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I'm saying BYU, Colorado State, Cincy and UConn. Or Memphis, BYU, Cincy and UCF. Or Houston, BYU, Cincy and UConn. Who knows? It may affect the MAC because we may lose a team or 2 to the AAC. Heck even NIU is being mentioned on the sports channel this morning and it's not the first time. Don't see that one happening for lots of reasons. I actually could see NIU as a member if it gives the Big 12 better access to the Chicago market. That would be a shot across the bow to the Big 10. Chicago is relevant to the Big10 due to the sheer number of Big10 alumni in that city, and the regional area sitting right in the middle of Big10 country. Adding NIU is not going to cut into that dynamic. It may not change the overall picture, but it has to in a small way catch a few eyeballs for the Big 12. They also have alums there and NIU has a few as well. Not saying that that would have a huge impact, but it has to have a little. There's just a lot of people in that metro area. Im still not on board with NIU seeing the Big 12 for lots of other reasons. Only would happen if they took 6 or more schools and thought outside the box. Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/21/2016 10:49:43 PM  If moving around is about TV deals, isn't the AAC going to lose their TV deal if they lose 3-4 schools? The growth of that conference is dependent upon membership staying together for another 5 or 10 years. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/21/2016 10:55:43 PM  L.C. wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Why is that depressing? What has Ohio done to prove it should be in the discussion? In the event that the Big Twelve does expand by taking members from the AAC, the AAC will need to take members from another conference, most likely CUSA or the MAC. What would the AAC be looking for? Here are some things that they might look for in a school: 1. Competitive teams in major sports 2. Good facilities in major sports 3. Strong attendance in major sports 4. Either a strong local media market, or a name that conveys broader appeal than to just a single city. 5. A stable athletic department Does Ohio meet these tests? Not all of them, but probably enough of them that Ohio would at least be one of the teams considered. Are there other teams in the MAC and CUSA that meet them better? Time will tell. Would Ohio be interested in moving the AAC if given the chance? I don't know. It is delusional defined to think that Ohio is any way in these discussions. Hey, when you have a coach who can't win the weak conference that we're in even one time over an 11 year tenure, you really think anyone gives the slightest thought to Ohio? That's delusional. That's one of the reasons that there are a few of us who are quite dis-satisfied with no title in our weak, weak conference in 11 years. We want to be at least a little bit relevant. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/21/2016 11:37:03 PM  Monroe its clear that it's time for a new coaching staff but Solich is close to retirement and has won a lot of games at Ohio. He's not going to retire after this season at put McDavis in a spot as a lame duck to hire a football coach. 2018 is when that academic center will be done with the scoreboard upgrade. I say he'll probably retire after 2018, 14 years at Ohio and 20 years overall coaching. Changes happen slow and steady at Ohio. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,910 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/22/2016 7:12:37 AM  OU_Country wrote: L.C. wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Why is that depressing? What has Ohio done to prove it should be in the discussion? In the event that the Big Twelve does expand by taking members from the AAC, the AAC will need to take members from another conference, most likely CUSA or the MAC. What would the AAC be looking for? Here are some things that they might look for in a school: 1. Competitive teams in major sports 2. Good facilities in major sports 3. Strong attendance in major sports 4. Either a strong local media market, or a name that conveys broader appeal than to just a single city. 5. A stable athletic department Does Ohio meet these tests? Not all of them, but probably enough of them that Ohio would at least be one of the teams considered. Are there other teams in the MAC and CUSA that meet them better? Time will tell. Would Ohio be interested in moving the AAC if given the chance? I don't know. As a fan, I would not be interested in Ohio being in the AAC. If you take out the top 2-3 teams, that's not a very appealing situation if you ask me. The only advantage is the TV contract, but how long would that contract last if UC, UConn, UCF, or Memphis weren't part of the conference? I'm with you here Country. If in fact the AAC breaks up, those schools will either filter back into Conference USA 2.0 or need somewhere else to go. I think the MAC needs to start thinking about how to clean up the pieces. Like now. It seems silly but this whole standing pat thing from the beginning could pay dividends. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,789 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/22/2016 8:34:06 AM  GoCats105 wrote: OU_Country wrote: L.C. wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Why is that depressing? What has Ohio done to prove it should be in the discussion? In the event that the Big Twelve does expand by taking members from the AAC, the AAC will need to take members from another conference, most likely CUSA or the MAC. What would the AAC be looking for? Here are some things that they might look for in a school: 1. Competitive teams in major sports 2. Good facilities in major sports 3. Strong attendance in major sports 4. Either a strong local media market, or a name that conveys broader appeal than to just a single city. 5. A stable athletic department Does Ohio meet these tests? Not all of them, but probably enough of them that Ohio would at least be one of the teams considered. Are there other teams in the MAC and CUSA that meet them better? Time will tell. Would Ohio be interested in moving the AAC if given the chance? I don't know. As a fan, I would not be interested in Ohio being in the AAC. If you take out the top 2-3 teams, that's not a very appealing situation if you ask me. The only advantage is the TV contract, but how long would that contract last if UC, UConn, UCF, or Memphis weren't part of the conference? I'm with you here Country. If in fact the AAC breaks up, those schools will either filter back into Conference USA 2.0 or need somewhere else to go. I think the MAC needs to start thinking about how to clean up the pieces. Like now. It seems silly but this whole standing pat thing from the beginning could pay dividends. I doubt this would break up the AAC. It has 11 regular members (plus Navy for football). At most, the AAC would lose three schools to the Big 12. I don't think that would send them scrambling to form another conference. Besides, would it really benefit the MAC to take on any of the schools that don't get into the Big 12? Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/22/2016 9:45:51 AM  I'd say you're right - it's unlikely to have much of a bearing on the MAC, but it never hurts to have the conversations. For one, let's say NIU or UB appear likely to leave. I'd hope that they'd be on the phone to Marshall for starters. Here's another thought: Maybe it's worth being aggressive to add two additional teams and go to 14? (I don't think so, just playing a different angle) In that case, ODU, WKU, Middle Tennessee, and App State are potentially nice partners for the MAC. Or maybe there is a logical choice that is a school aspiring to jump to FBS? I agree standing pat has turned out to serve the MAC well so far, but it doesn't mean there isn't value in kicking the tires for replacement schools if a MAC jumps to the AAC, or even looking at adding two more schools if they fit. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,155 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/22/2016 10:41:10 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: L.C. wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Why is that depressing? What has Ohio done to prove it should be in the discussion? In the event that the Big Twelve does expand by taking members from the AAC, the AAC will need to take members from another conference, most likely CUSA or the MAC. What would the AAC be looking for? Here are some things that they might look for in a school: 1. Competitive teams in major sports 2. Good facilities in major sports 3. Strong attendance in major sports 4. Either a strong local media market, or a name that conveys broader appeal than to just a single city. 5. A stable athletic department Does Ohio meet these tests? Not all of them, but probably enough of them that Ohio would at least be one of the teams considered. Are there other teams in the MAC and CUSA that meet them better? Time will tell. Would Ohio be interested in moving the AAC if given the chance? I don't know. It is delusional defined to think that Ohio is any way in these discussions. Hey, when you have a coach who can't win the weak conference that we're in even one time over an 11 year tenure, you really think anyone gives the slightest thought to Ohio? That's delusional. That's one of the reasons that there are a few of us who are quite dis-satisfied with no title in our weak, weak conference in 11 years. We want to be at least a little bit relevant. Your obsession with lack of a MACC keeps you from seeing the records of many of the AAC teams who are terrible. Check our South Florida, Tulane and SMU. Our lack of a MACC is the least of the factors keeping us from a better(AAC?)conference. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,910 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/22/2016 1:12:17 PM  UpSan Bobcat wrote: GoCats105 wrote: OU_Country wrote: L.C. wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Why is that depressing? What has Ohio done to prove it should be in the discussion? In the event that the Big Twelve does expand by taking members from the AAC, the AAC will need to take members from another conference, most likely CUSA or the MAC. What would the AAC be looking for? Here are some things that they might look for in a school: 1. Competitive teams in major sports 2. Good facilities in major sports 3. Strong attendance in major sports 4. Either a strong local media market, or a name that conveys broader appeal than to just a single city. 5. A stable athletic department Does Ohio meet these tests? Not all of them, but probably enough of them that Ohio would at least be one of the teams considered. Are there other teams in the MAC and CUSA that meet them better? Time will tell. Would Ohio be interested in moving the AAC if given the chance? I don't know. As a fan, I would not be interested in Ohio being in the AAC. If you take out the top 2-3 teams, that's not a very appealing situation if you ask me. The only advantage is the TV contract, but how long would that contract last if UC, UConn, UCF, or Memphis weren't part of the conference? I'm with you here Country. If in fact the AAC breaks up, those schools will either filter back into Conference USA 2.0 or need somewhere else to go. I think the MAC needs to start thinking about how to clean up the pieces. Like now. It seems silly but this whole standing pat thing from the beginning could pay dividends. I doubt this would break up the AAC. It has 11 regular members (plus Navy for football). At most, the AAC would lose three schools to the Big 12. I don't think that would send them scrambling to form another conference. Besides, would it really benefit the MAC to take on any of the schools that don't get into the Big 12? Your asking if a school like Memphis gets rejected from the Big 12 would it help the MAC? Of course it would. I think the MAC was smart not doing anything in the beginning, but now they need to do something for survival. Get WKU and Marshall on board if the AAC plucks the rest of C-USA. Do something. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,789 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/22/2016 6:12:20 PM  GoCats105 wrote: UpSan Bobcat wrote: GoCats105 wrote: OU_Country wrote: L.C. wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Why is that depressing? What has Ohio done to prove it should be in the discussion? In the event that the Big Twelve does expand by taking members from the AAC, the AAC will need to take members from another conference, most likely CUSA or the MAC. What would the AAC be looking for? Here are some things that they might look for in a school: 1. Competitive teams in major sports 2. Good facilities in major sports 3. Strong attendance in major sports 4. Either a strong local media market, or a name that conveys broader appeal than to just a single city. 5. A stable athletic department Does Ohio meet these tests? Not all of them, but probably enough of them that Ohio would at least be one of the teams considered. Are there other teams in the MAC and CUSA that meet them better? Time will tell. Would Ohio be interested in moving the AAC if given the chance? I don't know. As a fan, I would not be interested in Ohio being in the AAC. If you take out the top 2-3 teams, that's not a very appealing situation if you ask me. The only advantage is the TV contract, but how long would that contract last if UC, UConn, UCF, or Memphis weren't part of the conference? I'm with you here Country. If in fact the AAC breaks up, those schools will either filter back into Conference USA 2.0 or need somewhere else to go. I think the MAC needs to start thinking about how to clean up the pieces. Like now. It seems silly but this whole standing pat thing from the beginning could pay dividends. I doubt this would break up the AAC. It has 11 regular members (plus Navy for football). At most, the AAC would lose three schools to the Big 12. I don't think that would send them scrambling to form another conference. Besides, would it really benefit the MAC to take on any of the schools that don't get into the Big 12? Your asking if a school like Memphis gets rejected from the Big 12 would it help the MAC? Of course it would. I think the MAC was smart not doing anything in the beginning, but now they need to do something for survival. Get WKU and Marshall on board if the AAC plucks the rest of C-USA. Do something. If enough schools go leave the AAC that the remaining members prefer to seek other options, then I'm pretty sure all of the good schools will be gone. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,064 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/22/2016 8:35:55 PM  For now the AAC is the best of the G5 conferences, sort of a step between the MAC-CUSA-Sunbelt group and the P5. If they AAC gets raided, I'm not sure that will still be true, but it might be. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/22/2016 9:01:04 PM  YEAH, MAC CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER ALMOST 50 YEARS WOULDN'T BE A STORY, WOULDN'T ATTRACT ATTENTION. UH, CAVS. SURE, A MACC WOULD NOT BE A PROMINENT STATEMENT THAT WE ARE LEGIT. WHAT EVER. HOW MANY YEARS IS GOOD IN THE WEAK MAC WITH NO TITLE? THEN, HOW MANY YEARS WITHOUT MAKES YOU BEGIN TO QUESTION THE QUALITY WITH WHICH THE COACHING RESPONSIBILITIES ARE BEING EXECUTED? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,155 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/22/2016 9:29:32 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: YEAH, MAC CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER ALMOST 50 YEARS WOULDN'T BE A STORY, WOULDN'T ATTRACT ATTENTION. UH, CAVS. SURE, A MACC WOULD NOT BE A PROMINENT STATEMENT THAT WE ARE LEGIT. WHAT EVER. HOW MANY YEARS IS GOOD IN THE WEAK MAC WITH NO TITLE? THEN, HOW MANY YEARS WITHOUT MAKES YOU BEGIN TO QUESTION THE QUALITY WITH WHICH THE COACHING RESPONSIBILITIES ARE BEING EXECUTED? Have you taken your pills today? Nobody satisfied with no MACC, but calling for a coaching change right now may be a waste of time, but hey keep trying. Back to Top El Gato Roberto General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Illinois Post Count: 1,070 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/22/2016 11:39:54 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: YEAH, MAC CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER ALMOST 50 YEARS WOULDN'T BE A STORY, WOULDN'T ATTRACT ATTENTION. UH, CAVS. SURE, A MACC WOULD NOT BE A PROMINENT STATEMENT THAT WE ARE LEGIT. WHAT EVER. HOW MANY YEARS IS GOOD IN THE WEAK MAC WITH NO TITLE? THEN, HOW MANY YEARS WITHOUT MAKES YOU BEGIN TO QUESTION THE QUALITY WITH WHICH THE COACHING RESPONSIBILITIES ARE BEING EXECUTED? Am I the only one who hears shouting when reading all caps. Reading this was like listening to Trump's speech on Thursday night. (Not so loud - it's not that we don't hear you, it's that we aren't listening) "The name's Ohio University, but everybody calls me Ohio. Any of you guys call me Ohio U, and I'll kill you." Back to Top OUBob General User Member Since: 9/9/2010 Location: Powell, OH Post Count: 278 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/23/2016 12:08:51 AM  Who thinks we could leave? Who wants us? We don't fill a 25k stadium and our local media market doesn't even include a tv station. Btw, adding WKU would be cool, great football stadium, visiting fans can check out the National Corvette Museum. They have a Nic racetrack too. I would frequent. Last Edited: 7/23/2016 12:09:34 AM by OUBob n00b Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,447 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/23/2016 10:17:00 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: YEAH, MAC CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER ALMOST 50 YEARS WOULDN'T BE A STORY, WOULDN'T ATTRACT ATTENTION. UH, CAVS. SURE, A MACC WOULD NOT BE A PROMINENT STATEMENT THAT WE ARE LEGIT. WHAT EVER. HOW MANY YEARS IS GOOD IN THE WEAK MAC WITH NO TITLE? THEN, HOW MANY YEARS WITHOUT MAKES YOU BEGIN TO QUESTION THE QUALITY WITH WHICH THE COACHING RESPONSIBILITIES ARE BEING EXECUTED? Ohio winning a MACC after 50 years would NOT be a story. You care, I care, everyone that reads this board cares. We care a lot. The team and their families care even more. Outside of that, no...one...else....cares. At all. Ohio winning a MACC isn't even within the same universe as the CAVS winning the championship here a month ago. Not even close. I think you have to live here on a day-to-day basis to really understand what I'm talking about. Honestly, I'm not trying to be disparaging Monroe as I LOVE your Bobcat enthusiasm and I wish there was more of that amongst our alumni. But, Ohio winning a MACC in football will get us a short blurb on ESPN's ticker running at the bottom of their TV screen, but that's about it. I just think you overestimate the impact of Ohio winning a football MACC. Now, hoops is a much, much different story as we all saw in 2012. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,776 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/23/2016 12:29:38 PM  Why would the MAC want to expand? The teams in this league are committed. And I get it the teams that the MAC has can be poached at any point (only teams they'd want to take is NIU, Toledo, Buffalo and despite everything Akron), but right now the stability is the best selling feature for the MAC. When I can essentially look at the meat of the MAC that has been going strong for 20 years in all sports (sans the Marshalls, UCF, Temples, and UMASS) there's no reason to add. Sure WKU and Marshall would be great gets from a regional standpoint. My problem in adding them is Marshall and WKU have always looked for bigger and better. To look at Marshall is how I would look at an ex that has burnt you before and now wants you back. I wouldn't take them even if they were a smokeshow of a girl. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/23/2016 12:38:50 PM  El Gato Roberto wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: YEAH, MAC CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER ALMOST 50 YEARS WOULDN'T BE A STORY, WOULDN'T ATTRACT ATTENTION. UH, CAVS. SURE, A MACC WOULD NOT BE A PROMINENT STATEMENT THAT WE ARE LEGIT. WHAT EVER. HOW MANY YEARS IS GOOD IN THE WEAK MAC WITH NO TITLE? THEN, HOW MANY YEARS WITHOUT MAKES YOU BEGIN TO QUESTION THE QUALITY WITH WHICH THE COACHING RESPONSIBILITIES ARE BEING EXECUTED? Am I the only one who hears shouting when reading all caps. Reading this was like listening to Trump's speech on Thursday night. (Not so loud - it's not that we don't hear you, it's that we aren't listening) Hear me now and listen to me later. El--good call. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/24/2016 7:45:37 AM  UpSan Bobcat wrote: GoCats105 wrote: OU_Country wrote: L.C. wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Why is that depressing? What has Ohio done to prove it should be in the discussion? In the event that the Big Twelve does expand by taking members from the AAC, the AAC will need to take members from another conference, most likely CUSA or the MAC. What would the AAC be looking for? Here are some things that they might look for in a school: 1. Competitive teams in major sports 2. Good facilities in major sports 3. Strong attendance in major sports 4. Either a strong local media market, or a name that conveys broader appeal than to just a single city. 5. A stable athletic department Does Ohio meet these tests? Not all of them, but probably enough of them that Ohio would at least be one of the teams considered. Are there other teams in the MAC and CUSA that meet them better? Time will tell. Would Ohio be interested in moving the AAC if given the chance? I don't know. As a fan, I would not be interested in Ohio being in the AAC. If you take out the top 2-3 teams, that's not a very appealing situation if you ask me. The only advantage is the TV contract, but how long would that contract last if UC, UConn, UCF, or Memphis weren't part of the conference? I'm with you here Country. If in fact the AAC breaks up, those schools will either filter back into Conference USA 2.0 or need somewhere else to go. I think the MAC needs to start thinking about how to clean up the pieces. Like now. It seems silly but this whole standing pat thing from the beginning could pay dividends. I doubt this would break up the AAC. It has 11 regular members (plus Navy for football). At most, the AAC would lose three schools to the Big 12. I don't think that would send them scrambling to form another conference. Besides, would it really benefit the MAC to take on any of the schools that don't get into the Big 12? As I said above, I'm curious what the AAC looks like after this. I've read articles that the Big 12 is taking 4 schools. I've read articles that it will only take 2. I've read articles claiming certain schools seem like locks while other articles say the exact opposite. Even UC, who appears like a lock to me, it still considered far from a sure-thing by many. Without knowing who the Big 12 takes, it is hard to play out all the different scenarios. If the Big 12 takes UC and Houston (some swear is unlikely bc of Texas schools) and then grabs BYU and Boise (again, not sure how likely either are) then lets say UConn defects elsewhere (but to WHERE????) and Memphis defects elsewhere (again, WHERE?) and UCF defects (WHERE?) leaving the AAC like Country proposed above... That would leave: ECU USF Temple Navy SMU Tulane Tulsa That IS a conference I'm interested in IF (BIG IF) contracts are put in place that make it absurdly costly for a member to leave the conference. I think it is becoming increasingly evident that standing pat has more benefits than a lot of people first admitted. Beyond the convenience of not changing member schools, I think it helps the MAC's brand that is has been mostly constant. Now with that said, the MAC hasn't been completely stable. Temple and UMass have both come and gone in the lasts decade. Had either been full-time members, committing to men's basketball, that is a complete game-changer in the sense that I doubt any MAC fans would not take them back in a heartbeat. If the MAC can add full-time members from this, particularly Temple, I'm all-in. Where do all these AAC schools with hopes of the Big 12 turn when they aren't the "chosen ones" for the Big 12? It doesn't hurt to ask. Last Edited: 7/24/2016 7:47:26 AM by The Optimist I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/25/2016 10:52:45 AM  The Optimist wrote: That IS a conference I'm interested in IF (BIG IF) contracts are put in place that make it absurdly costly for a member to leave the conference. I think it is becoming increasingly evident that standing pat has more benefits than a lot of people first admitted. Beyond the convenience of not changing member schools, I think it helps the MAC's brand that is has been mostly constant. Now with that said, the MAC hasn't been completely stable. Temple and UMass have both come and gone in the lasts decade. Had either been full-time members, committing to men's basketball, that is a complete game-changer in the sense that I doubt any MAC fans would not take them back in a heartbeat. If the MAC can add full-time members from this, particularly Temple, I'm all-in. Where do all these AAC schools with hopes of the Big 12 turn when they aren't the "chosen ones" for the Big 12? It doesn't hurt to ask. You make a couple great points here. In particular, the stable brand is a good thing I hadn't considered. I think one of the absolute requirements going forward were the MAC to add schools is the requirement to participate in all major men's and women's sports. I never thought they should have allowed Temple and UMass to be football only. The other point you make is the buyout for jumping to another conference. It would make sense that every school in the MAC would have this with an increased TV deal, not just new or incoming schools. Who knows if they've done it, but it would make sense to keep things stable for the foreseeable future. Depending on what happens with the AAC, the MAC is poised to be one of the strongest non-P5 conferences, if not THE strongest. Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/26/2016 5:39:48 PM  colobobcat66 wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: OhioStunter wrote: colobobcat66 wrote: It's anybody's guess, but who do you think will join the new Big12? I'm saying BYU, Colorado State, Cincy and UConn. Or Memphis, BYU, Cincy and UCF. Or Houston, BYU, Cincy and UConn. Who knows? It may affect the MAC because we may lose a team or 2 to the AAC. Heck even NIU is being mentioned on the sports channel this morning and it's not the first time. Don't see that one happening for lots of reasons. I actually could see NIU as a member if it gives the Big 12 better access to the Chicago market. That would be a shot across the bow to the Big 10. Chicago is relevant to the Big10 due to the sheer number of Big10 alumni in that city, and the regional area sitting right in the middle of Big10 country. Adding NIU is not going to cut into that dynamic. It may not change the overall picture, but it has to in a small way catch a few eyeballs for the Big 12. They also have alums there and NIU has a few as well. Not saying that that would have a huge impact, but it has to have a little. There's just a lot of people in that metro area. Im still not on board with NIU seeing the Big 12 for lots of other reasons. Only would happen if they took 6 or more schools and thought outside the box. I've been surprised at the amount of media coverage NIU has gotten in Chicago on the nightly sports reports for both football and basketball and in local newspapers/radio. Chicago will always be a Big 10 market, but what a coup it would be for the Big 12 to get a team in the backyard of the Big 10 HQ in Rosemont. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/26/2016 5:51:46 PM  Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: Why would the MAC want to expand? The teams in this league are committed. And I get it the teams that the MAC has can be poached at any point (only teams they'd want to take is NIU, Toledo, Buffalo and despite everything Akron), but right now the stability is the best selling feature for the MAC. When I can essentially look at the meat of the MAC that has been going strong for 20 years in all sports (sans the Marshalls, UCF, Temples, and UMASS) there's no reason to add. Sure WKU and Marshall would be great gets from a regional standpoint. My problem in adding them is Marshall and WKU have always looked for bigger and better. To look at Marshall is how I would look at an ex that has burnt you before and now wants you back. I wouldn't take them even if they were a smokeshow of a girl. Buckeye, you speak of commitment. Take bacon and eggs, for example. The chicken is part of the team, but the pig is committed. Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/26/2016 8:54:15 PM  giacomo wrote: Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: Why would the MAC want to expand? The teams in this league are committed. And I get it the teams that the MAC has can be poached at any point (only teams they'd want to take is NIU, Toledo, Buffalo and despite everything Akron), but right now the stability is the best selling feature for the MAC. When I can essentially look at the meat of the MAC that has been going strong for 20 years in all sports (sans the Marshalls, UCF, Temples, and UMASS) there's no reason to add. Sure WKU and Marshall would be great gets from a regional standpoint. My problem in adding them is Marshall and WKU have always looked for bigger and better. To look at Marshall is how I would look at an ex that has burnt you before and now wants you back. I wouldn't take them even if they were a smokeshow of a girl. Buckeye, you speak of commitment. Take bacon and eggs, for example. The chicken is part of the team, but the pig is committed. Interesting analogy. How would Green Eggs & Ham analogy go......? RS Bobcat Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/26/2016 8:57:54 PM  RSBobcat wrote: giacomo wrote: Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: Why would the MAC want to expand? The teams in this league are committed. And I get it the teams that the MAC has can be poached at any point (only teams they'd want to take is NIU, Toledo, Buffalo and despite everything Akron), but right now the stability is the best selling feature for the MAC. When I can essentially look at the meat of the MAC that has been going strong for 20 years in all sports (sans the Marshalls, UCF, Temples, and UMASS) there's no reason to add. Sure WKU and Marshall would be great gets from a regional standpoint. My problem in adding them is Marshall and WKU have always looked for bigger and better. To look at Marshall is how I would look at an ex that has burnt you before and now wants you back. I wouldn't take them even if they were a smokeshow of a girl. Buckeye, you speak of commitment. Take bacon and eggs, for example. The chicken is part of the team, but the pig is committed. Interesting analogy. How would Green Eggs & Ham analogy go......? "Would you like them here or there?" RS Bobcat Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,827 Status: Offline     RE: Big 12 Expansion    Posted: 7/26/2016 10:20:43 PM  RSBobcat wrote: RSBobcat wrote: giacomo wrote: Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: Why would the MAC want to expand? The teams in this league are committed. And I get it the teams that the MAC has can be poached at any point (only teams they'd want to take is NIU, Toledo, Buffalo and despite everything Akron), but right now the stability is the best selling feature for the MAC. When I can essentially look at the meat of the MAC that has been going strong for 20 years in all sports (sans the Marshalls, UCF, Temples, and UMASS) there's no reason to add. Sure WKU and Marshall would be great gets from a regional standpoint. My problem in adding them is Marshall and WKU have always looked for bigger and better. To look at Marshall is how I would look at an ex that has burnt you before and now wants you back. I wouldn't take them even if they were a smokeshow of a girl. Buckeye, you speak of commitment. Take bacon and eggs, for example. The chicken is part of the team, but the pig is committed. Interesting analogy. How would Green Eggs & Ham analogy go......? "Would you like them here or there?" 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