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Monroe Slavin
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   Posted: 10/16/2016 12:21:54 AM 
I don't mind if you carp at me if you can weave a decent argument out of facts and logic and vision.

I'm not like the too many here who are so thin-skinned.


But coming back at me about my attendance doesn't get it.


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   Posted: 10/16/2016 9:25:25 AM 
Looks like the visitors corner section actually was pretty full this game:
https://www.facebook.com/ohiobobcats/photos/pcb.101544138...
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   Posted: 10/16/2016 11:50:37 AM 
Take the HS bands and their parents, family, followers, the youth football teams etc., out of the stands and the crowd would have been sparse at best. What has struck me over the past 2 weeks including Homecoming is just the lack of any energy or excitement in the overall crowd. The atmosphere to me has become extremely stale.
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   Posted: 10/16/2016 2:57:14 PM 
BobcatSports wrote:
What has struck me over the past 2 weeks including Homecoming is just the lack of any energy or excitement in the overall crowd. The atmosphere to me has become extremely stale.


Is it that the product on the field is stale? Or that the games take in the area of four hours? (factors for my situation sometimes)
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   Posted: 10/16/2016 3:16:10 PM 
OU_Country wrote:


Is it that the product on the field is stale? Or that the games take in the area of four hours? (factors for my situation sometimes)



Yes to both, and maybe even more factors. I used to love going to the games, and I always had someone wanting to join me. This year, I've gone to three games alone, and given away tickets once. I haven't truly enjoyed any of the games (two losses and an FCS win). This team is mediocrity come to life. The games last forever. No one is really passionate, including me. A .500 team was a welcome novelty 10 years ago. Playing .500 (if we're lucky, to be honest) in the worst division in FBS is not exactly inspiring.
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   Posted: 10/16/2016 3:46:02 PM 
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OU_Country wrote:


Is it that the product on the field is stale? Or that the games take in the area of four hours? (factors for my situation sometimes)



Yes to both, and maybe even more factors. I used to love going to the games, and I always had someone wanting to join me. This year, I've gone to three games alone, and given away tickets once. I haven't truly enjoyed any of the games (two losses and an FCS win). This team is mediocrity come to life. The games last forever. No one is really passionate, including me. A .500 team was a welcome novelty 10 years ago. Playing .500 (if we're lucky, to be honest) in the worst division in FBS is not exactly inspiring.


There is a lot of parity these days once you get beyond the Top 25 teams. Ohio for a game look liked a Top 25 team against Tennessee. You could take almost any of these FBS teams and if they played their absolute best they could look like a Top 25 team for a day. Consequently if you don't play well or make a few bad calls your capable of losing anytime. Its not easy to put a way a team by 30 points unless the school plays really poorly like Marshall did against Akron or a school is truly very good like WMU did against Akron. It was that you could tell okay this is a Top 25, this is a Top 40 team this is a team that will be in a bowl ect and they'd crush teams with bad records. The Miami's and the Kent's today will play you physical and they have athletic players so can't just show up and expect a win. The Solich system is about overwhelming the opponent with more experience and depth, that doesn't work too often anymore.

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   Posted: 10/16/2016 5:42:19 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
BobcatSports wrote:
What has struck me over the past 2 weeks including Homecoming is just the lack of any energy or excitement in the overall crowd. The atmosphere to me has become extremely stale.


Is it that the product on the field is stale? Or that the games take in the area of four hours? (factors for my situation sometimes)



You had a bit of both yesterday. That first half did no favors to get people excited, plus it was extremely slow moving.
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   Posted: 10/17/2016 12:21:53 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
The Solich system is about overwhelming the opponent with more experience and depth, that doesn't work too often anymore.


The "we just have to execute better" and "practice harder" approaches.


ts1227 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
BobcatSports wrote:
What has struck me over the past 2 weeks including Homecoming is just the lack of any energy or excitement in the overall crowd. The atmosphere to me has become extremely stale.


Is it that the product on the field is stale? Or that the games take in the area of four hours? (factors for my situation sometimes)



You had a bit of both yesterday. That first half did no favors to get people excited, plus it was extremely slow moving.



The slow moving part has been an issue in the first half of all but maybe the BG game. A lot of that has to do with TV/media timeouts.
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   Posted: 10/17/2016 3:38:39 PM 
This drives me crazy...take out the band kids and the student side was half full, period. Our fans may be good in numbers by MAC comparisons but their knowledge of football and support of the team is simply LAME.
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 12:15:00 PM 
A BG alum who has been to the last two games said it was good to see most people actually going to the games after tailgating. He says that at BG, they dont. Our football fans are lacking in a lot of ways, but at least the ath dept has found a formula to get a decent number of butts in seats except for the November midweek games.

Amazing that BGSU fan support is so mediocre, maybe less than mediocre, considering their recent success. We have to admit that when it comes to fan support, the MAC is the minor leagues. Despite the lack of energy in Peden, unfortunately, most MAC schools would kill to replicate our game day experience.

As for the 110. I like em as much as anybody else...but I do get annoyed at halftime as the press box side fans en masse stand in absolute rapture for the 110. People who haven't done one darn thing to support the team from the stands the whole first half.

Heck, these "fans" make more noise for the insipid contests and games done during times out than they do during the actual game or even when the team comes thru the tunnel pregame.

Life in the FBS minor leagues...we are lucky to have the good sized crowds that we do. The ath dept takes it one game at a time and finds a formula to get a good crowd for each game. So what if 25% of the crowd on band day are the bands and family members? It's still getting people in the stadium.
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 12:26:13 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
A BG alum who has been to the last two games said it was good to see most people actually going to the games after tailgating. He says that at BG, they dont. Our football fans are lacking in a lot of ways, but at least the ath dept has found a formula to get a decent number of butts in seats except for the November midweek games.

Amazing that BGSU fan support is so mediocre, maybe less than mediocre, considering their recent success. We have to admit that when it comes to fan support, the MAC is the minor leagues. Despite the lack of energy in Peden, unfortunately, most MAC schools would kill to replicate our game day experience.

As for the 110. I like em as much as anybody else...but I do get annoyed at halftime as the press box side fans en masse stand in absolute rapture for the 110. People who haven't done one darn thing to support the team from the stands the whole first half.

Heck, these "fans" make more noise for the insipid contests and games done during times out than they do during the actual game or even when the team comes thru the tunnel pregame.

Life in the FBS minor leagues...we are lucky to have the good sized crowds that we do. The ath dept takes it one game at a time and finds a formula to get a good crowd for each game. So what if 25% of the crowd on band day are the bands and family members? It's still getting people in the stadium.



So why does everyone dismiss my idea of home band performances when the team is away. Everyone always comments on how good they are and how engaged the fans are. Little thinking out of the box we could be on to something!
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC attendance-UPDATED though 10/15/16
   Posted: 10/18/2016 1:25:22 PM 
Updated attendance through 10/15/16
1.Toledo-24,322 (3 games) Note -last game was 30,147
2.WMU-22,992 (3)
3.Ohio-22,750 (4)
4.CMU-21,648 (4)
5.Buffalo-19,469 (3)
6.Miami-18,641 (4) Note-last game was 15,160, Ohio game of 22,212 holding up avg.
7.EMU-17,548 (3) Note-EMU averaged 4,897 last year.
8.BG-16,794 (4)
9.Kent St-15,991 (3)
10.NIU-12,835 (3) Note-last game was 8,495
11.Akron-12,214 (4) Note-3 of 4 games were under 11,400
12.Ball St-9,075 (2) Note-Ball State only has 3 more home games, 5 total

NIU had attendance problems even when they were winning. Losing not helping them.

It will be particularly interesting to see how Toledo does as the weather gets cooler.

Last Edited: 10/18/2016 5:55:37 PM by colobobcat66
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 1:55:09 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
A BG alum who has been to the last two games said it was good to see most people actually going to the games after tailgating. He says that at BG, they dont. Our football fans are lacking in a lot of ways, but at least the ath dept has found a formula to get a decent number of butts in seats except for the November midweek games.

Amazing that BGSU fan support is so mediocre, maybe less than mediocre, considering their recent success. We have to admit that when it comes to fan support, the MAC is the minor leagues. Despite the lack of energy in Peden, unfortunately, most MAC schools would kill to replicate our game day experience.

As for the 110. I like em as much as anybody else...but I do get annoyed at halftime as the press box side fans en masse stand in absolute rapture for the 110. People who haven't done one darn thing to support the team from the stands the whole first half.

Heck, these "fans" make more noise for the insipid contests and games done during times out than they do during the actual game or even when the team comes thru the tunnel pregame.

Life in the FBS minor leagues...we are lucky to have the good sized crowds that we do. The ath dept takes it one game at a time and finds a formula to get a good crowd for each game. So what if 25% of the crowd on band day are the bands and family members? It's still getting people in the stadium.



So why does everyone dismiss my idea of home band performances when the team is away. Everyone always comments on how good they are and how engaged the fans are. Little thinking out of the box we could be on to something!


Because its a net money loser. Would I travel to Athens to watch the band play for 20 minutes? 40? 60? Would I pay? The answer is no to all of those. That said, I know I'm not the biggest band honk out there, sure. All that said, The band generally has football away dates booked for events that actually make them money. So how is the athletic department going to do something at Peden that gets them seen by more people and brings in more dough?
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 3:52:01 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Updated attendance through 10/15/16
1.Toledo-24,322 (3 games) Note -Toledo has 4 more home games, last game was 30,147
2.WMU-22,992 (3)
3.Ohio-22,750 (4)
4.CMU-21,648 (4)
5.Buffalo-19,469 (3)
6.Miami-18,641 (4) Note-last game was 15,160, Ohio game of 22,212 holding up avg.
7.EMU-17,548 (3) Note-EMU averaged 4,897 last year.
8.BG-16,794 (4)
9.Kent St-15,991 (3)
10.NIU-12,835 (3) Note-last game was 8,495
11.Akron-12,214 (4) Note-3 of 4 games were under 11,400
12.Ball St-9,075 (2) Note-Ball State only has 3 more home games, 5 total

NIU had attendance problems even when they were winning. Losing not helping them.

It will be particularly interesting to see how Toledo does as the weather gets cooler.



The same cold be said for WMU, CMU, and UB when it gets colder.

And NIU is talking about adding seats. That's comical!

Consider for UT that the 30k+ number for the last game was against BG, their biggest game of the year.

Last Edited: 10/18/2016 3:53:10 PM by OU_Country
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 4:26:08 PM 
We have a good crowd numbers wise for the first half. After that, we are a bottom dweller considering butts in the seats (probably 10-12,000 max).
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   Posted: 10/18/2016 4:28:04 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Updated attendance through 10/15/16
1.Toledo-24,322 (3 games) Note -Toledo has 4 more home games, last game was 30,147
2.WMU-22,992 (3)
3.Ohio-22,750 (4)
4.CMU-21,648 (4)
5.Buffalo-19,469 (3)
6.Miami-18,641 (4) Note-last game was 15,160, Ohio game of 22,212 holding up avg.
7.EMU-17,548 (3) Note-EMU averaged 4,897 last year.
8.BG-16,794 (4)
9.Kent St-15,991 (3)
10.NIU-12,835 (3) Note-last game was 8,495
11.Akron-12,214 (4) Note-3 of 4 games were under 11,400
12.Ball St-9,075 (2) Note-Ball State only has 3 more home games, 5 total

NIU had attendance problems even when they were winning. Losing not helping them.

It will be particularly interesting to see how Toledo does as the weather gets cooler.



The same cold be said for WMU, CMU, and UB when it gets colder.

And NIU is talking about adding seats. That's comical!

Consider for UT that the 30k+ number for the last game was against BG, their biggest game of the year.


The UT vs BG game was also Toledo's homecoming.

Last Edited: 10/18/2016 4:28:47 PM by A-townBound

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   Posted: 10/18/2016 5:19:15 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
We have a good crowd numbers wise for the first half. After that, we are a bottom dweller considering butts in the seats (probably 10-12,000 max).


That may not be true. Every other school listed here could have a pile of people leaving early as well.
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OU_Country wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Updated attendance through 10/15/16
1.Toledo-24,322 (3 games) Note -Toledo has 4 more home games, last game was 30,147
2.WMU-22,992 (3)
3.Ohio-22,750 (4)
4.CMU-21,648 (4)
5.Buffalo-19,469 (3)
6.Miami-18,641 (4) Note-last game was 15,160, Ohio game of 22,212 holding up avg.
7.EMU-17,548 (3) Note-EMU averaged 4,897 last year.
8.BG-16,794 (4)
9.Kent St-15,991 (3)
10.NIU-12,835 (3) Note-last game was 8,495
11.Akron-12,214 (4) Note-3 of 4 games were under 11,400
12.Ball St-9,075 (2) Note-Ball State only has 3 more home games, 5 total

NIU had attendance problems even when they were winning. Losing not helping them.

It will be particularly interesting to see how Toledo does as the weather gets cooler.



The same cold be said for WMU, CMU, and UB when it gets colder.

And NIU is talking about adding seats. That's comical!

Consider for UT that the 30k+ number for the last game was against BG, their biggest game of the year.

I screwed up, Toledo only has 3 more home games so skip that note.
Cold weather will be a negative for every MAC team, but there's a little more down side for Toledo to me.

Last Edited: 10/18/2016 5:58:31 PM by colobobcat66
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   Posted: 10/19/2016 12:44:39 PM 
I listened to a very interesting discussion on The Fan in Columbus about the way things are in college football and basketball. And it was on the topic of the fans and how the Athletic Dept will typically be beholden to the casual fan and the kind of long term money fans. The hardcore fans that know everything that is going on with the team will pretty much always be there to bring in as long as the product on the field/court is doing well enough. So they focus on ways to bring the casual fan in which usually are ways hardcore fans aren't that interested in. And they focus on those long term fans who are plopping down money for the experience even if they barely understand what is going on with the team. For us this is the majority of the Tower group of fans.

And since for Ohio everything is about money since we don't get the donations like the big boys its finding ways to get butts in the stands even if they don't stay the whole game and aren't as engaged. The hope is that between the product on the field and the atmosphere you work to create you can improve participation though.
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   Posted: 10/19/2016 7:42:39 PM 
Well, The Tribe is going to the World Series, Party at Napoli's.


Most of you are shaking your heads and going 'That Monroe, always going waaaay off topic.'

But no.

The Tribe averaged only about 19,000 per game this year.

Attendance is a little better now that they are playing really well, winning and contending for the title in the league that they're in.



Winning, playing well, winning the MAC title.

How to solve all that's wrong with OHIO FOOTBALL:

Winning, playing well, winning the MAC title.


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Monroe Slavin wrote:
Well, The Tribe is going to the World Series, Party at Napoli's.


Most of you are shaking your heads and going 'That Monroe, always going waaaay off topic.'

But no.

The Tribe averaged only about 19,000 per game this year.

Attendance is a little better now that they are playing really well, winning and contending for the title in the league that they're in.



Winning, playing well, winning the MAC title.

How to solve all that's wrong with OHIO FOOTBALL:

Winning, playing well, winning the MAC title.




The Indians are in the World Series, played well enough to be in the post season and had lousy attendance during the year. Sure they'll have better attendance during the post season. There seems to be no correlation between playing great baseball and good attendance in your example. We're having great attendance and playing mediocre. I don't get it.
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   Posted: 10/20/2016 2:23:54 AM 
Good play and the excitement of a title chase brings 'em out.

Look for The Tribe to have a big attendance uptick next year as people realize this is real ball.


Probably the same re excitement levels at OHIO FOOTBALL.

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The Indians are in the World Series, played well enough to be in the post season and had lousy attendance during the year. Sure they'll have better attendance during the post season. There seems to be no correlation between playing great baseball and good attendance in your example. We're having great attendance and playing mediocre. I don't get it.


People make this point nationally a lot about the Indians, and it betrays a lack of understanding of the real situation. The short version is that baseball attendance is heavily reliant on season ticket sales, and the Indians decimated their season ticket base with almost 10 years of mediocre play that was punctuated by salary dumps of two Cy Young winners and other stars. Why would a fan run out to buy season tickets for that team? They'll do much better next year due to a bump they're already getting from playoff tickets being sold in conjunction with season ticket plans. For these and more reasons the Indians struggle at the gate, this is a great article. http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/2013/05/the-cleveland-indi... /

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Monroe Slavin wrote:
Good play and the excitement of a title chase brings 'em out.

Look for The Tribe to have a big attendance uptick next year as people realize this is real ball.


Probably the same re excitement levels at OHIO FOOTBALL.



They had the third lowest attendance of all major league teams. The Reds beat them by 4000 or so. Where is that excitement for a team that won 94 games? Where were the fans this year in the middle of a pennant race? There are lots of examples showing increased attendance while winning. This years Indians are not one of them.
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colobobcat66 wrote:


The Indians are in the World Series, played well enough to be in the post season and had lousy attendance during the year. Sure they'll have better attendance during the post season. There seems to be no correlation between playing great baseball and good attendance in your example. We're having great attendance and playing mediocre. I don't get it.


People make this point nationally a lot about the Indians, and it betrays a lack of understanding of the real situation. The short version is that baseball attendance is heavily reliant on season ticket sales, and the Indians decimated their season ticket base with almost 10 years of mediocre play that was punctuated by salary dumps of two Cy Young winners and other stars. Why would a fan run out to buy season tickets for that team? They'll do much better next year due to a bump they're already getting from playoff tickets being sold in conjunction with season ticket plans. For these and more reasons the Indians struggle at the gate, this is a great article. http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/2013/05/the-cleveland-indi... /

Same is true of Reds, clearly one of the worse teams in baseball. They beat the Tribe by 4000 per game.

Last Edited: 10/20/2016 9:28:27 AM by colobobcat66
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