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Monroe Slavin
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  Message Not Read  Another canard
   Posted: 4/25/2016 3:42:37 PM 
Mistruth.

There have been intimations on this board that some of our running backs, espec those who some here might have wanted to get more carries over the last year or so, did not get carries (or more carries) because the coaches determined that they weren't game ready...didn't know the playbook or whatever.

Well, if that's so, then those guys either 1) didn't see the field because they weren't ready or 2) they saw the field and there were problems because they weren't ready.

On the latter, has anyone noticed a more than usual amount of discombobulation, uh-oh-that-guy-doesn't-know-the-playbook over the last year or two. I don't think anyone would argue that has happened.

So, that leaves the first idea: guys were held back because they weren't ready...so, thank goodness, they weren't allowed out there where they cold make mistakes.

But that's another our-coaches-are-infallible argument which no one can reason with. How can I prove the guys were ready if they didn't play (or didn't play soon enough or often enough)?


Again, the coaches are held by the SFB as infallible despite any proof at all that guys were not ready beyond the staff's own assertion of same.






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  Message Not Read  RE: Another canard
   Posted: 4/25/2016 4:06:21 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Mistruth.

There have been intimations on this board that some of our running backs, espec those who some here might have wanted to get more carries over the last year or so, did not get carries (or more carries) because the coaches determined that they weren't game ready...didn't know the playbook or whatever.

Well, if that's so, then those guys either 1) didn't see the field because they weren't ready or 2) they saw the field and there were problems because they weren't ready.

On the latter, has anyone noticed a more than usual amount of discombobulation, uh-oh-that-guy-doesn't-know-the-playbook over the last year or two. I don't think anyone would argue that has happened.

So, that leaves the first idea: guys were held back because they weren't ready...so, thank goodness, they weren't allowed out there where they cold make mistakes.

But that's another our-coaches-are-infallible argument which no one can reason with. How can I prove the guys were ready if they didn't play (or didn't play soon enough or often enough)?


Again, the coaches are held by the SFB as infallible despite any proof at all that guys were not ready beyond the staff's own assertion of same.






Get a life.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Another canard
   Posted: 4/25/2016 8:39:36 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:


Yip, Yip, SFB canard


You may want to revisit the PM you received last fall from the parent of a player. You relayed in another thread that they found said RB to be polite and have no character issues (echoed by others). You conveniently left out that multiple players on the team conveyed that playing time was being curtailed because of a lack of understanding of the offense – a condition that has been echoed by others. The payers did not appear to have an issue with said playing time.

Now in PMs between the two of us, I presented that not fully grasping the offense after two years was a concern to me. However, knowing that he played HS at a small school against inferior opposition AND played using CFL rules (3 downs, etc.) and field dimensions, the situation becomes understandable – at least to most

So to date, it appears understandable to the coaches and most other posters on AB - but not to you. So what the Hell, let’s add Ohio football players as another contingency to whom you have superior football knowledge. Or perhaps there is a different canard at play.
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Monroe Slavin
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  Message Not Read  RE: Another canard
   Posted: 4/25/2016 8:46:54 PM 
cc--I admit that is possible. I've always conceded that my theories are not perfect.

It's your side, the SFB side, which is absolutist, which refuses to concede that the coaches may not be perfect.


Here, I think that you'll agree that we've not seen any running back miscues, certainly not any beyond what one normally sees in football.

So, one could conclude that the coaches have played the right guys. But the evidence (no meaningful miscues) does not foreclose the possibility that the coaches are not playing the right guys, should not have used Irons more.







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  Message Not Read  RE: Another canard
   Posted: 4/25/2016 10:10:05 PM 
No, per Jim Carey, there is a chance. But when we are all hearing the same thing (even from other players) then perhaps your perspective here is the one that is misplaced. Let me see…..your view….the player’s view….hmmm. Perhaps this is an area where your perspective is not perfect.

Monroe, for the umpteenth time you need to stop with the "if you disagree with me on anything, then you are in the “other” camp...in everyway, on everything.” In doing so, you paint yourself as the absolutist – in that anyone who ever disagrees with you is absolutely a “green kool-aid drinking, coaches ass-kissing, never be upset with the team or program” fan. It’s old and shows a lack of effort to listen.

Your approach to this board is what is wrong with the general approach to discussion in our country. We have gone from being able to respectfully discuss and disagree with each other to “if you do not agree with me 100% then you are the “other.”

I asked you before, I will ask again. You label (another lazy tactic in today’s society) me an SFB – absolutist. Show me where. Show me how? Or perhaps we just disagree here and you are casting me (as you do others) with a blanket. I do not disagree that there are unwavering faithful. The number is few. Stop throwing people in camps – you are better than that.

So where do we stand? A kid didn't play much last year. When he did, he showed great potential. Countless have heard he was simply not ready. We also hear that he now is. As I have stated elsewhere, I suspect he will storm the scene next season. And when he does, you will again (or continue) to bellow how he should have played more last year. And I suppose that I, and others, will point to how he (according to his coaches AND teammates) needed time to ferment.

On this the Irons subject I will give the benefit of the doubt to the coaches – if for no other reason than that players appear to be in agreement and we have heard it from too many perspectives to disregard.

Now let's just let the kid play ball.

Last Edited: 4/25/2016 11:17:58 PM by cc-cat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Another canard
   Posted: 4/25/2016 10:25:57 PM 
It was also widely reported that said RB needed to mature *both* on and off the field last year. It is now reported that said maturity has been achieved. Look back on your first two years in college. Did you ever do stupid things that in retrospect were very immature and showed that you needed a tad more discipline and focus in your life? Fortunately, said RB had a coach who wasn't going to send the wrong message to the rest of the team by playing him when he was still dealing with issues well known to his teammates and that set a bad example of the deportment expected of a college football player at OHIO. Team chemistry and team "politics" is something a coach has to take into account in making playing time decisions. Is Solich perfect in making these decisions? NO! Does he have a much better grasp on internal team dynamics than I do? Yes! Was I personally upset that said RB didn't play more last year. YES! Do I believe that I was right in campaigning on this board for more playing time for him? NO! When I get new information about a situation I reassess my personal position and try to put things in perspective. Go OHIO!

Last Edited: 4/25/2016 11:52:57 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Another canard
   Posted: 4/25/2016 11:39:16 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
... On the latter, has anyone noticed a more than usual amount of discombobulation, uh-oh-that-guy-doesn't-know-the-playbook over the last year or two. I don't think anyone would argue that has happened.
...

Certainly you're the first to make this claim, so I'd have to think that virtually everyone would disagree with your point.

colobobcat66 wrote:
Get a life.

Let him have his fun this summer. Once the actual football starts, I expect that it's going to be a very long season for him.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Another canard
   Posted: 4/26/2016 8:57:26 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Let him have his fun this summer. Once the actual football starts, I expect that it's going to be a very long season for him.


Unfortunately LC, I don't agree. Here's a primer:
1. See! How can anyone argue this kid wasn't ready? Stupid we didn't play him last year. Consider it one year of eligibility lost. Thanks coach...

2. Finally run a two-back set. How long have I been asking for this? Since it's now working, we'll have to come up with a new gimmick for the future but our ultra-conservative coach is still reading the Wheaties box.

3. We beat a pathetic Texas State team by 3? This coaching staff is a joke. Where's the killer instinct? Where's the total domination? Not with this staff. We'll never win the MACC with this crew. Up by 10 in the final seconds of the first half and we take a knee? Why not a halfback pass there? Or a flea-flicker? Some kind of wrinkle to keep the TSU coach guessing.

3. The PLAYERS!!!! That's the reason we snuck past Akron. They are just as frustrated with Solich as I am so they decided to carry this team on their backs. Hats off to 'em! Did you see Irons cut right on the third play in the second half? The one where he juked the MLB out of his Nike's? He clearly was giving Solich the finger, shaking off his lame coaches, and creating space the way only I knew he could. Solich owes him his salary.

4. How can you guys be satisfied with this? Twelve years and only ONE Mac Title. Horrible.

5. (After a midseason loss to a team we "should" beat.) Unacceptable! Opposing coaches can't wait to play Solich. He's the most predictable coach in the conference. Why didn't we see Oullette today? Clearly Irons was gassed. You plug in Oullette there. Keep the oppo guessing. But not this staff. We keep hammering up the middle hoping for a different outcome.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Another canard
   Posted: 4/26/2016 1:42:00 PM 
Robert, lol. Actually, you missed the more obvious one. While there will be some 2 backs sets, there were some last year, too, but he didn't like them. I don't know what they will look like this fall, but I'm sure they won't be a conservative I-formation set, or something like that. Instead they will more likely be pistol set variations, with some new plays. Whatever they are, therefore, won't meet his expectations.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Another canard
   Posted: 4/26/2016 3:21:13 PM 
L.C.--You keep saying that there were two back sets.

That is wrong. I don't think that we ever ended up with two running backs adjacent to the qb such that on a straight ahead handoff the qb could have handed the ball to either back. I've long stated that as my definition of a two back set. I think it's a reasonable definition.

Having two guys who are designated on the roster as running backs in for a play in which one is in a running back position while the other is essentially lined up as a slot receiver (that is, not in traditional position to take a handoff from the qb) is not a 'two back set.'


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  Message Not Read  RE: Another canard
   Posted: 4/26/2016 3:24:55 PM 
I love that you SFB are at back at it.

Keep buying hook line and sinker that there were running backs who were not ready when there was not a shred of evidence on the field (fouled up plays and such in greater volume than generally arise) to support same.

So, if hard evidence is totally lacking, then you must buy the rumor mill and/or believe that the coaches judgment is perfect.



Hey, would these be those same coaches then who can't recruit or coach up running backs such that after 1-2 years they know the playboook? That would be great coaching.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Another canard
   Posted: 4/26/2016 3:33:17 PM 
Let's talk great coaching in the tough, tough, tough, top competition conference that is the MAC:

2012 14-26, 27-52, 6-28

2013 7-49, 3-30, 0-49, 13-44, 20-37

2014 3-20, 14-44, 10-28, 13-31, 21-42

2015 14-49, 17-41, 24-62


That there is some coaching!
This staff has been together with little change for 11+ years!
It's a wonder that USC or OSU or Alabama hasn't poached this staff away from us!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Another canard
   Posted: 4/26/2016 6:28:11 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
L.C.--You keep saying that there were two back sets.

That is wrong. I don't think that we ever ended up with two running backs adjacent to the qb such that on a straight ahead handoff the qb could have handed the ball to either back. I've long stated that as my definition of a two back set. I think it's a reasonable definition.

Having two guys who are designated on the roster as running backs in for a play in which one is in a running back position while the other is essentially lined up as a slot receiver (that is, not in traditional position to take a handoff from the qb) is not a 'two back set.'



I don't know what the two back sets will look like in 2016, but I will be very surprised if they use a conservative set such as you are asking for. I'm hoping for something more advanced and versatile.


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