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Topic: Where's Burrow?

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Monroe Slavin
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Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 2:49:43 AM

IF we had one notably, really good player at key position, we could contend for the MAC title and be quite a good team.

But this staff couldn't even bring in the son of one of the coaches.

Dude decided that he'd rather go to Ohio State for several sure years of sitting on the bench instead of Roethlisbergermaybeing at the school where his father's a coach.

Your wondering what my point is?

Stop wondering and add it to what should be your pile of disappointment.

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 4:04:03 AM

It was pretty sad that one poster said we were not even his second choice. We have two really good QB's coming in, number 55 and 61 in the Nation.

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 8:20:27 AM

Welcome back Monroe. Your boring, ill-informed opinions that you express in such a repetitive mis-informed manner were missed by all who need to be reminded what makes many fan-based forums unreadable for most.

P.S. Joe decided to attend Ohio State because he wants the opportunity to compete at the Power 5 level, and wants the opportunity to play on a team that has a chance to play for a national championship at the highest level. I am sorry, but not surprised that you cannot understand something as simple and logical as a youngster setting these types of the highest goals, and then having the guts to put in the work to try to reach them. There can be many minuses to trying to play collegiate athletics with your Dad on the coaching staff. I applaud Joe for having the fortitude to create his own path, and the courage to follow his dream !

Last Edited: 10/16/2016 8:28:32 AM by doubledribble

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 8:37:03 AM

bobcat695 wrote:I saw a Bottom 10 team today in Peden Stadium.

Slavin: I think that there's some sarcasm here that most are missing.

At least Monroe's return means more help for us slow readers and our comprehension. Doubt his return has any other benefits.

^More sarcasm for all the slow readers.^

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 12:56:37 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Let's all be honest for a second here. If any of us were a QB the caliber of Burrow who could pretty much go anywhere in the country to play, why in God's name would we play for Ohio? Honestly? What, to win a MACC for the Ohio Bobcats? Big F'in deal! He's part of a program competing for national championships for crying out loud. Look, I strongly dislike Ohio State for many reasons, but you'd have to be an idiot to pick Ohio over all his options. Further, he's only a redshirt freshman at one of the top programs in the nation that starts a very good and experience player. You don't think he's developing being there? Then you must have missed his spring. He'll have his time soon. And I praise his dad for supporting him to go where HE wants to play, not where his father wanted him to (his dad probably wanted him to play a much better programs also anyway). It's what any good parent would do. The kid is a Buckeye. Accept it, get over it and let it go.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 1:41:01 PM

True.

Except he's not playing.

At Ohio or Purdue or Oregon, etc he'd be playing.

By the way, please state all the recruits which this staff has brought in of anywhere near Burrow's potential.

You can keep hating me. ('squared--you add so much helpful content.) Or you can put the Burrows-miss in context with the rest of this coaching staff's achievements...or lack of achievements.

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 2:25:39 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

True.

Except he's not playing.

At Ohio or Purdue or Oregon, etc he'd be playing.

SMH. Your example is bull crap. This "he'd be playing at Ohio or Purdue or Oregon" can apply to a ton of players across the country EVERY SINGLE YEAR - EVERYWHERE. There are a bunch of guys everywhere behind starters that could be playing elsewhere. This situation isn't unique! In fact, it's the norm. Hell, Ohio has guys who are backups that aren't playing that could be playing at other schools too. This is how you develop players and create depth. Should Ohio start convincing the backups they should transfer for more playing time elsewhere at other FCS schools? That's essentially what you're suggesting. If a backup at Ohio State could be playing at Ohio, then backups at Ohio could be playing at (fill in the blank) FCS school. Right? Because hell, everyone should be starting or playing, right?? Why develop or fight to earn a spot when you should be handed one immediately because - just because?? You are beyond ridiculous....

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 3:21:08 PM

Oh.

How many of those guys are very, very highly rated and sons of longtime coaches at OHIO?

I have no idea what you're going on about.

Last Edited: 10/16/2016 3:22:02 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 7:51:29 PM

The kid did not want to go here. Move on. He was in no way obliged to go to Ohio. His father was in no way required to make him go here. He was aware of Ohio and wanted to go somewhere else. Big deal. My son looked at Ohio and wanted to go somewhere else for sports marketing. His choice. Young mr Trents choice - tell me we don't have rehash his selection for the rest of his life. Get over the selection an 18 year old makes. It is about his life not yours or mine. Move the eff on.

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 8:44:01 PM

Columbus, OH.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 9:25:32 PM

Failure. Recruiting failure.

He grew up in the guy's house for crying out loud.

Gotta close the deal in the household.

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 10:35:30 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Failure. Recruiting failure.

He grew up in the guy's house for crying out loud.

Gotta close the deal in the household.

Simple question Monroe. Do you have children?

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 11:06:41 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Oh.

How many of those guys are very, very highly rated and sons of longtime coaches at OHIO?

I have no idea what you're going on about.

You are the guy who would fire Bob Wren after he went to the World Series because his son went elsewhere. Clueless!

Last Edited: 10/16/2016 11:08:19 PM by BillyTheCat

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 11:28:16 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Failure. Recruiting failure.

He grew up in the guy's house for crying out loud.

Gotta close the deal in the household.

Monroe did you grow up in Athens? If not why did you choose Ohio? Ever think someone might want to move away from home and see new things. I'm not from Athens but I can imagine if I grew up most of my life here I would want to get away at some point, especially if it was for such a good opportunity.

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/16/2016 11:34:35 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

You are the guy who would fire Bob Wren after he went to the World Series because his son went elsewhere. Clueless!

Please don't tell Monroe what school Bob Wren's son went to and what sport he played. Please, please, please, don't do it! It would result in 50 new rant posts on multiple BA forums within the next 24 hours.

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/17/2016 9:52:58 AM

I would actually argue that Trae Williams, at this point, is the bigger loss. We had him at least. Then Northwestern came calling. I don't blame him for that but I wonder if he misses running the ball. He would most certainly be competing for a starting job on this year's team in the backfield!

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/17/2016 10:22:06 AM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

Instead he's having a stellar season as a starter at corner back in the Big10.

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/17/2016 10:26:00 AM

Never will fault a teenager making a choice that they think is best for them when it is obvious they have done their diligence weighing through their options. Even being at a lower end P5 school is more attractive than a good to great G5 team for most prospects. Would you rather play at the Big House, Camp Randall or Beaver stadiums in front of crowds pushing/over 100K, or Dix, EMU parking lot gray, or InfoCIsion.com stadiums that can have fewer than 10K?

And a school like Northwestern-even if you are on some average to bad teams...if you take advantage of what is put in front of you, you walk away with a degree from one of the best universities in the world and all of the post playing opportunities that come with that.

Burrow-He was probably never ours to begin with. It's the same line of thinking when there is an outstanding high school player who goes to St. _________ instead of the local public and their fans claiming he was taken from them. Nevermind that the kid grew up playing CYO ball, went to St. ___________ Parish School etc. Right in your back yard yes, but so far from ever being on your field as a player for your team.

Are the players coming to Western Michigan, Toledo, NIU really, really that much better than the guys coming to Athens? Does it have more to do with player development-strength and conditioning, nutrition, direction instruction? Is the coaching motivation, strategy, fire in the belly that much better at the top tier MAC programs? Currently I would say a resounding yes and it makes a big difference.

At a quick glance of MAC coaches, most but not all I would say have aspirations of putting in some time at their respective school, having some success and then getting picked up by a bigger named program. Been a common occurrence since the conference was formed frankly. But they are going to fly around and do everything they can to look as attractive as possible to future suitors. That's not happening where we are. Frank will likely retire from Ohio and I think that's an obstacle in recruiting some ways.

Lastly I would argue that currently in college and pro football everything runs through the QB position. Sure some exceptions exist but why do so many get drafted in the early rounds of the draft? It seems like almost every MAC programs has had at least one NFL-caliber QB in this century. I know our offensive style prevents a Roethlisberger type player from coming here that but there lays part of the challenge. When your record is say average to maybe a few ticks above average and your offense is a bit of a snoozer, big play, dynamic guys aren't going to be interested.

Of course, when your team is struggling to win against good competition is can become easy to want to question everything your team does from what was for breakfast down to what brand of ketchup is being offered up at the concession stand. Until this coaching staff wins at a higher level it will be dissected six ways from Sunday on here.

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/17/2016 1:06:54 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

Instead he's having a stellar season as a starter at corner back in the Big10.

And getting a 100x better education....

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/17/2016 2:51:40 PM

I get all that stuff.

But the point is still that the failure to land a guy right in OUr household is too typical of the failure to achieve that we've seen for 11+ seasons.

If we'd had a MACC in there, if we didn't have so many head-shaking losses over the last four years, the non-achievement re Burrow wouldn't be much.

But, given the failure to achieve, we have to consider it.

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/17/2016 3:00:09 PM

How many other "home-grown" kids have other MAC schools lost to big-time schools? Does anybody recall a kid from Kalamazoo, Akron, Ypsilanti, etc. spurning a MAC school for a bigger program? I'm sure that happens all the time. Does it happen if that home-grown kid has a parent coaching at that school? Who knows, and at this point, I don't really care.

I've gone on record stating that I appreciate what Frank has done for the program and the stability and respect that he's brought to it. But after Saturday, I'm beginning to have real doubts about how much further this program can progress. For the first time, I'm starting to wonder if it isn't time for a change. Fortunately, my enjoyment of visiting Athens isn't based on if the football team wins, although that certainly doesn't hurt.

This program has bigger issues than Burrow. It's time to leave the kid alone, wish him the best at OSU and move onto other things. I will never, ever fault him for the choice that he made.

Where is he, Monroe? He's one play away from being the starting QB for the 2nd ranked team in the country. Not a bad place to be.

Last Edited: 10/17/2016 3:01:07 PM by ShoreCat

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/17/2016 5:12:34 PM

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Monroe Slavin wrote:

Big Ben turned downed Ohio State and led Miami to a top 10 AP finish and if they didn't lose the first game, they would have been in a BCS bowl

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/17/2016 6:07:48 PM

Not playing at Ohio State is better than playing at Ohio. Anyone that has been around both programs knows this. Burrow will play at OSU he is already ranked by the NFL scouts and 100 times better in their eyes than any QB we have. He made the right choice look how much size since Athens HS that he has put on compared to Ohio QBs. His staff at OSU is light years ahead of whats at Ohio lets not mention the facilities.

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RE: Where's Burrow?

Posted: 10/17/2016 7:08:52 PM

If only he would have taken his dad with him.....

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RE: Where's Burrow? (NT)

Posted: 10/17/2016 7:19:14 PM

Last Edited: 10/17/2016 7:24:40 PM by MonroeClassmate

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