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Topic: RE: Peden concrete falling.

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rpbobcat
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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/30/2016 9:51:22 AM

Ted Thompson wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

The piece of concrete that fell is decorative in nature - about 30 inches by 60 inches by 9 inches thick. It fell from the face of the southwest corner where the stadium and Carin Center connect. It pretty well destroyed an A/C unit. Where it fell, no one was in danger of getting hit. The area is now fenced off. I'm sending Ted pictures to post.

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Based on the pictures, it looks like piece that fell was "inset" and supported by a ledge.
It also looks like is was secured using mortar, similar to how you'd put up ceramic tile.
Normally, I would "dowel" the piece into to wall using "rebar".
I guess,because it does look like it was supported,they didn't feel it was necessary.

Not that what happened isn't serious,but from the pictures,I don't see anything that looks structural.

Last Edited: 7/30/2016 9:53:23 AM by rpbobcat

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/30/2016 11:36:24 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Wasn't this brick work and decorative concrete added during some relatively recent renovation?

The tower, which was built in 1991 had this decorative feature added, in an effort to match the existing structure. That decorative work in question dates to construction in 1929. What you cannot see in those photos is that the fallen stone, is directly over a door way from the weight room hallway.

That's more serious then and could have killed somebody. If I understand you properly, and this is the old part of the structure, then the university will probably have to inspect all of the matching decorative concrete for stability. Being done in 1929 would probably explain why this concrete was not tied to the brick work with rebar or galvanized steel.

This is part of the original structure located on the South end of the east stands. Currently all the perimeter of the old stadium is gated off under the stone work.

There are/were six of these decorative elements on the west side of the original stadium - three on the north end (between the entrance to the tower entrance and ticket windows) and three on the south end (between the tower entrance and the hall that connects to the Carin Center). Those two small areas are now fenced off. Those features don't exist on the east stands which are on the golf course side.

Last Edited: 7/30/2016 11:36:57 AM by Alan Swank

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/30/2016 12:49:06 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

Buildings aren't made to last forever.

As an engineer I would argue that, if properly built and maintained,structures (I wouldn't call Peden a building) can last pretty much forever.

Examples? Has it been properly maintained?

Concrete crumbles, iron rusts, paint peals, toilets leak, etc. I'm not seeing it, but I'll defer to the expert.

Examples? the Pyramids, the Parthenon, the Collosseum, all slightly older than Peden and still standing.

You're kidding, right? They're standing, but they are crumbling remains of what they were and have been restored in various ways to keep them standing(particularly the latter two). They are most certainly not functional as they were intended. They are historical ruins.

I'm pretty sure the pyramids are still functional just as they were intended. But I don't have to go back to the Bronze Age to make my point, the Sistine Chapel is 500yrs old and doing just fine.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/30/2016 1:35:12 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Fake Monroe wrote:

11 years with this rotten coaching staff and no MACC. What do you expect? Stadium falling apart = program falling apart. Got to purge the campus of all Republicans, including our CONSERVATIVE, Republican coaches. Wasn't Hillary great last night? Now, that's leadership.

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My man!

Reminds us that there are only two places where it's held that Solich has 11 years into the weakass MAC won a MACC: the minds of the SFB and in the land of Fake Monroe ('cause not in the land of real Monroe).

This is stellar work: Since, and including, Miami in 2012 stopping our string of consecutive wins to start the year, we're 23-21.

That includes wins over these powers: 2012 EMU....2013 Austin Peay, EMU, Miami, UMass....2014 Idaho, E Illinoi, Miami....2015 Idaho, SE Lousiana, Miami

That's some football or what.

#alltheabovehashtagized

Definitely refusing the Kool-Aid. What is it you are drinking Monroe?

I'm...as pretty much always...pointing out FACTS. Relevant facts.

That you and the rest of the SFB deny them is the problem here.

Solich and staff should be judged objectively, not from a starting point of 100%, pure, absolute, reverence.

L.C. is starting to sell me that we can be really good this year maybe. It's good to have hope.

But for a coach to be at a MAC school for 11 years and to not have won a MAC title--not good. I wonder how many times that's happened.

I don't understand the reverence for this staff given the facts of its achievement--or lack thereof.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/30/2016 1:55:41 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

The older is often better. Exhibit #1: Wrigley Field. ;-)

Preservation is helped by Wrigley rarely being used in October.

That is a low blow!

It looks like, though, that this year we may not have to chant in October, "Wait 'till next year!" Did you watch Chapman mow them down tonight? Go Cubs!

I'm rooting for em man!! I'm rooting for em.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/30/2016 2:31:11 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

Buildings aren't made to last forever.

As an engineer I would argue that, if properly built and maintained,structures (I wouldn't call Peden a building) can last pretty much forever.

Examples? Has it been properly maintained?

Concrete crumbles, iron rusts, paint peals, toilets leak, etc. I'm not seeing it, but I'll defer to the expert.

Examples? the Pyramids, the Parthenon, the Collosseum, all slightly older than Peden and still standing.

I'm pretty sure the pyramids are still functional just as they were intended. But I don't have to go back to the Bronze Age to make my point, the Sistine Chapel is 500yrs old and doing just fine.

The pyramids supposedly were built as tombs. They're not serving that purpose today. It's still in ruins with no surface materials intact.

I've seen the Sistine Chapel, and Peden is not exactly in its class.

I'm still saying that Peden is not in great shape which was my original point. Next thing we know it will be compared to the Taj Mahal.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/30/2016 2:49:04 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

... L.C. is starting to sell me that we can be really good this year maybe. It's good to have hope.
...

Monroe, I put my forecast out there awhile ago. I believe that the players are in place for a very good season, unlike the last couple years, which were rebuilding seasons. It's now or never. The next three years are going to be solid, and will be Solich's best teams yet, in my opinion, but until the players prove it on the field, it's just an opinion.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/30/2016 5:41:44 PM

How is that Fake Monroe continues to post (much to everyone's delight)? And yet, my Bcat2 parody account Bcat++ resulted in immediate deletion and a temporary suspension of ***my*** account?

Seems like a double standard.

Or, it could be that Solich has made this program sooooo boring that not even the moderators bother to show up here anymore.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/30/2016 6:56:14 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

The pyramids supposedly were built as tombs. They're not serving that purpose today. It's still in ruins with no surface materials intact. . . .

The surface material of the pyramids in Egypt were made of some hard stone (granite, I think). This was done to protect the softer sandstone underneath. Unfortunately, the harder tops stones were physically removed a few hundred years ago and used for building other things. This has caused the pyramids to deteriorate at a much faster pace in the last few centuries and then in the many centuries before that. At least this was the story told me by an archaeologist friend, who had actually done some "digging" himself in that part of the world. So, I accepted it as fact. If it's not, I'm sure BTC will let us all know, as he is our true Renaissance man on BA. ;-)

Last Edited: 7/30/2016 6:57:09 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/31/2016 8:08:29 AM

colobobcat66 wrote:

Next thing we know it will be compared to the Taj Mahal.

Great point. If we began branding Peden as the Taj Mahal of college football, our international recognize could increase ten-fold.

Well done, colobobcat.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/31/2016 12:43:19 PM

L.C. wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

... L.C. is starting to sell me that we can be really good this year maybe. It's good to have hope.
...

Rebuilding from what? Not a MAC title.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/31/2016 12:43:37 PM

Paul Graham wrote:

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/31/2016 2:21:54 PM

Paul Graham wrote:

I'd say it's because you made your account look like Bcat's name, so that people reading your posts might think they were from the real Bcat. If you make an account "Fake Bcat", that name would clearly be not Bcat, and I would think you could use it to your heart's content.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 7/31/2016 2:35:16 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Rebuilding from what? Not a MAC title.

Rebuilding from the 19 Season ending injuries in 2012. Many of those players either never played again, or played a diminished role in subsequent years. TE was one that was particularly hurt, with career ending injuries to John Tanner and Drew Roback, followed by a career ending injury to Davon Henry the following year. You, yourself, have complained about the TE position post Thompson, but those three injuries have resulting in a scramble to provide the experience needed, with three 5th years transfers, Talbert, Asher, and Heitzman, of which two worked out well.

You are always going to have cycles, with some teams better than others. It happens at every school. It happens to top teams, it happens to middle teams. It happens to bottom teams. Now its time for the next wave of good seasons. Let's see what they bring.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 8/1/2016 11:11:23 AM

rpbobcat wrote:

Ted Thompson wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

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After seeing images, I'm a little less concerned. It's obviously still something that needs addressed, but I was concerned it was structural as well.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 8/1/2016 1:01:46 PM

While many (perhaps most) of us have a sentimental attachment to Peden, perhaps it is time for the University to consider replacing it with a new stadium with more seating capacity and modern conveniences. The main problem I see with that is financing...if it isn't already in the budget (and I'm guessing that it's not), it will require a serious dedicated fund raising effort to get to the $200M - $300M (a purely uneducated guess on my part) that such a project will require.

Last Edited: 8/1/2016 1:05:14 PM by Jeff Johnson

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 8/1/2016 3:03:33 PM

Jeff Johnson wrote:

Akron's infamous stadium cost $65 million according to an Akron Beacon Journal article I just saw via the google. So, $200-$300 million feels high... But, what do I know.

I assume OU would renovate sections at a time and not look to a complete rebuild. Due to funding issues and football is a dying sport. We will never be P5. Why spend the $. In just about every other sport the NCAA provides us with the opportunity to play play for a national championship. Spend $ there....

Last Edited: 8/1/2016 3:04:21 PM by Ohio69

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 8/1/2016 3:04:30 PM

Jeff Johnson wrote:

Here's something to consider: Is a complete rebuild really necessary? I think a restroom/concessions overhaul under the two corner sections is needed. I'm under the impression that the Tower side is much nicer than the rest of the stadium. I don't sit over there, so I'm not sure.

The area that needs addressed is the student side. I frankly believe it ultimately needs completely demolished and replaced. The question is how that could be done and still play in the stadium in construction phases. I think a two deck look that would bump capacity by maybe 2500 to 5000 would be the ideal. I was just in Boone for vacation, and we stopped by App State's campus to see their stadium. Their stands that are opposite their tower would be a good model to go by. They also have a nice grass section like Peden underneath their scoreboard. The advantage Peden has is the lack of a track, which gets everyone much closer to the field. It's definitely something that needs done, but as others have mentioned in this, and several other threads, it will take money that isn't there right now.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 8/1/2016 3:12:14 PM

As MedinaCat has told me, I think Ohio made mistake when they built IPF. They should have built that "into the side" of Peden to renovate concourse on that side adding dual concessions/renovations. Could have split the costs a bit. Two birds, one stone.

The concessions and restrooms on the ground floor on the academic center should help with that issue a bit, but man the concourses on both home and away side are just too tight and not really workable at all.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 8/1/2016 6:29:50 PM

Optimist...I suspect that attaching the IPF to Peden would not have been politically viable. Part of selling the idea on campus was that it was a facility for the entire university community, not just the football team. Attaching it to Peden would have made it look like a "football only" project.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 8/1/2016 8:42:31 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

Agreed Jeff. Plus, I think the Administration knew exactly what they were doing when they built the IPF where they did. I think Ohio has absolutely no plans whatsoever to expand Peden nor do they want to, probably for the reasons stated by Ohio69. Other than maintainence, I suspect the Sook Academic Center is the last major addition we'll ever see to Peden. I know I'm saving my big donation for a dorm, aka Lembright Hall! Well, dare to dream, anyway.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 8/1/2016 11:17:39 PM

Our dear university that would not renovate Old Morton Hall on President Street, a building designed by a nationally renowned architect, but instead tore it down a few weeks ago to create temporary green space with plans to build a brand new building in its place in a few years, will never renovate Peden stadium to any significant extent. They'll tear it down and start over, or do nothing. And, there's a long history of this type of "planning" here. Years ago, when Alden Library was built, they tore down Old Tupper Hall (which was where the little park in front of Alden now sits). Old Tupper was the one of the oldest buildings on campus, but that didn't make any difference. Like Old Morton, it was extremely well built, and could have been renovated. There's lots of lip service to "sustainability" but that's not what actually happens around here when university buildings are the subject of conversation. The word is now that they want to tear down Hanning Hall, which is a building with a tremendously interesting history. It was built by direct congressional appropriation to honor retiring Rep. Charles H. Grosvenor. The bill was passed by both the House and Senate in the morning and by noon was signed by the president. Local lore claims it was the fastest bill ever to get through Congress, while this is no doubt an exaggeration, it is part of a very interesting history. The building, which in my youth was the Athens Post Office, was lavishly decorated with huge chandeliers hanging from very high ceilings, with marble floors and walls. In it's day it looked like a smaller version of a Washington, D.C., government building. It's now fallen in to a state of disrepair. It could be renovated and again look like the wonderful building it used to be but the powers that be want to bring out their wreaking ball once again. The Southeastern Ohio History Center is going to pull out all stops to prevent this from happening. Sorry this turned into a rant, but I guess if one wants to rant there's no better place to do it! ;-)

Last Edited: 8/1/2016 11:38:31 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 8/1/2016 11:18:18 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

I'm hearing that they're going to tear down a lot of the west green housing, so you can have a dorm there.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 8/1/2016 11:36:20 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

If a donor or sponsor steps up that is how Ohio gets nice things. Walter, Sook, Carin, Phillips gave million dollar gifts to the football facilities. A 10 million dollar naming right deal for Peden will pay for a new student student section. The athletic department in perpetuity is looking for gifts. Jeff is right the politics are a factor at this school and that other MAC schools are doing it is used to justify Ohio doing it by the administration. I've seen the Sook drawings and it looks to have a roof top bathroom so its going to be a high end hospitality center on game days plus allow for more standing room only at the base (1500?). Its going to be as significant of a change to the atmosphere as when the stadium field was lowered.

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RE: Peden concrete falling.

Posted: 8/1/2016 11:49:11 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

That would be crazy to tear down Hanning Hall when its such a unique building. Its nice space for a Kennedy Center annex for an uptown traveling art collection. The old engineering building behind it should go and become a park or garden as it has the backdrop at the top of the Richland bridge.

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