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Monroe Slavin
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RE: 2 back pistol offense

Posted: 4/22/2016 6:02:32 PM

How did Irons lead the team in YPC if he didn't possess certain knowledge?

Should Irons bust out, you SFB will not admit that he should have played a lot more previously.

Instead, you'll piously and reverently praise the coaches for holding him back until he came to possess the certain knowledge.

'cause when you're SFB, it's heads Solich is right and tails everyone else is wrong.

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RE: 2 back pistol offense

Posted: 4/22/2016 8:57:46 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

How did Irons lead the team in YPC if he didn't possess certain knowledge?...

He didn't. Actually Hardy did. But, as discussed many times, Irons had a had yards/carry number because he played mostly late in games, in clean-up time. His yards/carry were actually very low when he played against first team defenses. In fact, if I recall correctly, he was the lowest on the team.

That was then, this is now. What will he do this year? I expect him to earn a lot more playing time in 2016.

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RE: 2 back pistol offense

Posted: 4/23/2016 3:40:47 AM

He did.

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RE: 2 back pistol offense

Posted: 4/23/2016 5:25:19 PM

If you include junk-time carries, the highest average per carry was Bo Hardy, at 13.8/carry, over double Irons. If you include only carries during prime time, against first team defenses, Irons averaged 4.1/carry, under Daz at 4.7/carry and AJ at 4.6/carry.

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Monroe Slavin
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RE: 2 back pistol offense

Posted: 4/24/2016 3:12:28 AM

You go with Bo and his five carries if you will.

And blame Irons for playing against what you identify as non-prime time...as if that was his choice.

Then he must have played with our less than prime time offense.

Else why would we have our prime O in against others non-prime D?

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RE: 2 back pistol offense

Posted: 4/24/2016 8:53:33 AM

How much would Daz or AJ have averaged against the other teams' scrubs and/or worn down defenses? There is no way to know. I'm just comparing apples to apples. How did the backs compare in similar circumstances, with the first team offense, against the other teams' first team defenses? That is, after all, what matters. That's how you win games. You win games by getting yards when it counts, by getting yards against their best defense, when games are close.

Coaches are going to put more weight on how runners grade out when games are on the line. To a coach the difference between a 2 yard run and a 4 yard run on a competitive drive is huge. By contrast a fan is going to put more weight on a showy, but meaningless run late in a game against a tired or 3d string defense, in a situation where the run has no impact on the outcome of a game. Why? Because fans like "style points", whereas a coach is focused on the things that win games.

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RE: 2 back pistol offense

Posted: 4/24/2016 9:29:11 AM

L.C. wrote:

This has been discussed before. 2012 Hammonds 7.2 per vs Beau's 5.1. 2013 Daz 5.6 per vs Beau's 4.5. When you do the heavy lifting the average goes down. The truth just does not fit the agenda for some.

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Monroe Slavin
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RE: 2 back pistol offense

Posted: 4/29/2016 12:47:00 PM

The dumbth continues. About this idea of certain players, espec at running back, not seeing the field because they don't know the play book:

Please state specifically which players in all of football (college, pro) that we've heard that about over the years?

I'll bet it's very very few.

Because it's just some fairy tale excuse that you SFB will buy out of reverence for this alleged coaching staff.

If a guys got the talent, he plays.

Manziel would've played despite widespread recognition that he didn't know the playbook. He didn't play because he's got serious behavioral/discipline issues, not because of playbook problems. Anyway, the Browns have been a one-off.

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RE: 2 back pistol offense

Posted: 4/29/2016 10:24:29 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Uh just looking at the Browns, Terrance West and Isiah Crowell their rookie years come to mind, just to name a few. And West also had fumble issues.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: 2 back pistol offense

Posted: 4/30/2016 1:27:19 PM

A quick google search reveals Crowell no issues with the Browns and West criticized for practice habits but not lack of knowledge of the playbook.

So, again, not knowing the playbook seems to be basically unheard of and, so, not likely anything to do with any OHIO player...merely more silliness put up by the SFB to maintain their reverent view that our coaches are infallible.

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RE: 2 back pistol offense

Posted: 4/30/2016 3:08:09 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

So, again, not knowing the playbook seems to be basically unheard of and, so, not likely anything to do with any OHIO player...merely more silliness put up by the SFB to maintain their reverent view that our coaches are infallible.

Those silly teammates of his - saying how he just needed to better grasp the game - such kidders.

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RE: 2 back pistol offense

Posted: 5/1/2016 3:38:39 AM

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