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Monroe Slavin
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   Posted: 9/21/2015 1:48:53 AM 
#5 is comical and wrong in so many ways that I needn't delineate.



Otherwise, my apologies. This coaching staff is clearly infallible.




Oh. Why was OUellette our 4th back starting last year ...who wouldn't have gotten in if the three in front of him hadn't all fumbled in one game. But he turned out to be our best back.

Wait; that doesn't make sense. The coaches pegged him 4th best but he played first best.

How could this be?



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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 10:20:12 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
#5 is comical and wrong in so many ways that I needn't delineate.



Otherwise, my apologies. This coaching staff is clearly infallible.




Oh. Why was OUellette our 4th back starting last year ...who wouldn't have gotten in if the three in front of him hadn't all fumbled in one game. But he turned out to be our best back.

Wait; that doesn't make sense. The coaches pegged him 4th best but he played first best.

How could this be?





I never said our coaching staff is infallible. I criticize them when criticism is due. OUellette is not necessarily our best back. He may be the 4th best....or he might be the first best in certain situations. He was the first best last year because nobody else seemed to be able to hang onto the ball. It doesn't matter how skilled you are at running, if you can't hang onto the ball as a running back, you're not going to play. I think we are seeing that Daz and certainly Papi have improved and are getting more carries and opportunities as a result.

I'm still waiting to hear your source on why Irons needs more carries at this time. Because someone on a message board knows somebody who saw one practice and that one person told another person who told someone on this board and then you read it on this board?

I'm not suggesting that Irons can't play. He might be the best runner. But there are many possible factors as to why he isn't playing as I stated earlier. Maybe it IS that the coaches just don't like him. I don't know. But for now, without any reason to think that might be the case, I'll give the coaches the benefit of the doubt. When I start see AJUTM repeatedly when we are losing by 10 in the 4th quarter, I'll start to wonder....
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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 11:04:55 AM 
In due time, IUTM will be so awe inspiring that someone on BA will write a rap song about it! ;-)


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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 12:06:55 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
#5 is comical and wrong in so many ways that I needn't delineate.



Otherwise, my apologies. This coaching staff is clearly infallible.




Oh. Why was OUellette our 4th back starting last year ...who wouldn't have gotten in if the three in front of him hadn't all fumbled in one game. But he turned out to be our best back.

Wait; that doesn't make sense. The coaches pegged him 4th best but he played first best.

How could this be?




How could it be? Perhaps it could be for the same reason no one else in the country offered him a scholarship. There probably just wasn't enough information on him, or his competition was suspect. Good on our coaches for giving him a chance and getting him a scholarship within weeks. How, exactly are you saying that reflects poorly on our staff? (Hint: it doesn't)

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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 12:21:41 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
In due time, IUTM will be so awe inspiring that someone on BA will write a rap song about it! ;-)


How about a limerick?

Irons Up The Middle is fantastic
The hype for this player is drastic
Scored 6 on rush two
(But the defense was poo)
Play him or BA will go spastic
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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 12:23:25 PM 
C Money wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
In due time, IUTM will be so awe inspiring that someone on BA will write a rap song about it! ;-)


How about a limerick?

Irons Up The Middle is fantastic
The hype for this player is drastic
Scored 6 on rush two
(But the defense was poo)
Play him or BA has gone spastic


fixed it for you




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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 12:31:02 PM 
The coaches would start Tettleton over Aaron Rogers and AJ over Adrian Peterson, because Tettleton beat Penn State and AJ played well last year, they don't believe in upgrading. this is why AJ was almost a career backup if not were not for the fumbles. Most of the fans are happy with 9-3 or 8-4 and a close game against a marginal big ten team, that's understandable based on our history, but I don't think like that. Don't criticize fans for wanting to see a back get an opportunity when our other backs are not moving the ball. I like AJ and Patterson, I just don't understand why Irons does not get more carries when he is bigger and faster than AJ. I am not saying he should start, I am saying lets see what he can do. As far as the coaches, I have seen Tettleton unravel while they did nothing, so pardon me for not trusting their evaluations.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 12:38:39 PM 
Love the limerick!

BTW, I was chuckling this morning at the fact that Monroe had complained for years about the single back (pistol) set....and then lo and behold: the staff implements a two back set!! With Heitzman on Saturday playing the role of Monroe's "BIG MANZ."

Despite the assertions by some, football is not THAT complicated and those of us that have watched Ohio play it every week for decades may at times have valid observations and even the occasional prescription for a fix.

To take a page out of Mike Johnson's playbook, a personal story...I once interned in the labs division of a famous software company that filed a large number of patents. The researchers would explain the inventions (algorithms) to the lawyers who document them and submit the patents. I was told by my boss that after 15 years of this pattern with the same lawyers, the lawyers starting suggesting new algorithms and optimizations to the computer scientists! And they were apparently pretty good.

Anyway...keep doing your thing Monroe!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 1:08:51 PM 
Paul Graham wrote:
. . . Anyway...keep doing your thing Monroe!


Am I out of line to suggest that Monroe have a little innovation in his criticisms? Using the same line over and over gets to be predictable and a tad boring. ;-)


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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 1:19:32 PM 
Paul Graham wrote:
Love the limerick!

BTW, I was chuckling this morning at the fact that Monroe had complained for years about the single back (pistol) set....and then lo and behold: the staff implements a two back set!! With Heitzman on Saturday playing the role of Monroe's "BIG MANZ."

Despite the assertions by some, football is not THAT complicated and those of us that have watched Ohio play it every week for decades may at times have valid observations and even the occasional prescription for a fix.

To take a page out of Mike Johnson's playbook, a personal story...I once interned in the labs division of a famous software company that filed a large number of patents. The researchers would explain the inventions (algorithms) to the lawyers who document them and submit the patents. I was told by my boss that after 15 years of this pattern with the same lawyers, the lawyers starting suggesting new algorithms and optimizations to the computer scientists! And they were apparently pretty good.

Anyway...keep doing your thing Monroe!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 1:28:35 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Paul Graham wrote:
. . . Anyway...keep doing your thing Monroe!


Am I out of line to suggest that Monroe have a little innovation in his criticisms? Using the same line over and over gets to be predictable and a tad boring. ;-)



Albin only visits BA once every couple weeks. How can Monroe be sure he'll stumble across his great ideas without such repetition???? :) Maybe we can do a "Dear Tim, Love Monroe" post and pin it to the top.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 2:36:46 PM 
Paul Graham wrote:
Love the limerick!

BTW, I was chuckling this morning at the fact that Monroe had complained for years about the single back (pistol) set....and then lo and behold: the staff implements a two back set!! With Heitzman on Saturday playing the role of Monroe's "BIG MANZ."

Despite the assertions by some, football is not THAT complicated and those of us that have watched Ohio play it every week for decades may at times have valid observations and even the occasional prescription for a fix.

To take a page out of Mike Johnson's playbook, a personal story...I once interned in the labs division of a famous software company that filed a large number of patents. The researchers would explain the inventions (algorithms) to the lawyers who document them and submit the patents. I was told by my boss that after 15 years of this pattern with the same lawyers, the lawyers starting suggesting new algorithms and optimizations to the computer scientists! And they were apparently pretty good.

Anyway...keep doing your thing Monroe!


Go back to 2012, Independence Bowl. Knight at TE doing the same work. Give/take credit wherever you like.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 2:52:15 PM 
Paul Graham wrote:
Love the limerick!

BTW, I was chuckling this morning at the fact that Monroe had complained for years about the single back (pistol) set....and then lo and behold: the staff implements a two back set!! With Heitzman on Saturday playing the role of Monroe's "BIG MANZ."....

No, no, I'm sure I've stepped into some alternate reality. The coaches using a two-back set... Ohio adding Heitzman, and Monroe complaining that he didn't want a BIG MANZ, he wanted a speedy, tall receiver for TE... Monroe praising two players....

Say, why does everyone have a beard?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 2:54:28 PM 
allen wrote:
The coaches would start Tettleton over Aaron Rogers and AJ over Adrian Peterson, because Tettleton beat Penn State and AJ played well last year, they don't believe in upgrading. this is why AJ was almost a career backup if not were not for the fumbles. Most of the fans are happy with 9-3 or 8-4 and a close game against a marginal big ten team, that's understandable based on our history, but I don't think like that. Don't criticize fans for wanting to see a back get an opportunity when our other backs are not moving the ball. I like AJ and Patterson, I just don't understand why Irons does not get more carries when he is bigger and faster than AJ. I am not saying he should start, I am saying lets see what he can do. As far as the coaches, I have seen Tettleton unravel while they did nothing, so pardon me for not trusting their evaluations.


Bingo. (And it gets more credibility because I didn't write it--that's not a compliment to most of you, by the way.)

Great limerick...very clever.


For the record, to me a two-back set is one in which either back can directly get a hand-off and/or directly lead block. So, to me, we've not used two-back sets much yet. I want sets in which the it's not obvious to the D which back will get it if we run a straight ahead, power running play.


Responses to my incredibly inspired, genius posts often cite statistics. Okay, which of our running backs has the highest yards per carry this year?




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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 3:33:47 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:


Responses to my incredibly inspired, genius posts often cite statistics. Okay, which of our running backs has the highest yards per carry this year?


According to ESPN: Kylan Nelson. I am therefore starting the NUTM campaign!

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/195/o...



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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 3:37:26 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
allen wrote:
The coaches would start Tettleton over Aaron Rogers and AJ over Adrian Peterson, because Tettleton beat Penn State and AJ played well last year, they don't believe in upgrading. this is why AJ was almost a career backup if not were not for the fumbles. Most of the fans are happy with 9-3 or 8-4 and a close game against a marginal big ten team, that's understandable based on our history, but I don't think like that. Don't criticize fans for wanting to see a back get an opportunity when our other backs are not moving the ball. I like AJ and Patterson, I just don't understand why Irons does not get more carries when he is bigger and faster than AJ. I am not saying he should start, I am saying lets see what he can do. As far as the coaches, I have seen Tettleton unravel while they did nothing, so pardon me for not trusting their evaluations.


Bingo. (And it gets more credibility because I didn't write it--that's not a compliment to most of you, by the way.)

Great limerick...very clever.


For the record, to me a two-back set is one in which either back can directly get a hand-off and/or directly lead block. So, to me, we've not used two-back sets much yet. I want sets in which the it's not obvious to the D which back will get it if we run a straight ahead, power running play.


Responses to my incredibly inspired, genius posts often cite statistics. Okay, which of our running backs has the highest yards per carry this year?





According to ESPN, Kylan Nelson. :)

I'll take it one step further and suggest we should be starting Greg Windham at QB. He has 100% completion rate and a Rating of 259.6. The next closest is Vick, with a measly 69.4% completion percentage and rating of only 182.1. Windham's yards per attempt are also much higher.

On a less sarcastic note...bigger and faster does not mean better. It does not mean he can pick up blitzes better. It does not mean he can read the zone read better. It does not mean he catches the ball on swing passes better. It simply means the number on the scale is slightly higher he and runs a 40 yard sprint in a few less 10ths of a second.

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   Posted: 9/21/2015 4:03:44 PM 
OUBobcat13 wrote:
...bigger and faster does not mean better. It does not mean he can pick up blitzes better. It does not mean he can read the zone read better. It does not mean he catches the ball on swing passes better. It simply means the number on the scale is slightly higher he and runs a 40 yard sprint in a few less 10ths of a second.

I would point out that McRae only ran about a 4.65 40, if my memory is correct. He was never "fast", but he was often "fast enough". At the next level, though, the speed may have been an issue.


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   Posted: 9/21/2015 5:45:43 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Paul Graham wrote:
. . . Anyway...keep doing your thing Monroe!


Am I out of line to suggest that Monroe have a little innovation in his criticisms? Using the same line over and over gets to be predictable and a tad boring. ;-)



And Has nothing at all to do with the coaches doing what he says. What a joke.
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   Posted: 9/21/2015 5:55:09 PM 
allen wrote:
The coaches would start Tettleton over Aaron Rogers and AJ over Adrian Peterson, because Tettleton beat Penn State and AJ played well last year, they don't believe in upgrading. this is why AJ was almost a career backup if not were not for the fumbles. Most of the fans are happy with 9-3 or 8-4 and a close game against a marginal big ten team, that's understandable based on our history, but I don't think like that. Don't criticize fans for wanting to see a back get an opportunity when our other backs are not moving the ball. I like AJ and Patterson, I just don't understand why Irons does not get more carries when he is bigger and faster than AJ. I am not saying he should start, I am saying lets see what he can do. As far as the coaches, I have seen Tettleton unravel while they did nothing, so pardon me for not trusting their evaluations.


There's a difference between "Man, I'd love to see what this Irons kid can do!" versus "Jesus, why hasn't Irons been in??!! Someone should be fired!!"

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   Posted: 9/21/2015 6:10:55 PM 
allen wrote:
...this is why AJ was almost a career backup if not were not for the fumbles.


I love it when statements are made with such absolute resolve when they are actually made with complete abandonment of any fact.
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   Posted: 9/21/2015 6:14:41 PM 
Huh? Who said in this thread or elsewhere that lack of Irons is worthy of firing?

I don't care if you defenders all want to point the finger at me. I'm not here for blame; I'm here to make the team its best. Do note, by the way, that I didn't start this thread, that there were the better part of 15 posts before I appeared.

But, go ahead, make this about me instead of it being about what could be good for the team. It's just sad to see that type of thinking so often here.



Now, if Irons should turn out to be pretty awful good, then holding him back for so long should make the defenders think...in the same way that I'll admit to being mistaken if his performance doesn't prove favorable.


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   Posted: 9/21/2015 6:35:58 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
..Now, if Irons should turn out to be pretty awful good, then holding him back for so long should make the defenders think...in the same way that I'll admit to being mistaken if his performance doesn't prove favorable.

Not really. Then we'd just think "the coaches brought him along at the proper speed, and see what a good job they've done with him". ;P



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   Posted: 9/21/2015 6:44:38 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
I'm not here for blame; I'm here to make the team its best.


I'm sure the players and coaches appreciate the dedication and sacrifice you make along with them and for them.

And you wonder why players (and others) roll their eyes at some fans.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Irons time
   Posted: 9/21/2015 7:54:22 PM 
I agree irons isn't much bigger and not much faster. Plus how can everyone judge AJ when he's only getting less than 10 carries a game? It takes time to get in a groove and when your O line isn't opening holes there's not much you can do. Has anyone played college football on here haha its looking like no. If AJ received 15 to 25 carries a game you wouldn't even have this post plus he has one thing everyone knows (dependability) can't replace that.
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   Posted: 9/21/2015 8:53:59 PM 
I am still intrigued by the physical potential of Irons and would liked to have see more from him in the first few games to really know what we have there.

However as a previous post mentioned I think we're getting near the point we'll need to settle on one or maybe two guys to get the majority of carries every game instead of so much rotation.
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