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ts1227
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  Message Not Read  RE: Something I've noticed during the first four home games this year
   Posted: 10/16/2016 10:31:32 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
The MAC had a rule that prevents the student section from sitting behind the opposing team. A few incidents at some point in the past I guess.


For a while the visiting fans got sections 12-14 to prevent that, but it split the O Zone in half.
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   Posted: 10/16/2016 10:59:06 PM 
ts1227 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
You know what would be a hit in Peden if they could put in a cheaper chairback section in Peden that sells beer. Take out the hill and put in real seats. Price them in the 35-45 dollar range with it in the endzone and no bobcat club membership required. To attract fans who want to go to have more of that professional sporting event experience and have a few while watching the game experience.


It's a double edged sword... I get Athletics not wanting to create competition with itself, but I also worry that over time you're going to see people paying for seat access tail off, and premium seating will be more desirable on a game by game basis as you speak. Regardless of how the team does, the younger generation appears to be much less likely to join membership sort of things. My best example is looking at social clubs, how many of our Boomer and Gen X members joined an Italian Club or Moose Lodge as soon as they could because their parents did? NO ONE does now and most of them are quite screwed in the near future. I could easily see this attitude trickling down to things like mid-major athletics (obviously the P5 are fine), where the younger generation that usually shows up later in their life to contribute to the OBC never appears, but would be interested in game by game premium options.


It gives a game by game option for those who don't want to join the OBC but want to sit in a premium seat. OBC is required for any level of premium seating or beer access. What I propose is a two level endzone section to replace victory hill, with the lower section regular seats to handle student overflow but the upper level 5k-6k chairbacks with their own quartered concession area where beer is sold so it can stay controlled from the student section. That would draw younger alums in sitting above some of the student crowd in chairbacks and with beer who don't care that much about the best seats in the house but just want to have fun. Makes more sense than upgrading the student section because students aren't going to buy concessions anyways.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Something I've noticed during the first four home games this year
   Posted: 10/16/2016 11:11:59 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
ts1227 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
You know what would be a hit in Peden if they could put in a cheaper chairback section in Peden that sells beer. Take out the hill and put in real seats. Price them in the 35-45 dollar range with it in the endzone and no bobcat club membership required. To attract fans who want to go to have more of that professional sporting event experience and have a few while watching the game experience.


It's a double edged sword... I get Athletics not wanting to create competition with itself, but I also worry that over time you're going to see people paying for seat access tail off, and premium seating will be more desirable on a game by game basis as you speak. Regardless of how the team does, the younger generation appears to be much less likely to join membership sort of things. My best example is looking at social clubs, how many of our Boomer and Gen X members joined an Italian Club or Moose Lodge as soon as they could because their parents did? NO ONE does now and most of them are quite screwed in the near future. I could easily see this attitude trickling down to things like mid-major athletics (obviously the P5 are fine), where the younger generation that usually shows up later in their life to contribute to the OBC never appears, but would be interested in game by game premium options.


It gives a game by game option for those who don't want to join the OBC but want to sit in a premium seat. OBC is required for any level of premium seating or beer access. What I propose is a two level endzone section to replace victory hill, with the lower section regular seats to handle student overflow but the upper level 5k-6k chairbacks with their own quartered concession area where beer is sold so it can stay controlled from the student section. That would draw younger alums in sitting above some of the student crowd in chairbacks and with beer who don't care that much about the best seats in the house but just want to have fun. Makes more sense than upgrading the student section because students aren't going to buy concessions anyways.




Now we are talking, improve the fan experience and expand. This would get us at 31-32k. Would be huge!!!!
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   Posted: 10/17/2016 7:18:26 AM 
Time to expand Peden to 40,000, right Billy?
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   Posted: 10/17/2016 8:34:27 AM 
If you want a more raucous crowd, bigger crowds, etc..., the solution is not that complicated. Put a better product on the field. It's hard to get pumped up for mediocrity. I'm fairly certain that, if you took the time to look this up, you'd find a direct correlation between winning and attendance. Let's face the facts here. As much as we want to think the culture around Ohio football has changed, and maybe it has a little, I think most of the logical fan base still does not expect big things from this program. It's not about national relevancy, forget that. How about MAC relevancy? If this team had a realistic shot to go to Detroit and win year in and year out, I think you'd see a difference in attendance and atmosphere. It's true, as bad as the East is this year, we may make it to Detroit. And I would bet that no realistic fan would give us a snowball's chance in he** to beat Western (or Toledo). I make it to about every football game at home, and I can tell you my honest feeling about Ohio football: I refuse to get too invested in the program. I have been coming to games since the late 90's when I was attending Ohio, and I don't think much has changed. We win a few more games, but we lose so many head-scratching games in so many disappointing ways, it's impossible for me to get optimistic about this program. Games like homecoming a few years back to Central Michigan when all we had to do was field a punt. At Miami a few years ago with Tettleton, a game we had no business losing. Losing at home to Texas State, whose other win this year is over Incarnate Word. Incarnate. Word. I see talent in areas on the field right now, but at the end of the day, it's still Ohio football. Stale mediocrity. Hoping for a crappy bowl game as the 4th or 5th best team in the MAC that we will most likely lose on national TV.

At least it's almost basketball season.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Something I've noticed during the first four home games this year
   Posted: 10/17/2016 8:46:02 AM 
Peden does not need more seats or more beer. They aren't going to come just because you build it. See the Convo, which is always 40%-50% empty, and is a great building. The demographics just are not there. And, the conference affiliation is just not there. (And there's a good chance support for athletics from the administration won't be there soon either.)

It definitely could use a way better video board/scoreboard. Ours is hilariously bad.




Last Edited: 10/17/2016 8:46:40 AM by Ohio69

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   Posted: 10/17/2016 10:00:05 AM 
If you can't be great, be interesting.

I've always been in favor of MAC football becoming a Barnum & Bailey-type venture. Have the product look more like the Big 12 — 70 passes per team. Bad defense. I'm okay if the MAC is not terribly competitive on the national stage but becomes its own regional oddity of insane scores and wild finishes.

The whole #MACtion thing took off because Toledo and NIU played in the middle of the week on national television, scored a gazillion points and had wild endings, not because it was upper-echelon football. Use what you've got and scrap the stuff that's derivative of what the big boys do.

Find something that Ohio and MAC football can be that no one else in the country offers.

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   Posted: 10/17/2016 10:23:57 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Time to expand Peden to 40,000, right Billy?


With proper upgrades to the fan experience, the marketing and sales department could really show their worth and would do great things! We are running at 95% capacity in ticket sales and we have a poor fan experience on many levels due to our infrastructure. Build it bigger!
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   Posted: 10/17/2016 12:10:05 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
Time to expand Peden to 40,000, right Billy?


With proper upgrades to the fan experience, the marketing and sales department could really show their worth and would do great things! We are running at 95% capacity in ticket sales and we have a poor fan experience on many levels due to our infrastructure. Build it bigger!



Or, make it better, and charge more because the demand is higher.
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   Posted: 10/17/2016 12:34:20 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
Time to expand Peden to 40,000, right Billy?


With proper upgrades to the fan experience, the marketing and sales department could really show their worth and would do great things! We are running at 95% capacity in ticket sales and we have a poor fan experience on many levels due to our infrastructure. Build it bigger!



Or, make it better, and charge more because the demand is higher.



You cannot make the concourse larger, you can not create more space in many areas of our 1929 stadium. The facility has serious cracks, and other issues. time to rebuild.
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   Posted: 10/17/2016 12:59:51 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
bobcat2nc wrote:
My experience is that, to the average fan Ohio football is simply not important. If you want a large crowd noise you could announce tOSU scores on a regular basis when they are playing the same time.



Apparently true and about as damning as it gets: OSU scores drawing the loudest cheers at Peden.




Maybe it's the sound system but you don't hear O$U scores over the PA; not given so there is no reaction.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Something I've noticed during the first four home games this year
   Posted: 10/17/2016 1:29:24 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
Time to expand Peden to 40,000, right Billy?


With proper upgrades to the fan experience, the marketing and sales department could really show their worth and would do great things! We are running at 95% capacity in ticket sales and we have a poor fan experience on many levels due to our infrastructure. Build it bigger!



Or, make it better, and charge more because the demand is higher.



You cannot make the concourse larger, you can not create more space in many areas of our 1929 stadium. The facility has serious cracks, and other issues. time to rebuild.


Rebuild takes mega bucks. Mega bucks that Ohio University doesn't have for a sport that is a money drain. Unless they can find a big, big donor, I have to think it's more likely to be a renovation.
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   Posted: 10/17/2016 2:07:45 PM 
I would guess that depends on the scale of the renovation. A big renovation could potentially be more expensive than starting from scratch. There may also be issues with meeting modern code that will add significant cost to a renovation.

Otherwise, I'm with you and would prefer a renovation to a demolition/rebuild. The cost to build an architecturally acceptable new stadium would likely be staggering.

And as has been noted in other threads, our "crowds" are hardly demanding a new stadium. They're far more likely to demand that you sit down. You're blocking their view of the field!
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   Posted: 10/17/2016 4:21:52 PM 
As mentioned before we've seen good and engaged crowds at Peden. But to get them you need a strong start to the season and national tv, usually the nights games where we are still relevant and are the frontrunner to win the division. It also helps if tOSU is having a down year for them, but that's not happened since Urban Meyer became coach.
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   Posted: 10/17/2016 5:51:29 PM 
Brian Smith wrote:
If you can't be great, be interesting.

I've always been in favor of MAC football becoming a Barnum & Bailey-type venture. Have the product look more like the Big 12 — 70 passes per team. Bad defense. I'm okay if the MAC is not terribly competitive on the national stage but becomes its own regional oddity of insane scores and wild finishes.

The whole #MACtion thing took off because Toledo and NIU played in the middle of the week on national television, scored a gazillion points and had wild endings, not because it was upper-echelon football. Use what you've got and scrap the stuff that's derivative of what the big boys do.

Find something that Ohio and MAC football can be that no one else in the country offers.



Something like that. I still hope we play some defense.

But note that this is thinking...strategy. So, no particular cost to it unlike stadium expansion or renovation.


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   Posted: 10/17/2016 9:50:51 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
I would guess that depends on the scale of the renovation. A big renovation could potentially be more expensive than starting from scratch. There may also be issues with meeting modern code that will add significant cost to a renovation.

Otherwise, I'm with you and would prefer a renovation to a demolition/rebuild. The cost to build an architecturally acceptable new stadium would likely be staggering.

And as has been noted in other threads, our "crowds" are hardly demanding a new stadium. They're far more likely to demand that you sit down. You're blocking their view of the field!


We have been over 23,000 in every home game in a stadium that is listed at 24,000. Our crowds are large and growing every year. We had record season ticket sales, sold out the family packs, and to say our crowds are lacking in size is crazy! We will be towards the top of college football in % of capacity.
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 8:09:17 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:


We have been over 23,000 in every home game in a stadium that is listed at 24,000. Our crowds are large and growing every year. We had record season ticket sales, sold out the family packs, and to say our crowds are lacking in size is crazy! We will be towards the top of college football in % of capacity.


I was taking a shot at the enthusiasm of our crowds, not the size. However, even given 23,000 in attendance, how much of that crowd is still in attendance at halftime or by the 3rd quarter? If we average 23,000 at kickoff, what do we average at 2nd-half kickoff? Here's a wild guess: maybe 10,000? Hard to justify stadium expansion based on that.
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 9:03:19 AM 
Robert Fox wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:


We have been over 23,000 in every home game in a stadium that is listed at 24,000. Our crowds are large and growing every year. We had record season ticket sales, sold out the family packs, and to say our crowds are lacking in size is crazy! We will be towards the top of college football in % of capacity.


I was taking a shot at the enthusiasm of our crowds, not the size. However, even given 23,000 in attendance, how much of that crowd is still in attendance at halftime or by the 3rd quarter? If we average 23,000 at kickoff, what do we average at 2nd-half kickoff? Here's a wild guess: maybe 10,000? Hard to justify stadium expansion based on that.


That doesn't strike me as the most convincing argument. Second half attendance shouldn't be a factor in stadium size: peak crowd size (at a given price point), seems like the more relevant factor. Disagree?
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 9:14:56 AM 
mf279801 wrote:

That doesn't strike me as the most convincing argument. Second half attendance shouldn't be a factor in stadium size: peak crowd size (at a given price point), seems like the more relevant factor. Disagree?


No, I don't completely disagree. However, I do think crowd enthusiasm is an important factor in predicting future growth. The mass exodus seems to indicate tepid fan support. If I'm playing the odds (with my own money) on future fan growth, that behavior causes me great concern. Now, if I'm betting Monroe's money, I say build it!
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 9:49:15 AM 
sargentfan wrote:
It also helps if tOSU is having a down year for them, but that's not happened since Urban Meyer became coach.


And it's not happening anytime soon as long as he is coach. They have the machine running, and they're well ahead of the rest of the B1G.


Monroe Slavin wrote:
Brian Smith wrote:
If you can't be great, be interesting.

I've always been in favor of MAC football becoming a Barnum & Bailey-type venture. Have the product look more like the Big 12 — 70 passes per team. Bad defense. I'm okay if the MAC is not terribly competitive on the national stage but becomes its own regional oddity of insane scores and wild finishes.

The whole #MACtion thing took off because Toledo and NIU played in the middle of the week on national television, scored a gazillion points and had wild endings, not because it was upper-echelon football. Use what you've got and scrap the stuff that's derivative of what the big boys do.

Find something that Ohio and MAC football can be that no one else in the country offers.



Something like that. I still hope we play some defense.

But note that this is thinking...strategy. So, no particular cost to it unlike stadium expansion or renovation.



I like the idea, and I agree. It doesn't take multi-million dollar investments to make your team into a points scoring, yardage churning machine. It takes recruiting and the right attitude and approach. A different one than we have now on offense.

I have to believe that a team that averages 40+ a game, that plays at a high pace with a "hurry up" offense, keeps more butts in the seats. Maybe I'm delusional.
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 10:30:06 AM 
Robert Fox wrote:
mf279801 wrote:

That doesn't strike me as the most convincing argument. Second half attendance shouldn't be a factor in stadium size: peak crowd size (at a given price point), seems like the more relevant factor. Disagree?


No, I don't completely disagree. However, I do think crowd enthusiasm is an important factor in predicting future growth. The mass exodus seems to indicate tepid fan support. If I'm playing the odds (with my own money) on future fan growth, that behavior causes me great concern. Now, if I'm betting Monroe's money, I say build it!


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   Posted: 10/18/2016 11:00:41 AM 
Robert Fox wrote:
mf279801 wrote:

That doesn't strike me as the most convincing argument. Second half attendance shouldn't be a factor in stadium size: peak crowd size (at a given price point), seems like the more relevant factor. Disagree?


No, I don't completely disagree. However, I do think crowd enthusiasm is an important factor in predicting future growth. The mass exodus seems to indicate tepid fan support. If I'm playing the odds (with my own money) on future fan growth, that behavior causes me great concern. Now, if I'm betting Monroe's money, I say build it!


Ahh, I understand where you're coming from now. Good point.

So long as we're spending Monroe's money on things, I think we need a giant mobile Monty Burns style sun blocker built on the Ridges, so that our sideline doesn't have to spend the second half of every game staring into the sun. Should help on the field performance AND fan engagement/enthusiasm.
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 11:39:38 AM 
BEG wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
It doesn't help when you can't hear the PA and have a videoboard screen that is smaller than what you can find in the average person's living room. I've noticed that while its not showing up that much in the overall attendance numbers student attendance is down from previous years. The hill hasn't been packed all year.


I am not an alum, but I am a player parent who hopes that my son will graduate and continue to have ties to this University. With that being said, I have some fresh eyes when it comes to observations about the Game Day experience. OU seems to do some strange things that are not the norm at other colleges that could contribute to the lack of student interest.

Why aren't are our cheerleaders (the ones actually responsible for pumping up the crowd) ever near the students? How can anyone expect a student section to stay focused when there's nothing to focus on? I have never been to a college game where the cheerleaders are such a non-issue. They spend 2 quarters cheering in the corner near a cannon, battling for space with the cheerleaders from the opposing team. A complete dis-connect from your fans.

Why is the student section behind our bench? That does not seem to be very common in other college stadiums either. i don't know the reason for this but obviously that's why the cheerleaders can't go there, so move the student section to either side of the bench.

Stop with the stupid contests down by the Bobcat tunnel. Nobody cares how well random 8 year olds can dance. The only good thing about it is, that seems to be the only time somebody actually has a PA mike that we can all hear and understand. Maybe use that opportunity to go up into the student section and broadcast or do a contest from there. Maybe have the cheerleaders or dance team do a routine during that time.

Why is our bench across from the press box? In most stadiums the press box is the "home" side and your fans and team stand there. It is also the side the band performs to. i am sure there are reasons for this but I'm not an alum so I don't know the history.


Thank you BEG. I have purposely NOT made many comments on this board because I am also a player parent. BEG's observations mirror mine. I travel a long way to attend home games. My son has had a great experience at OU (senior).
I have been introduced to other parents who are absolutely amazing and support their son and the team's efforts. I do appreciate the lack of player specific criticism placed on the message board. Maybe they are edited - if so, this is appropriate.

The dance team is really good and I enjoy watching them much more than the cheerleaders. Why don't they dance move around to different parts of the stadium?
The cheerleaders push-ups after touchdowns are dumb but probably tradition - but they really suck at it. The cheerleaders spend most of their time in front of the player parents. We already cheer!! Put their efforts to a different part of the stadium where it will make a difference.

I have read the comments over & over about the small scoreboard/video screen. It's insane how small it is. Seriously - just something we can actually see!!

The contests during the timeouts, etc are sophomoric. Really - rolling in a bag?

I'm not that picky about the concessions or the restrooms, but can see where upgrades would be beneficial.

Yes - the band is amazing. I mean really amazing. OU should be and rightfully so, proud of this band. That being said, if you think the players don't notice the students disappear for the 2nd half - you are wrong. It's a disgrace.

I doubt I will post again. I have enjoyed the Pollyanna posts and groan when I read the Eeyore (aka Monroe) posts. I realize this is a place to voice opinions, but these boys put in a lot of effort and hard work into this sport. They don't want to lose either.
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 12:46:13 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
mf279801 wrote:

That doesn't strike me as the most convincing argument. Second half attendance shouldn't be a factor in stadium size: peak crowd size (at a given price point), seems like the more relevant factor. Disagree?


No, I don't completely disagree. However, I do think crowd enthusiasm is an important factor in predicting future growth. The mass exodus seems to indicate tepid fan support. If I'm playing the odds (with my own money) on future fan growth, that behavior causes me great concern. Now, if I'm betting Monroe's money, I say build it!


Ahh, I understand where you're coming from now. Good point.

So long as we're spending Monroe's money on things, I think we need a giant mobile Monty Burns style sun blocker built on the Ridges, so that our sideline doesn't have to spend the second half of every game staring into the sun. Should help on the field performance AND fan engagement/enthusiasm.


This sun argument is lame, go to a South Carolina game and sit facing the sun in 95, 90 or 85 degree weather. The student side faces directly west so you get fried both literally and figuritely.
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 12:53:56 PM 
Warning - rambling post from crazy old Bobcat fan follows:

First off, I love my game days in Athens and wouldn't trade them for anyplace else...even with our shortcomings.

That being said, and I know I'm beating a dead horse, video board and audio replacement should be a no-brainer. Just do it, already. Fiami's puts ours to shame, even though they only put about 150 butts in the student section seats for their game against us.

Secondly, contests during the breaks are supposed to be sophomoric (that's the whole point), and my Bobcats and I find cheerleader pushup suckage tremendously entertaining (disclaimer - some of them do rock the pushups).

Thirdly, I agree that the way to improve fan enthusiasm if by fielding an exciting team. The most fun I can recall having at a home game is the 2011 blackout against Temple. We didn't have a great record, but both teams were in the hunt, televised on big ESPN, a correctly scheduled (night) blackout, and a heck of an exciting game with plenty of offensive fireworks and a lot of back and forth. Peden was rocking.

Suspend the reality of money for a moment, say we WERE to replace Peden. I would see schedule and location as being challenging constraints. We couldn't afford a schedule gap between Old Peden and New Peden, as we play in Athens (no alternate stadium available, unlike UC with Paul Brown as a backup location). So, if we wanted to keep the current location (probably the best location), we would have to raze Old Peden and have New ready in 9 months! Seems high risk at best, unexecutable most likely. There's no room between the IPF and Ping, so that leaves two viable alternatives. The first would be to put New Peden over top the golf course - Gasp! One could then move the golf course to the area vacated by the razing of "new" south green. Or, New Peden could be located at the south green location (which would put a decent distance between it and the IPF)...

Last Edited: 10/18/2016 12:55:46 PM by AlumDadDad
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