCat'13 wrote:

I feel like this is a game where the team is going to have to throw everything but the kitchen sink at WMU. I think that Ohio will do whatever it takes to bring that trophy back to Athens.

Unfortunately, Ohio is down to their 4th string kitchen sink thrower and WMU will be unfazed by Albin's insistence to run kitchen sink up the middle repeatedly.

I knew that was you when I read this before I looked at the name. LOL

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 3:46:01 PM

cc-cat wrote:

PhiTau74 wrote:

Tennessee wasn't that good, they lost to South Carolina and South Carolina just lost to Clemson 56-7.

I'm sure everyone has seen this but along those same lines we can beat The team up 33.

Ohio beat Toldeo, Toledo Beat Central, Central beat Oklahoma State,OK State beat Pitt, Pitt beat Penn State, PSU beat OSU.

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 7:35:02 PM

How many points can the Bobcat offense be expected to produce with two banged up running backs and considering the last two games:

Score 20 against the 7th ranked MAC scoring defense CMU

Score 9 against the 9th ranked MAC scoring defense Akron

WMU #2 ranked MAC scoring Defense.

I'm sorry, I answered my own question. I now see the pattern, the pattern is not OHIO seeing the scoring decreasing and getting shut out but OHIO scores more the better the defense is ranked vs conference teams.

Go OHIO; beat the Broncos!

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 10:17:05 PM

MonroeClassmate wrote:

Just basic math and fax.

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 10:35:40 PM

Rushing Offense is WMU's biggest offensive weapon (#13).

According to the NCAA website, their opponent's rushing defense ranking:

Northwestern #34 (1 point win)
Illinois #104
Ga. Southern #63
Central Michigan #56
NIU #89
Akron #106
Eastern Michigan #58
Ball State #45
Kent State #77
Buffalo #124
Toledo #60
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OHIO #5

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Certainly there are many other factors at play. But I can atleast take comfort in their biggest strength being OUr biggest rebuttal.

Last Edited: 11/29/2016 10:39:42 PM by The Situation

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 10:59:10 PM

Seriously? Have you seen their passing game...well, at least last week vs. WMU...their qb and receiver are good.

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/29/2016 11:33:46 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Seriously? Have you seen their passing game...well, at least last week vs. WMU...their qb and receiver are good.

They just have statistically the best WR in FBS history... I'm sure they won't try to take advantage of OUr secondary that is starting walk-ons

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/30/2016 5:30:26 AM

bshot44 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Seriously? Have you seen their passing game...well, at least last week vs. WMU...their qb and receiver are good.

They just have statistically the best WR in FBS history... I'm sure they won't try to take advantage of OUr secondary that is starting walk-ons

Well if you watch the Frank Solich press conference, their running game is the point of emphasis. And ultimately that allows them to choose when to throw (which they've done well).

Also, statistically their passing offense is #44, behind CMU, #28, and behind their rushing offense (#13).

I was wrong to say "weapon" in the post above. I should've said strength.

Last Edited: 11/30/2016 5:48:34 AM by The Situation

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/30/2016 7:36:24 AM

I saw somewhere that we are sending 7-8 full busses for Friday's game.

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/30/2016 10:10:12 AM

The four teams in the MAC that have given up the least yards/carry rushing this year are:

Ohio 3.0
Miami 3.9
Kent St 4.2
EMU 4.3

WMU hasn't yet played Ohio and didn't play Miami this year. They beat Kent State by 16, and beat EMU by 14. The only other MAC team to lose to WMU by less than 20 was NIU, who lost by 15.

My opinion is that WMU is the best MAC team since the Miami team of 2003, I think it was. There is no chance of beating them unless you have a great run defense, but if you do, you can stay in the game. Ohio has a great run defense, and that means that of all the MAC teams, they probably have the best chance of making it a game.

Another stat, though, is that WMU has scored at least 37 against all MAC competition. Meanwhile Ohio has scored over 37 only once, that being against Texas State.

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/30/2016 10:27:29 AM

In conference-only games, Ohio's only giving up 2.6 yards per carry, by far the best mark in the MAC.

I know there's a feeling that pass defense is a weakness, but Ohio is fifth in yards per pass play and sixth in pass efficiency defense, so yes, it's much easier to pass against Ohio, but the Bobcats are average by MAC standards.

Ohio tied Miami for best yards per play defense average (4.9) and had the top scoring defense (16.8). The Bobcats have a shot at slowing down the Broncos, even though they are by far the best offensive team in the MAC.

The problem is Western Michigan's defense is good and Ohio's offense is below average. Ohio's defense can keep it in the game if the offense can produce a little bit.

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/30/2016 10:54:43 AM

Phil Steele's evaluation from ESPN:http://www.espn.com/chalk/insider/story/_/id/18168530/col...

Frank Solich is 7-1 ATS as an underdog and has one of the Mid-American Conference's best defenses, led by a super defensive front seven. Surprisingly, the defensive numbers are close, with Western Michigan holding foes to 39 yards per game below their season average and Ohio holding opponents to 33 below. Offensively, this isn't close, as Western Michigan averages 105 yards per game more than their conference opponents allow and Ohio's offense averages 57 yards per game fewer than their opponents normally allow. The special teams are even. The Bobcats have lost four games, and four of their eight wins have been by six points or fewer. The Broncos have won all but one game by at least 14 points, and their average win in Mid-American Conference play is by a score of 45-18. Style points are still needed for Western Michigan, as they're trying to land a Cotton Bowl berth.

ATS pick: Western Michigan
Score: Western Michigan 38, Ohio 13

Mark Schlabach's evaluation from ESPN: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18164983/...

What's at stake for Western Michigan: With a victory over the Bobcats, the Broncos can finish 13-0 and probably punch their ticket to the Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic. By finishing undefeated, the Broncos would likely be the highest-ranked champions from a Group of 5 conference, ensuring them a trip to a New Year's Six bowl game. Western Michigan is seeking its first MAC title since 1988.

What's at stake for Ohio: The Bobcats would love to spoil Western Michigan's undefeated season. Ohio, which has won four its past five games, is seeking its first MAC title since 1968. The Bobcats would also greatly enhance their chances of playing in the Dollar General Bowl in Mobile, Alabama, with an upset win.

Who to watch for Western Michigan: Zach Terrell ranks seventh among FBS quarterbacks with an 84.5 Total QBR, completing 228 of 318 passes for 3,086 yards with 30 touchdowns and only one interception. He's on pace to break the FBS single-season record for lowest interception rate among quarterbacks with at least 350 pass attempts, set by Boise State's Kellen Moore (three interceptions in 431 attempts) in 2009.

Who to watch for Ohio: Kicker Louie Zervos has kicked 25 field goals this season, which tied the NCAA record for most in a season by a freshman. He ranks third among FBS kickers with 2.08 field goals per game and 31st in scoring with 106 points.

Matchup to watch: Western Michigan OT Chukwuma Okorafor vs. Ohio DE Tarell Basham

Okorafor, a 6-foot-6, 333-pound junior, didn't start playing football until after his family moved to the U.S. from the Republic of Botswana in 2010. He'll have his hands full blocking Basham, who set an Ohio record with 29 career sacks and tied a school record with 11 sacks this season.

Prediction: Western Michigan 34, Ohio 21

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/30/2016 11:16:37 AM

AudioCat'13 wrote:

I feel like this is a game where the team is going to have to throw everything but the kitchen sink at WMU. I think that Ohio will do whatever it takes to bring that trophy back to Athens.

That's the only chance. Go for broke. Last time they played for the championship they dominated in the 1st half, then decided to play the 2nd half not to lose instead of trying to win, which is why they lost.

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/30/2016 11:26:15 AM

Mark Schlabach wrote:

... The Bobcats would also greatly enhance their chances of playing in the Dollar General Bowl in Mobile, Alabama, with an upset win....

...and Ohio would want to enhance their chances of playing in the Dollar General Bowl because???

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RE: Official MAC Championship Game Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 11/30/2016 11:43:43 AM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

The player to watch for Ohio is the kicker. What does that tell you how people view us nationally?

Then again, Schlabach has probably never even watched an Ohio game.

Last Edited: 11/30/2016 11:45:47 AM by GoCats105

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