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I would not change QB until the new play caller has offered his opinion. Panda Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/18/2016 10:37:21 AM  Panda wrote: Lot of talk about QB's wrong plays etc. How about putting a new play caller in the Coaches Press Box. Give the kids a change maybe they will respond. I would not change QB until the new play caller has offered his opinion. Well, we seem to love the two headed QB, so who is the starter, the leader? I like Windham, but I'm obviously of the opinion that young Mr. Maxwell offers more potential through the air. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,503 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/19/2016 6:53:34 AM  OU_Country wrote: Panda wrote: Lot of talk about QB's wrong plays etc. How about putting a new play caller in the Coaches Press Box. Give the kids a change maybe they will respond. I would not change QB until the new play caller has offered his opinion. Well, we seem to love the two headed QB, so who is the starter, the leader? I like Windham, but I'm obviously of the opinion that young Mr. Maxwell offers more potential through the air. I want to see how Maxwell does when teams have a chance to "game plan" for him. Last week he did well,but that was coming off the bench. That gave him 2 advantages. First, EMU probably didn't know much about him. Second, he has a different "style' then Windham,who their game plan was based on. Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/20/2016 10:33:31 PM  For the first 5 years of Albin the excuse could have been talent. Then after losing the New Orleans Bowl to Troy the coaching staff was invited by Troy to learn about their no huddle offense to increase production. Its another 5+ years since that point in time. Instead of letting Albin or Burrow go Frank has them try to copy a superior scheme used somewhere else. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,304 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 9:13:50 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: For the first 5 years of Albin the excuse could have been talent. Then after losing the New Orleans Bowl to Troy the coaching staff was invited by Troy to learn about their no huddle offense to increase production. Its another 5+ years since that point in time. Instead of letting Albin or Burrow go Frank has them try to copy a superior scheme used somewhere else. That was deemed brilliant when Tyler Tettleton was throwing to Lavon Brazil and Donte Foster. Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 10:17:24 AM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: For the first 5 years of Albin the excuse could have been talent. Then after losing the New Orleans Bowl to Troy the coaching staff was invited by Troy to learn about their no huddle offense to increase production. Its another 5+ years since that point in time. Instead of letting Albin or Burrow go Frank has them try to copy a superior scheme used somewhere else. That was deemed brilliant when Tyler Tettleton was throwing to Lavon Brazil and Donte Foster. Because it was different. Now there's 5 years of film on the scheme, and other teams can gameplan for it. We also abandoned the hurry-up aspect of it for some reason, which I still haven't figured out. The whole point of not huddling is that it allows the offense to dictate tempo and leverage personnel advantages. If you don't go hurry up, those advantages disappear, and if the other team knows your signals/scheme, the offense doesn't work. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 10:25:38 AM  So, you're saying that we should use the hurry-up, uptempo at least occasionally? How do you feel about true two-back sets, qb directly under center, overload blitzes, men in motion, etc? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 11:25:30 AM  C Money wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: For the first 5 years of Albin the excuse could have been talent. Then after losing the New Orleans Bowl to Troy the coaching staff was invited by Troy to learn about their no huddle offense to increase production. Its another 5+ years since that point in time. Instead of letting Albin or Burrow go Frank has them try to copy a superior scheme used somewhere else. That was deemed brilliant when Tyler Tettleton was throwing to Lavon Brazil and Donte Foster. Because it was different. Now there's 5 years of film on the scheme, and other teams can gameplan for it. We also abandoned the hurry-up aspect of it for some reason, which I still haven't figured out. The whole point of not huddling is that it allows the offense to dictate tempo and leverage personnel advantages. If you don't go hurry up, those advantages disappear, and if the other team knows your signals/scheme, the offense doesn't work. Personnel advantages? How is the hurry up a benefit on personnel advantages? Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 11:59:41 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: C Money wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: For the first 5 years of Albin the excuse could have been talent. Then after losing the New Orleans Bowl to Troy the coaching staff was invited by Troy to learn about their no huddle offense to increase production. Its another 5+ years since that point in time. Instead of letting Albin or Burrow go Frank has them try to copy a superior scheme used somewhere else. That was deemed brilliant when Tyler Tettleton was throwing to Lavon Brazil and Donte Foster. Because it was different. Now there's 5 years of film on the scheme, and other teams can gameplan for it. We also abandoned the hurry-up aspect of it for some reason, which I still haven't figured out. The whole point of not huddling is that it allows the offense to dictate tempo and leverage personnel advantages. If you don't go hurry up, those advantages disappear, and if the other team knows your signals/scheme, the offense doesn't work. Personnel advantages? How is the hurry up a benefit on personnel advantages? The offense catches the defense in a mismatch (tall receiver on short defender, 5 DBs in versus a run heavy set, etc.). The offense goes hurry up to limit the defenses ability to adjust and/or substitute. If the defense is constantly in reaction mode, they don't have time to regroup and think. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 12:10:31 PM  C Money wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: C Money wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: For the first 5 years of Albin the excuse could have been talent. Then after losing the New Orleans Bowl to Troy the coaching staff was invited by Troy to learn about their no huddle offense to increase production. Its another 5+ years since that point in time. Instead of letting Albin or Burrow go Frank has them try to copy a superior scheme used somewhere else. That was deemed brilliant when Tyler Tettleton was throwing to Lavon Brazil and Donte Foster. Because it was different. Now there's 5 years of film on the scheme, and other teams can gameplan for it. We also abandoned the hurry-up aspect of it for some reason, which I still haven't figured out. The whole point of not huddling is that it allows the offense to dictate tempo and leverage personnel advantages. If you don't go hurry up, those advantages disappear, and if the other team knows your signals/scheme, the offense doesn't work. Personnel advantages? How is the hurry up a benefit on personnel advantages? The offense catches the defense in a mismatch (tall receiver on short defender, 5 DBs in versus a run heavy set, etc.). The offense goes hurry up to limit the defenses ability to adjust and/or substitute. If the defense is constantly in reaction mode, they don't have time to regroup and think. That sounds great, but every time the offense subs the defense has the right to change personnel packages as well. So there is no advantaged gained in match-ups unless there is just a straight up match-up issue. Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 1:07:08 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: C Money wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: Personnel advantages? How is the hurry up a benefit on personnel advantages? The offense catches the defense in a mismatch (tall receiver on short defender, 5 DBs in versus a run heavy set, etc.). The offense goes hurry up to limit the defenses ability to adjust and/or substitute. If the defense is constantly in reaction mode, they don't have time to regroup and think. That sounds great, but every time the offense subs the defense has the right to change personnel packages as well. So there is no advantaged gained in match-ups unless there is just a straight up match-up issue. Yes. Exactly. The offense doesn't want to substitute because it has the mismatch it wants. There's no point in standing around and letting the defense adjust. Get on the ball and go. Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 1:10:54 PM  C Money wrote: Yes. Exactly. The offense doesn't want to substitute because it has the mismatch it wants. There's no point in standing around and letting the defense adjust. Get on the ball and go. I would think at least as big an advantage is fatigue. Since the defensive backs are reading/reacting, they could tire faster. The hurry-up reduces their ability to sub out or catch their wind. Back to Top Kinggeorge4 General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Guysville, OH Post Count: 964 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 1:25:44 PM  If your offense stalls, you wear out your own defense. I like hurry up but there are downsides. GO BOBCATS GEORGE Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 2:17:05 PM  C Money wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: C Money wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: Personnel advantages? How is the hurry up a benefit on personnel advantages? The offense catches the defense in a mismatch (tall receiver on short defender, 5 DBs in versus a run heavy set, etc.). The offense goes hurry up to limit the defenses ability to adjust and/or substitute. If the defense is constantly in reaction mode, they don't have time to regroup and think. That sounds great, but every time the offense subs the defense has the right to change personnel packages as well. So there is no advantaged gained in match-ups unless there is just a straight up match-up issue. Yes. Exactly. The offense doesn't want to substitute because it has the mismatch it wants. There's no point in standing around and letting the defense adjust. Get on the ball and go. You obviously do not know how the whole personnel package thing works for a defense. They adjust to the offense that is coming onto the field, 00, 01, 02, 10, 11, 12, 13, 20, 21, 22, 23. And if the GA or assistant coach can not call the right grouping coming onto the field then they will be looking for work come Monday. If the offense wants to start in a 00, the defense will begin in the appropriate package. When the offense subs into a 21, then the defense will then switch as well. In the earliest days of hurry ups that was the case, not not anymore. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,747 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 3:00:30 PM  [/QUOTE] And if the GA or assistant coach can not call the right grouping coming onto the field then they will be looking for work come Monday. [/QUOTE] Except at Ohio, where mediocre assistants have tenure, apparently. Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 3:28:03 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: C Money wrote: Yes. Exactly. The offense doesn't want to substitute because it has the mismatch it wants. There's no point in standing around and letting the defense adjust. Get on the ball and go. You obviously do not know how the whole personnel package thing works for a defense. They adjust to the offense that is coming onto the field, 00, 01, 02, 10, 11, 12, 13, 20, 21, 22, 23. And if the GA or assistant coach can not call the right grouping coming onto the field then they will be looking for work come Monday. If the offense wants to start in a 00, the defense will begin in the appropriate package. When the offense subs into a 21, then the defense will then switch as well. In the earliest days of hurry ups that was the case, not not anymore. Yes, THE DEFENSE IS FORCED TO SUBSTITUTE IN REACTION TO THE OFFENSE. AND THE HURRY UP PREVENTS THE DEFENSE FROM REACTING VIA SUBSTITUTION. If the defensive coaches are 100% right in every single defensive personnel grouping, then it's fine. But they aren't going to be right 100% of the time, and the hurry up punishes them for their mistakes. Last Edited: 10/21/2016 3:29:04 PM by C Money Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 3:30:52 PM  C Money wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: C Money wrote: Yes. Exactly. The offense doesn't want to substitute because it has the mismatch it wants. There's no point in standing around and letting the defense adjust. Get on the ball and go. You obviously do not know how the whole personnel package thing works for a defense. They adjust to the offense that is coming onto the field, 00, 01, 02, 10, 11, 12, 13, 20, 21, 22, 23. And if the GA or assistant coach can not call the right grouping coming onto the field then they will be looking for work come Monday. If the offense wants to start in a 00, the defense will begin in the appropriate package. When the offense subs into a 21, then the defense will then switch as well. In the earliest days of hurry ups that was the case, not not anymore. Yes, THE DEFENSE IS FORCED TO SUBSTITUTE IN REACTION TO THE OFFENSE. AND THE HURRY UP PREVENTS THE DEFENSE FROM REACTING VIA SUBSTITUTION. If the defensive coaches are 100% right in every single defensive personnel grouping, then it's fine. But they aren't going to be right 100% of the time, and the hurry up punishes them for their mistakes. NO it does NOT. By rule when the offense subs, the referee signals and the Center Judge stands over the football preventing a snap by the offense. The defense will always have time to adjust! And if the defense hasn't game planned formations and personnel then they don't deserve to win anyway. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 3:33:02 PM  When the offense substitutes by rule play is stopped until the defense has a chance to not only react but put players in place. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 3:40:52 PM  NCAA rule 3-5-2-e Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 3:48:13 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: When the offense substitutes by rule play is stopped until the defense has a chance to not only react but put players in place. With hurry up: 1. Offense steps onto the field. 2. Defense sees what offense steps onto the field. 3. Defense sends player package onto field. 4. Oops, that wasn't the best player package after all. 5. Offense realizes this, doesn't substitute, goes hurry up, and attacks the mismatch. 6. Defense doesn't have time to substitute and can't adjust. Without hurry up: 1. Offense steps onto the field. 2. Defense sees what offense steps onto the field. 3. Defense sends player package onto field. 4. Oops, that wasn't the best player package after all. 5. Offense realizes this, but ho hum twiddly dee let's take 20 of the 25 seconds we have to snap the ball and just stare at coaches waiving their arms on the sidelines. 6. Defense has time to substitute and is only punished for that one play. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 4:41:38 PM  We don't have to use the hurry up all the time or even very often. To not use it all is truly ignorant. It's like a pitcher not changing speeds or throwing breaking balls. It means that our offense never makes a defense have to react to anything new....two back sets, qb under center, etc. You could see in the 2nd half last week how EMU used motion and different looks...to outcoach and beat us. It's a great point mad in others'postshere...which I've made many times in my hundreds of thousands of posts....that if you've seen a couple games worth of film on us on offense or defense within the last five years, then you can be fully prepared for what we offer. Because we do very, very little that is new or imaginative. And I'm not talking crazy triple reverses. I'm just talking about stuff that's well within standard football--like blitz packages and blitzing and hurry up offense and two back sets and true screen passes (EMU middle screens..or was that BG?) and qb direct under center, espec in short yardage, etc, etc, etc. Sorry, but the coaching has been stale for years. As so many of you now seem to finally be seeing. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 4:47:45 PM  We never take it to teams. We never make them react to us. It's got to be dis-spiriting to our players to know that we're good enough to compete in the MAC, generally, from a physical ability standpoint. But when physical play alone is not getting it done, we're toast. We never have a strategy advantage. We about never react and swing a game our way by dint of strategy, new stuff that the opposition has never seen. It's sad that BUTM is actually a cliche...because it's like us to do the same thing over and over and over again even if it's not working. Hey, let's run some 170 lb running back up the middle at the goal line time after time after time even if it's not working! This year's BUTM is Windham qb runs/draws. Okay, that's been mostly effective against weak teams up to the EMU game. Teams are now going to account for that, stop that. Will we react to that? Will we have adjustments? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,706 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 7:39:41 PM  Robert Fox wrote: C Money wrote: Yes. Exactly. The offense doesn't want to substitute because it has the mismatch it wants. There's no point in standing around and letting the defense adjust. Get on the ball and go. I would think at least as big an advantage is fatigue. Since the defensive backs are reading/reacting, they could tire faster. The hurry-up reduces their ability to sub out or catch their wind. Agree, Rob. And I've long believed that stressed defenses are more susceptible than offenses to psychological fatigue that can beget or worsen physical fatigue. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,000 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/21/2016 9:54:03 PM  I have a strong sense that OHIO's offense is light years behind in on field capabilities to adjust to the defense. New England Patriots, Tom Brady and receivers. Receivers have four reads that they must employ and Brady knows exactly what they are to do based on what he sees that each of them should be seeing while calling the blocking of the line. The SI article of Charlie Weiss offense called out outstanding hands and speed receivers who could not cut it with the Patriots because they could not adapt to the intricacy of their individual responsibilities within the sophisticated offense. (Denver beat it by putting too much pressure on the QB for secondary reads) Last season article of BG's Matt Johnson in USA Today interview revolved around he and Coach Babers along with the receivers sounded a bit like the Patriot's and the quote that against OHIO, Johnson changed the blocking assignments of the line three times on one play as OHIO showed different feints and Johnson, well protected threw for an easy score. Babers asked him why he made the changes (therefore, no coach was telling him to change things) I watched only the first series or two of EMU game on the computer. EMU had three defenders shown on the screenview jumping to go into a blitz thinking the snap was coming. OHIO QB looks over to the sideline and then you see the potential blitzers jamming to go again, and it seemed like a second time the QB delayed the snap and again the EMU defenders were appearing to blitz. Then the ball was snapped and they blitzed and totally disrupted the play. You mean to tell me that there wasn't the time, the thought, the understanding of what the best play would be when the defense was showing something and no apparent adjustment was made? How often does/did Tom Brady, Matt Johnson or JT Barrett look to the sideline for guidance or do they spend their time and reasoning before the snap to see for themselves what will give the play the highest probability for success? Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: time for change    Posted: 10/22/2016 12:22:26 AM  Classmate--Very well stated...specific, clear, pointed analysis. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! 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