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El Gato Roberto
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   Posted: 11/15/2015 7:04:17 PM 
I'm only responding to say that I have no response. I am done with this thread.

Go Cats! Beat Ball State!

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   Posted: 11/15/2015 8:38:24 PM 
allen wrote:
it is unbelievable that grown men and women get upset when people tell the truth. We can be a Boise, we can be top 40 and Toledo and Northern are top 40 programs. I am only saying what the coaches and players say and think. Their goal is to win the MAC every year, they don't say lets go 6-6 and 7-5 and go to a bowl game. It's you mediocre people that do that, then to say you are tired of it. Grow up, face facts, we need to get better. We should not lose to anybody in the MAC by three touchdowns. Stop with the moral victories and the we beat Marshall and they won 9 games. That's the bull crap if there is any.


Ohio had votes in the polls every year from 2009-2013. When you are in the votes receiving category regularly it makes you a Top 40 program. The only Solich team ever to average more than 30 ppg was in 2011 his best year. Bobcats were 30th in the country in scoring that year. This year 2011's performance would only be good enough for 50th in the country. Last year the Bobcats averaged 19 ppg in Solich's 10th season. The offense is the doughnut hole of the program and the blowouts wouldn't be happening if the team could move the ball.

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   Posted: 11/15/2015 8:50:59 PM 
allen wrote:
it is unbelievable that grown men and women get upset when people tell the truth. We can be a Boise, we can be top 40 and Toledo and Northern are top 40 programs. I am only saying what the coaches and players say and think. Their goal is to win the MAC every year, they don't say lets go 6-6 and 7-5 and go to a bowl game. ...

Yes, and we've covered that. There are cycles that occur when you have a particularly strong class.
Cycle 1: Solich came in and found a very solid class, who were Juniors in 2005. That class led to a very good year in 2006, but then there was a rebuilding period in 2007-2008, during which Ohio was 10-14.
Cycle 2: The big recruiting class of 2005 led to a strong teams in 2009-10, and since the classes continued to be good to about 2008, the teams were strong until 2012, and should have been strong in 2013 as well, but injuries and other issues took a toll. With the combination of excessive injuries and the particularly weak class of 2010, bookended by moderately weak classes in 2009 and 2011, led to another rebuilding cycle. There were different recruiting coordinators in 2009, 2010, and 2011, and I'm sure that had a lot to do with it.
Cycle 3: The recruiting classes of 2013-2015 were all very strong. This will lead to another up wave, peaking in about 2018-19.

The problem is that most fans look at the present, not the future, and they see symptoms caused by problems years earlier, with no real knowledge of whether those problems have been fixed or not. The comparison Old Man made to Nebraska in 1967-68 is apt, even if it is not clear how. Here is how it correlates:

In the early 60's Nebraska was coached by a guy named Bill Jennings that was an outstanding recruiter, but not a very good coach. He didn't win, but when his replacement, Bob Devaney, came in, he found numerous NFL caliber players on the roster. The team immediately started winning, but Devaney didn't recruit very well at first. As a result, four years later, the teams were worse. However, the Devaney continued to try to improve recruiting, and by 1964-65 he was recruiting much better. By the time that the fans saw the problem, in 1967-68, the problem has already been solved. Fans wanted Devaney fired because of a problem that had been seen, and solved, because that was when they saw the problem. The Athletic Director, however, was wise enough to see that the problem had already been solved, so he allowed things to run it's course.

If you go back and look at recruiting classes like 2005 and 2007, you'll notice that virtually everyone recruited in those years ended up playing. Now, if you look at 2010 and 2011 you will find a number or players who never played. That creates a problem 4-5 years later. That isn't rocket science. It's just how it works. Now, look at the recruiting classes of 2013, but particularly 2014 and 2015. Are these significantly better? If so, then the problem has been solved.

Last Edited: 11/15/2015 8:52:56 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 11/15/2015 8:55:56 PM 
Uncle Wes, we are close, but far. We need a next level QB and an imaginative play-calling and we will be there. Vick was pretty good, I think we can get better. We are settlers, we settle for 3-4 yards on first down instead of putting our foot on the defenses throat. Ohio between 2009-11 was 50-60 plays on either side of the ball from being a top 40 program. Next year, we will need better DT's, safeties and QB play to get there. For all those who are just burning inside, this is just an observation based on this years performance. What will the coaches do? Will they make the adjustments? If they don't, we could be in for our first losing season in a long while, we will not have the cupcakes at home next year in Miami, Akron and Kent. I like the safeties we brought in this year, the DT's and QB's I am not sure about. I know one thing there needs to be an open competition for these positions along with others, and there also needs to be a next man up philosophy.

Last Edited: 11/15/2015 9:01:09 PM by allen

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   Posted: 11/15/2015 8:59:25 PM 
LC, where is the QB in 2013-15. Recruiting is to sustain you not rebuild. You can't be good every four years. Northern Illinois lost everybody look where they are. Excuses, excuses, excuses, don't get us MACC titles or a great program. Let's go Cats!

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   Posted: 11/15/2015 9:07:30 PM 
One of Frank's first years, I can't remember which year. He said after the season the team was going to work on getting turnovers and limiting explosive plays over 20 yards, and we came out the next year and executed it the first 8-9 games, it was a thing of beauty, they have to get that laser focus back and sustain over the whole year. I also want to restate they need to hire a guy specifically to recruit QB's because from what I have seen, they have no business recruiting QB's. We have not had a MAC top 5 QB yet, while we have had three or four receivers go to the league.

Last Edited: 11/15/2015 9:19:17 PM by allen

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  Message Not Read  RE: The Solich Question
   Posted: 11/15/2015 10:44:22 PM 
L.C. wrote:
allen wrote:
it is unbelievable that grown men and women get upset when people tell the truth. We can be a Boise, we can be top 40 and Toledo and Northern are top 40 programs. I am only saying what the coaches and players say and think. Their goal is to win the MAC every year, they don't say lets go 6-6 and 7-5 and go to a bowl game. ...

Yes, and we've covered that. There are cycles that occur when you have a particularly strong class.
Cycle 1: Solich came in and found a very solid class, who were Juniors in 2005. That class led to a very good year in 2006, but then there was a rebuilding period in 2007-2008, during which Ohio was 10-14.
Cycle 2: The big recruiting class of 2005 led to a strong teams in 2009-10, and since the classes continued to be good to about 2008, the teams were strong until 2012, and should have been strong in 2013 as well, but injuries and other issues took a toll. With the combination of excessive injuries and the particularly weak class of 2010, bookended by moderately weak classes in 2009 and 2011, led to another rebuilding cycle. There were different recruiting coordinators in 2009, 2010, and 2011, and I'm sure that had a lot to do with it.
Cycle 3: The recruiting classes of 2013-2015 were all very strong. This will lead to another up wave, peaking in about 2018-19.

The problem is that most fans look at the present, not the future, and they see symptoms caused by problems years earlier, with no real knowledge of whether those problems have been fixed or not. The comparison Old Man made to Nebraska in 1967-68 is apt, even if it is not clear how. Here is how it correlates:

In the early 60's Nebraska was coached by a guy named Bill Jennings that was an outstanding recruiter, but not a very good coach. He didn't win, but when his replacement, Bob Devaney, came in, he found numerous NFL caliber players on the roster. The team immediately started winning, but Devaney didn't recruit very well at first. As a result, four years later, the teams were worse. However, the Devaney continued to try to improve recruiting, and by 1964-65 he was recruiting much better. By the time that the fans saw the problem, in 1967-68, the problem has already been solved. Fans wanted Devaney fired because of a problem that had been seen, and solved, because that was when they saw the problem. The Athletic Director, however, was wise enough to see that the problem had already been solved, so he allowed things to run it's course.

If you go back and look at recruiting classes like 2005 and 2007, you'll notice that virtually everyone recruited in those years ended up playing. Now, if you look at 2010 and 2011 you will find a number or players who never played. That creates a problem 4-5 years later. That isn't rocket science. It's just how it works. Now, look at the recruiting classes of 2013, but particularly 2014 and 2015. Are these significantly better? If so, then the problem has been solved.



Except it isn't showing on the field. wmu, beefs, bg





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   Posted: 11/16/2015 12:31:20 AM 
allen wrote:
Uncle Wes, we are close, but far. We need a next level QB and an imaginative play-calling and we will be there. Vick was pretty good, I think we can get better. We are settlers, we settle for 3-4 yards on first down instead of putting our foot on the defenses throat. Ohio between 2009-11 was 50-60 plays on either side of the ball from being a top 40 program. Next year, we will need better DT's, safeties and QB play to get there. For all those who are just burning inside, this is just an observation based on this years performance. What will the coaches do? Will they make the adjustments? If they don't, we could be in for our first losing season in a long while, we will not have the cupcakes at home next year in Miami, Akron and Kent. I like the safeties we brought in this year, the DT's and QB's I am not sure about. I know one thing there needs to be an open competition for these positions along with others, and there also needs to be a next man up philosophy.


Top 40 is poll related. Its not how much ppg or how many plays you run. That said to be a Top 40 program these days a program better put up 35ppg. I'd say Ohio is far from the Top 40 level at this time nor is the staff on the way there. Texas State and Kansas look the part of two automatic wins next year. We may have an easy MAC schedule. Akron will be in Peden. The question is will JD Sprague be enough at QB? Will it matter with the large stable of quality RBs if Ohio doesn't have exceptional QB play? Expect little change from Solich and staff in philosophy and results. That is why a new coach is ultimately needed.

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   Posted: 11/16/2015 12:33:17 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Except it isn't showing on the field. wmu, beefs, bg

Would you agree that this year's team is significantly better than last year's team? No, it isn't as good as 2009, or 2011, but until all the injuries hit, it wasn't that far away. Next year will be better, and in my opinion, will be comparable to 2011, or better.

allen wrote:
... Next year, we will need better DT's, safeties and QB play to get there. For all those who are just burning inside, this is just an observation based on this years performance. ...

Porter and Aloese have been playing well this year, in reserve. I think they will do fine next year. As you said, they brought in a lot of good Safeties, so really, defensively I have no concerns for next year.

On offense, QB is more of a mystery, but if the O-line plays well, whoever is QB will look good, so to me, that makes the O-line the mystery. There are a large number of offensive linemen that will be Juniors or Redshirt-Sophomores next year, and I think they have the potential to be very good in time, but, will they be ready next year? I think they will be fine, but time will tell.

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   Posted: 11/16/2015 12:45:23 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
L.C. wrote:
allen wrote:
it is unbelievable that grown men and women get upset when people tell the truth. We can be a Boise, we can be top 40 and Toledo and Northern are top 40 programs. I am only saying what the coaches and players say and think. Their goal is to win the MAC every year, they don't say lets go 6-6 and 7-5 and go to a bowl game. ...

Yes, and we've covered that. There are cycles that occur when you have a particularly strong class.
Cycle 1: Solich came in and found a very solid class, who were Juniors in 2005. That class led to a very good year in 2006, but then there was a rebuilding period in 2007-2008, during which Ohio was 10-14.
Cycle 2: The big recruiting class of 2005 led to a strong teams in 2009-10, and since the classes continued to be good to about 2008, the teams were strong until 2012, and should have been strong in 2013 as well, but injuries and other issues took a toll. With the combination of excessive injuries and the particularly weak class of 2010, bookended by moderately weak classes in 2009 and 2011, led to another rebuilding cycle. There were different recruiting coordinators in 2009, 2010, and 2011, and I'm sure that had a lot to do with it.
Cycle 3: The recruiting classes of 2013-2015 were all very strong. This will lead to another up wave, peaking in about 2018-19.

The problem is that most fans look at the present, not the future, and they see symptoms caused by problems years earlier, with no real knowledge of whether those problems have been fixed or not. The comparison Old Man made to Nebraska in 1967-68 is apt, even if it is not clear how. Here is how it correlates:

In the early 60's Nebraska was coached by a guy named Bill Jennings that was an outstanding recruiter, but not a very good coach. He didn't win, but when his replacement, Bob Devaney, came in, he found numerous NFL caliber players on the roster. The team immediately started winning, but Devaney didn't recruit very well at first. As a result, four years later, the teams were worse. However, the Devaney continued to try to improve recruiting, and by 1964-65 he was recruiting much better. By the time that the fans saw the problem, in 1967-68, the problem has already been solved. Fans wanted Devaney fired because of a problem that had been seen, and solved, because that was when they saw the problem. The Athletic Director, however, was wise enough to see that the problem had already been solved, so he allowed things to run it's course.

If you go back and look at recruiting classes like 2005 and 2007, you'll notice that virtually everyone recruited in those years ended up playing. Now, if you look at 2010 and 2011 you will find a number or players who never played. That creates a problem 4-5 years later. That isn't rocket science. It's just how it works. Now, look at the recruiting classes of 2013, but particularly 2014 and 2015. Are these significantly better? If so, then the problem has been solved.

Except it isn't showing on the field. wmu, beefs, bg


This goes back to excuses. Frank is on the press conference saying he can do more 1 on 1's this year because of greater talent than the last. Who's fault is it Ohio didn't have talent the previous year? That is Frank's fault. Trying to excuse a coaches woes on poor talent when it was the said coach who recruited those players is the same as pointing the finger at yourself in the mirror. Frank then says during the losing streak the players didn't execute and its time to get back to playing football the way it should be played. Frank you are the coach. That is your job to make sure the players are ready to execute.

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   Posted: 11/16/2015 12:49:19 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
Texas State and Kansas look the part of two automatic wins next year.


Really?! I love the optimism, but I'm not sold we're a guaranteed winner over anyone. Especially a Big XII team, albeit the worst one, but one that nearly beat TCU on the road last week.

Uncle Wes wrote:

The question is will JD Sprague be enough at QB?


Easy answer. No. A resounding no. If he starts, book a 5-7, 6-6 season at best. He's awful. Period.

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   Posted: 11/16/2015 12:59:22 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Except it isn't showing on the field. wmu, beefs, bg

Would you agree that this year's team is significantly better than last year's team? No, it isn't as good as 2009, or 2011, but until all the injuries hit, it wasn't that far away. Next year will be better, and in my opinion, will be comparable to 2011, or better.


Is JD Sprague better than Vick? How can the team be better next year going from a grade B to a grade C quarterback? Duckworth isn't on the 3 deep this year and that says enough. Krizancic is a converted WR. Maxwell? With all the RB's another bowl, sure. BG and Buffalo lose senior QBs. Ohio could win the East without anything special about the team.

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   Posted: 11/16/2015 1:04:08 AM 
Krizancic put up big numbers at Mentor as a QB. Went to Minny on position change as WR, but transferred to Ohio to play QB.

He's got good size. I think he could be best option next year.

I've seen enough of Sprague to know I've seen enough.

And BG might lose Johnson, but they still have Knapke who lit up people two years ago. They'll still be loaded (assuming Babers stays)

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   Posted: 11/16/2015 2:26:15 AM 
Would I agree that this year's team is better than last year's team?

I find the question 1) insulting and 2) representative of a mind which apparently is stuck on comparing two levels of utter mediocrity with no ability to comprehend that mediocrity and it's irrelevance to reasonable aspirations.

In business if someone performed similar to last year and this year and was making a case to keep their contract, I'd not be happy. First, at the absolute level of performance in key moments/games and second at the utter failure to appreciate reasonable performance standards. Don't try to tell me stinky leftovers from weeks ago is a holiday feast.



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   Posted: 11/16/2015 3:58:06 AM 
We have gave up so many rushing yards, we either need tackles or linebackers. Poling, Johnson and Brown are pretty good. You pick the problem, I have seen our line get massacred. Not saying Porter and Aloese are not good guys, maybe we need to upgrade.

Monroe, you pull no punches.

Last Edited: 11/16/2015 4:00:22 AM by allen

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   Posted: 11/16/2015 9:26:33 AM 
Hey, you know what would be awesome? More comparisons between college football and the business world.
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   Posted: 11/16/2015 9:41:05 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
Krizancic put up big numbers at Mentor as a QB. Went to Minny on position change as WR, but transferred to Ohio to play QB.

He's got good size. I think he could be best option next year.

I've seen enough of Sprague to know I've seen enough.

And BG might lose Johnson, but they still have Knapke who lit up people two years ago. They'll still be loaded (assuming Babers stays)


I think Krizancic will be the man....Windham and Sprague are capable....Duckworth seems to have fallen off the page....as I was cruzing in the Solich Soarer last week I noticed the X factor at QB in
Maxwell...have heard good things...he is listed at 6'3"....he was standing next to OL Pleasants who is listed at 6'7"...Maxwell has to be 6'4" or 6'5"....no Solich Soarer this week...might get shot down.
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   Posted: 11/16/2015 9:58:35 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
... Who's fault is it Ohio didn't have talent the previous year? That is Frank's fault. ...

I didn't say it wasn't his fault. In fact I specifically said it WAS his fault. I also said, however, that long before the fans saw the problem reflected on the field, Solich was had seen it, addressed it, and fixed it.

A good coach can coach up players a certain amount, but the product on the field will also reflect the quality of the input, albeit with about a 4 year delay. That leads to the next question: How do you feel that the recruiting classes of 2013-2015 compare to 2010, and how do they compare with 2007-2008?

If you believe that the recruiting classes of 2013-2015 were like the class of 2010, then it follows that you should expect the future to be no better than 2014. If you think that the classes of 2013-2015 were better than 2007-2008, then it also follows that you should believe that the future will be better than 2009-2012.

Uncle Wes wrote:
Is JD Sprague better than Vick? How can the team be better next year going from a grade B to a grade C quarterback? Duckworth isn't on the 3 deep this year and that says enough. Krizancic is a converted WR. Maxwell? With all the RB's another bowl, sure. BG and Buffalo lose senior QBs. Ohio could win the East without anything special about the team.

The quarterback is only one position on the team. I agree that it's a question mark, however I'm more confident than most that it's a problem that they can solve.

allen wrote:
We have gave up so many rushing yards, we either need tackles or linebackers. Poling, Johnson and Brown are pretty good. You pick the problem, I have seen our line get massacred. Not saying Porter and Aloese are not good guys, maybe we need to upgrade...

Ohio really only gave up rushing yards when Brown, Johnson, Poling, and Moore were hurt. The second string linebackers were gashed for huge gains. My pick for the problem is the linebacker position, particularly the depth, and the Cover-4 defensive scheme.

Increasingly I am having questions about the wisdom of the Cover-4 defensive scheme, particularly as an every-down defense. It has a couple advantages. It stops a lot of plays for no gain, and it is an exciting defense that it it attractive to recruits. On the other hand, when a run gets by the linebackers, or a receiver gets behind the cornerback, the safety is not in position to stop it, since he has other active duties. Thus, with the Cover-4 you also give up some huge runs, and some huge passes.

I guess you have to pick your poison. With the Cover-2 you get slowly gashed with 3-10 yard gains, and hope that the offense makes a mistake (incompletion, turnover, penalty) before completing the drive. With the Cover-4 you either effectively stop them, or you give up huge gains. With the Cover-4 you get more shutouts, but you also have more games where you give up huge numbers.

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   Posted: 11/16/2015 11:02:27 AM 
To depersonalize the issue, let's look instead at Chuck Martin, at Miami. His coaching record is awful. He was 2-10 his first year, and he is currently 2-9 this year with a game left with U.Mass for last place. On the other hand, his recruiting has been excellent, near the top of the MAC both years. Should he be fired? Or, are his current teams simply reflecting the results of poor recruiting under Treadwell, with things likely to improve in the next couple years?

My answer is that he's certainly a great recruiter, and with the quality of kids that he is bringing in, Miami is sure to improve in the years ahead. On the other hand, if he were great at coaching kids up, he'd be able to muster at least decent teams (like Ohio 2007-2008, or Ohio 2014-2015) even with lesser recruiting years.

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   Posted: 11/16/2015 11:12:56 AM 
I was talking to a friend of mine about the Solich issue.
He suggested I take a look at the Rutgers fan board on Rivals(he's a huge R.U.fan),so I did.

Its amazing the "Sameness" between the threads and the posts.

One thread is about the coach's record against teams with winning records.

Another about the quality of their Q.B. and playing his back-up.

Numerous posts about play calling.

How to handle a buy-out, if R.U. does fire the coach.

There are also a number of threads talking about how R.U.,at its best under Schiano,could never even win the Big East in football.

Of course they have it worse knowing they have no shot of winning even their division in the B1G for the next few decades.




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   Posted: 11/16/2015 11:25:59 AM 
L.C. wrote:
To depersonalize the issue, let's look instead at Chuck Martin, at Miami. His coaching record is awful. He was 2-10 his first year, and he is currently 2-9 this year with a game left with U.Mass for last place. On the other hand, his recruiting has been excellent, near the top of the MAC both years. Should he be fired? Or, are his current teams simply reflecting the results of poor recruiting under Treadwell, with things likely to improve in the next couple years?

My answer is that he's certainly a great recruiter, and with the quality of kids that he is bringing in, Miami is sure to improve in the years ahead. On the other hand, if he were great at coaching kids up, he'd be able to muster at least decent teams (like Ohio 2007-2008, or Ohio 2014-2015) even with lesser recruiting years.


Sorry...bad comparison. Miami was not competing for MACC five years ago like Ohio was (2006, 2009, 2011 in a six-year span).

Miami had a blip on the radar in 2010 and won the MAC East and went 10-4. That was the only time in a decade they had a winning record (in fact, it was the only time they won more than six games....take out that 10-4 mark, they have been 23-85 during that stretch)

Miami was not used to competing for MACC in recent years.

Ohio had been a contender to win the East pretty regularly from 2006-2012....but since that 2012 season we have not been a real factor in the east...getting blasted by any team with a pulse in the MAC.

That's the problem. Ohio is in decline....a recession....they are on a downhill path.

Miami....been bad...still bad....with hopes that Chuck Martin can drag them out of this. He'll get one or two more years to prove his worth.

Frank has had 10+ to prove he can take us to a championship level....and we're not inching closer....were falling further and further behind.

Not the path you want to be on.

Last Edited: 11/16/2015 11:26:29 AM by bshot44
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   Posted: 11/16/2015 11:52:33 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
I was talking to a friend of mine about the Solich issue.
He suggested I take a look at the Rutgers fan board on Rivals(he's a huge R.U.fan),so I did.

Its amazing the "Sameness" between the threads and the posts.

One thread is about the coach's record against teams with winning records.

Another about the quality of their Q.B. and playing his back-up.

Numerous posts about play calling.

How to handle a buy-out, if R.U. does fire the coach.

There are also a number of threads talking about how R.U.,at its best under Schiano,could never even win the Big East in football.

Of course they have it worse knowing they have no shot of winning even their division in the B1G for the next few decades.






You're bound to see this on any message board that has a coach who hasn't performed well. Not many have a coach that have been there for 10 years or more.

I can almost guarantee you without looking that before Virginia Tech found out Frank Beamer was retiring you saw this same stuff. VaTech is the better comparison even though Beamer has won ACC titles. They were almost penciled in to win 10+ games a year for a decade and then some, and have regressed over the past four years.

Do we think those people on their board weren't justifiably upset that the program had fallen behind FSU, Clemson, and even Duke in the ACC? And Beamer has accomplished way more than Frank, depending on how you look at it.

Unfortunately it's just the nature of the beast in college football. Do I like it? No. It's just the way it is.

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   Posted: 11/16/2015 11:57:31 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:


Unfortunately it's just the nature of the beast in college football. Do I like it? No. It's just the way it is.



+1

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   Posted: 11/16/2015 1:46:51 PM 
I am a Ball State alum checking to see what Ohio football is like before tomorrow's game. It is interesting to see how you seem to be upset with Solich. Pete Lembo is trying to build the Ball State program to be like Ohio and Frank Solich's. I must say I would be very happy to see BSU bowl eligible seven years in a row. I think your program is at its best right now in the forty five years I have followed the MAC. You will get a bowl game. If BSU wins tomorrow it would be the biggest win they have in the past 2 years.
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   Posted: 11/16/2015 2:01:40 PM 
redbirdman wrote:
I am a Ball State alum checking to see what Ohio football is like before tomorrow's game. It is interesting to see how you seem to be upset with Solich. Pete Lembo is trying to build the Ball State program to be like Ohio and Frank Solich's. I must say I would be very happy to see BSU bowl eligible seven years in a row. I think your program is at its best right now in the forty five years I have followed the MAC. You will get a bowl game. If BSU wins tomorrow it would be the biggest win they have in the past 2 years.


Welcome but as an FYI, there are many on here who aren't satisfied with appearing in bowl games considering schools with losing records may get in this year - kind of like the dad in the KIA commercial who rips the "participant" tag off his son's trophy.
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