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I never understand the way you concentrate on obscure details in a way that causes you to miss the big picture. ohiobobcats.com shows that we had 23 sacks last year in a 13 game season. In an era of a ton of passing, we had less than 1.8 sacks per game. In a game and an era in which qb pressure is the most important facet of the game. We are so average to mediocre in a really weak conference and you're satisfied. Unfathomable. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,067 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/14/2016 12:27:00 AM  Actually, Monroe, it's me that is focused on the big picture. The defensive stat that matters is whether they are keeping the other team from scoring. You prefer 2013 when they got more sacks, but gave up more points, and to me, that is illogical. 2013 - 36 sacks (2d), gave up 27.5 points/game (6th) 2014 - 25 sacks (5th), gave up 24.8 points/game (2d) 2015 - 23 sacks (7th), gave up 25.3 points/game (4th) By my way of thinking, 2013 is the worst of these. My goal for this year is for the defense to be closer in 2016 to allowing only 20 points per game. If they can do that, I'll be happy, even if they only have 15 sacks. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/14/2016 3:04:57 AM  Those stats make some sense, L.C. Certainly, I'd take a low scoring D over a pure # of sacks. I'm a scoreboard (ugh..3-4 four ugly losses per year lately) guy. But there's also the lack of dynamic play from our linemen. Don't much seem them make big plays at crucial moments. For example, in last year's bowl game, Appy state was stated to have an under-sized O-line. And, as I recall, one or two of their O-line starters were out. Our D-line dominated early. We were woofing...well, one guy was. At the end of the game (4th quarter) our d-line was not making any plays. (The woofer was injury sidelined.) Our D-line play has been so unremarkable for so very long. When was the lat time that we had any All-MAC d-linemen? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/14/2016 3:13:52 AM  2015 season points given up / sacks achieved. Akron 279 / 33 Ball 420 / 17 BG 405 / 30 Buff 331 / 22 CMU 280 / 14 EMU 505 / 18 kents 313 / 32 miami 384 / 30 NIU 387 / 27 OHIO 329 / 23 Toledo 249 / 26 UMass 377 / 15 WMU 368 / 15 Nothing stark here. Generally, the teams which gave up a lot of points (say 368 or above) had less sacks than those that gave up few (say 331 or below) points. Of course, the goal is to give up the least points. If you get zero sacks and do that, then who cares about the lack of sacks. Generally, though, I'll take a team which emphasizes sacks...or, at least, can dial up the heat in key moments. I'd like to see stats on sacks and hurries achieved on key drives. Probably no way to do this analysis. But I'll bet that teams that can bring the pressure are markedly...Denver Super Bowl..better than those that can't. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,067 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/14/2016 1:01:49 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: ...Nothing stark here. Generally, the teams which gave up a lot of points (say 368 or above) had less sacks than those that gave up few (say 331 or below) points. ... And yet, if you plot those on a graph, the correlation is not as obvious as you might expect. Yes, there are points like EMU, with only 18 sacks and 505 points given up, or Akron, with only 279 points given up, and 33 sacks, but there are also plenty of points that don't fit. Consider CMU, with only 14 sacks, but only 280 points given up, or BG and Miami, both of whom had 30 sacks, but gave up 405 and 384 points respectively. I do expect the sack count to go up this season, and the points given up to go down, and for a several reasons: 1. First, there is an amazing amount of quality depth on the line. That will enable a lot of rotation, meaning fresh legs at all times. 2. Similarly, it appears there will be better depth at linebacker, also meaning fresher legs. 3. The front seven has more experience, meaning they can do more complicated stunts, including looping, zone blitzes, and the like. 4. Coach Williams has done a great job of recruiting and player development. We are now reaching the point at which players he recruited are upperclassmen. His first class included Porter, Aloese, Basham, and Sayles. I think we'll see some All-MAC players from that group, and from the groups that followed. 5. This is the third year with the Cover-4. Each year they use it they learn new things about it's strengths and weaknesses, and they fine tune it. I expect more improvement this year. 6. With a relatively experienced front 7, and a relatively inexperienced backfield, I expect they will bring more heat from the guys up front to take pressure off the backs. Last year it was the reverse - they had experience at DB, and youth up front, so they used less pressure, and relied more on the DBs. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/14/2016 2:04:13 PM  L.C. wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: ...Nothing stark here. Generally, the teams which gave up a lot of points (say 368 or above) had less sacks than those that gave up few (say 331 or below) points. ... And yet, if you plot those on a graph, the correlation is not as obvious as you might expect. Yes, there are points like EMU, with only 18 sacks and 505 points given up, or Akron, with only 279 points given up, and 33 sacks, but there are also plenty of points that don't fit. Consider CMU, with only 14 sacks, but only 280 points given up, or BG and Miami, both of whom had 30 sacks, but gave up 405 and 384 points respectively. I do expect the sack count to go up this season, and the points given up to go down, and for a several reasons: 1. First, there is an amazing amount of quality depth on the line. That will enable a lot of rotation, meaning fresh legs at all times. 2. Similarly, it appears there will be better depth at linebacker, also meaning fresher legs. 3. The front seven has more experience, meaning they can do more complicated stunts, including looping, zone blitzes, and the like. 4. Coach Williams has done a great job of recruiting and player development. We are now reaching the point at which players he recruited are upperclassmen. His first class included Porter, Aloese, Basham, and Sayles. I think we'll see some All-MAC players from that group, and from the groups that followed. 5. This is the third year with the Cover-4. Each year they use it they learn new things about it's strengths and weaknesses, and they fine tune it. I expect more improvement this year. 6. With a relatively experienced front 7, and a relatively inexperienced backfield, I expect they will bring more heat from the guys up front to take pressure off the backs. Last year it was the reverse - they had experience at DB, and youth up front, so they used less pressure, and relied more on the DBs. Rotation of players keeps any individual from leading the MAC in statistical categories. This needs to be understood and team stats will be the real indication of success. There might not be All MAC recognition, but, we will see who has a top total defense. Last Edited: 4/14/2016 2:05:10 PM by Bcat2 "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,067 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/14/2016 3:07:16 PM  Ohio is going to have a great defense this year. Of that I have no doubt. I think that the offense will start a little rough, and as the new linemen settle in, will come around and it will be a pretty good offense. Having a defense that keeps giving them the ball back will help, too. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/16/2016 4:22:37 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: Were you impressed with our pass rush strength and scheme last year...or the prior years? Is this staff prone to use the d-line to contain (as opposed to using it to make plays)? Is this coaching staff noted for its ability to adapt (with the one exception of changing to a more passing oriented attack after the one bowl blow out)? The same people who blast me for pasting the same thing over and over again...albeit the facts/game results prove me right, though they won't admit it...can't see that our coaching staff is incapable of change. Optimist--I'm serious here with the 3 above questions. What's your take on each? Now, I begin to bring the unique and cogent insight that you love, respect and acknowledge me for. See, no matter how beloved L.C. may be of our front seven on defense and talent at other positions, he fails to account for the absolute conservative and non-innovative approach of the truly mediocre, average coaching at OHIO. If we're so loaded at D-line, will we ever go to 5 or 6 down lineman (at least occasionally)-- a tactic that is likely to give us advantage..key advantage if used at key moments..by presenting something that our opponents haven't seen from us and by putting more of our talent on the field? Same thing with going with two back sets--not expected from us and using more of the best part of our talent? Will we ever use the true hurry-up offense? Will we ever do anything in our two-minute drills at end of first half except extreme conservative from paralysis fear of a turnover? Again...because I've said these and many other slightly innovative things over and over again--and none of the SFB coaching staff lovers ever refute them...are we ever going to be slightly innovative? Are we ever going to engage in focus on the mental part of the game? Are we ever going to infuse our players with spirit by way of knowing that their coaching is superior (NBA: see Popovich, Kerr/Walton, Stevens)? Or will we continue to have a team that's unable to rise to the moment? A team that has no particular spirit. Boom. Slam. I'm sorry to keep conclusively shutting you SFB down. But it's your own fault for being so stuck on reverence for the staff, so unwilling to analyze objectively. It's not my fault that you only see and endorse what this coaching staff does with no ability at all to consider other information. Last Edited: 4/16/2016 4:31:00 AM by Monroe Slavin Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/16/2016 4:27:41 AM  Ah, heck. May I be the first to lay off discouraging results in this coming season to injuries, thereby absolving the coaching staff or any responsibility?! You'll be there all week...er, season. I'm sorry. But my time and knowledge and insight have value. Given the constraints on my time, I've got to receive value for the service that I'm providing here. To give you all notice, I won't start this until June 1: I'll be charging $.05 to each of you for each of my posts. (I will understand if you want to pay a higher rate.) Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/17/2016 10:43:47 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: Were you impressed with our pass rush strength and scheme last year...or the prior years? Is this staff prone to use the d-line to contain (as opposed to using it to make plays)? Is this coaching staff noted for its ability to adapt (with the one exception of changing to a more passing oriented attack after the one bowl blow out)? The same people who blast me for pasting the same thing over and over again...albeit the facts/game results prove me right, though they won't admit it...can't see that our coaching staff is incapable of change. Optimist--I'm serious here with the 3 above questions. What's your take on each? Now, I begin to bring the unique and cogent insight that you love, respect and acknowledge me for. See, no matter how beloved L.C. may be of our front seven on defense and talent at other positions, he fails to account for the absolute conservative and non-innovative approach of the truly mediocre, average coaching at OHIO. If we're so loaded at D-line, will we ever go to 5 or 6 down lineman (at least occasionally)-- a tactic that is likely to give us advantage..key advantage if used at key moments..by presenting something that our opponents haven't seen from us and by putting more of our talent on the field? Same thing with going with two back sets--not expected from us and using more of the best part of our talent? Will we ever use the true hurry-up offense? Will we ever do anything in our two-minute drills at end of first half except extreme conservative from paralysis fear of a turnover? Again...because I've said these and many other slightly innovative things over and over again--and none of the SFB coaching staff lovers ever refute them...are we ever going to be slightly innovative? Are we ever going to engage in focus on the mental part of the game? Are we ever going to infuse our players with spirit by way of knowing that their coaching is superior (NBA: see Popovich, Kerr/Walton, Stevens)? Or will we continue to have a team that's unable to rise to the moment? A team that has no particular spirit. Boom. Slam. I'm sorry to keep conclusively shutting you SFB down. But it's your own fault for being so stuck on reverence for the staff, so unwilling to analyze objectively. It's not my fault that you only see and endorse what this coaching staff does with no ability at all to consider other information. You can go over and post drool on the argue-with-monroe thread. Or you can...as usual, as expected...ignore the pretty good, reasonable thoughts above. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/25/2016 3:45:02 PM  If we're so loaded at D-line, will we ever go to 5 or 6 down lineman (at least occasionally)-- a tactic that is likely to give us advantage..key advantage if used at key moments..by presenting something that our opponents haven't seen from us and by putting more of our talent on the field? Same thing with going with two back sets--not expected from us and using more of the best part of our talent? Will we ever use the true hurry-up offense? Will we ever do anything in our two-minute drills at end of first half except extreme conservative from paralysis fear of a turnover? Crickets from the SFB side....No answer for the questions. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,039 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/25/2016 6:48:39 PM  Yeah SFB side. How about going with 8 or even 9 down linemen. Surely, this is something the oppo will not expect. #dotheunexpectedtoappeasecalicpa Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,306 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/26/2016 2:08:20 PM  I think we should we should just play to our strengths! Use 11 running backs and 11 defensive backs! Unstoppable! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/26/2016 3:16:53 PM  I love it! When you can't respond reasonably to legitimate questions, you go bo-zo! Very good call by the usual clownages! I thank you for your inability to distinguish the subtle from the cloying, from the grossly exaggerated. No one would have expected any less. Yes, when it comes to less, you are the men! Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/26/2016 3:27:17 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: Use 11 running backs and 11 defensive backs! Unstoppable! You joke....but I remember playing a team in youth league (9- and 10-year olds) when I was a kid...I don't know if the coach watched too much NFL in the run-and-shoot days, but his defense featured 3 down linemen and 8 defensive backs. Again, this was youth league, when basically every play was an off tackle iso/power run. It did not go well for that defensive coordinator that day. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,039 Status: Offline     RE: Spring Game    Posted: 4/26/2016 6:01:59 PM  Monroe Slavin - in a one-person race to 8,000 pointless posts. And to think he'll reach this milestone before the rest of BA posters combined. 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