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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/20/2015 6:34:54 PM 
With this clown as a coach, I may have to change my predicted score and make the margin even wider.

Several others are now also writing about this incident:

http://tinyurl.com/nfftfyf

http://tinyurl.com/pc8r4s9

http://tinyurl.com/pqonvb5

For the record, I think his brother at UL is a clown, too.

Last Edited: 8/20/2015 6:35:27 PM by OhioCatFan

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/20/2015 10:01:47 PM 
If he hadn't had the run-in with the press last year, he could get the benefit of the doubt (such as, he might've just been trying to show his team that he'll stick up for them). But this says there's something deeper going on here. He needs some anger management (not the TV show).

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/21/2015 10:48:13 AM 
Not a good look for Petrino at all....at any rate, Sept 3, LOCKED AND LOADED.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/21/2015 1:10:34 PM 
I wish I could say the Petrinos are caricatures of football coaches. Whistle-wearing grotesques. But it seems they're more and more what's to be expected out of a coach. That's a shame.

But someone else on staff should've written the story about the confrontation for the D-News. Dugar made himself the story by writing it. Another reporter could've written it, quoted him and gotten his side.

The Petrino Brothers' clownish act aside, I will say one thing: I'm disturbed by the amount of "insider" reporting required of a beat writer these days. As people want to read less and less dry, informational reporting, they want more and more (for a lack of better term) "impressionistic" stuff. While some of it is great (Arkley strikes a nice balance of facts and impressions and seems to build enough trust with coaches to be able to splice the thoughts perhaps they wouldn't want quoted into his own thoughts), it's more and more inviting people who don't coach football for a living to talk as if they do coach football for a living. And it's not the reporter's fault. That's what the reader is asking for. But here's a little problem with it: IF THE REPORTER COULD BREAK DOWN FOOTBALL LIKE A FOOTBALL COACH, HE OR SHE WOULD BE COACHING FOOTBALL.

So when coaches and players are no longer forthright and when players aren't even available to talk (like Petrino does with his star wide receiver), you're going to get impressions, innuendo, gossip, bluster, exaggeration based on teeny tiny things like vertical passing game drills.

This long, rambling post boils down to this: Maybe we should all watch the game more and demand less from inside the huddle. Maybe football, unlike actual important things in life where simple informational reporting still suffices in many ways, could be a little bit more of a mystery. I got out of sports writing recently and I really do enjoy the games more now. I'm not worried about finding an angle or stringing together narratives. Heaven knows at times I've stretched some small detail into a lede and probably made a football coach want to run across a field to read me the riot act. And I probably deserved it. But I always tried to approach an interview with a head coach as if I was a student and they were a teacher. Not in a bullying sort of way, but in the football sense. I wanted to ask informed, good questions about their teams, but I never wanted to give the impression I knew better. Or that I ever knew much at all. My job was to get their impression.

But when the coach isn't open, you're stuck with a news hole to fill. You're then grasping at what you know and that usually isn't enough to not make you look like a fool. Then you start describing the color of curtains in the post-game news conference room and gestures of their hands. Or you invent a narrative.

Sometimes in sports, there are no narratives. Sometimes a team is working on its vertical passing game in practice and the quarterback isn't connecting with receivers because...well...IT'S PRACTICE. And practice isn't perfect. To be trite, it's to become perfect.

The demands on a reporter these days trying to gain eyeballs against the flash and convenience of video and louder voices on radio and cable and the pressures on a football coach who can be scrutinized and fired for the tiniest amount of program atrophy can be a volatile pairing.

Last Edited: 8/21/2015 1:14:40 PM by .
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/21/2015 5:04:49 PM 
I think people are somewhat willing to overlook behavior like that if the coach is winning. But two wins in the last two years? Both the record and the behavior make your school look bad...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/21/2015 10:07:29 PM 
Delete Pending wrote:
I wish I could say the Petrinos are caricatures of football coaches. Whistle-wearing grotesques. But it seems they're more and more what's to be expected out of a coach. That's a shame.

But someone else on staff should've written the story about the confrontation for the D-News. Dugar made himself the story by writing it. Another reporter could've written it, quoted him and gotten his side.

The Petrino Brothers' clownish act aside, I will say one thing: I'm disturbed by the amount of "insider" reporting required of a beat writer these days. As people want to read less and less dry, informational reporting, they want more and more (for a lack of better term) "impressionistic" stuff. While some of it is great (Arkley strikes a nice balance of facts and impressions and seems to build enough trust with coaches to be able to splice the thoughts perhaps they wouldn't want quoted into his own thoughts), it's more and more inviting people who don't coach football for a living to talk as if they do coach football for a living. And it's not the reporter's fault. That's what the reader is asking for. But here's a little problem with it: IF THE REPORTER COULD BREAK DOWN FOOTBALL LIKE A FOOTBALL COACH, HE OR SHE WOULD BE COACHING FOOTBALL.

So when coaches and players are no longer forthright and when players aren't even available to talk (like Petrino does with his star wide receiver), you're going to get impressions, innuendo, gossip, bluster, exaggeration based on teeny tiny things like vertical passing game drills.

This long, rambling post boils down to this: Maybe we should all watch the game more and demand less from inside the huddle. Maybe football, unlike actual important things in life where simple informational reporting still suffices in many ways, could be a little bit more of a mystery. I got out of sports writing recently and I really do enjoy the games more now. I'm not worried about finding an angle or stringing together narratives. Heaven knows at times I've stretched some small detail into a lede and probably made a football coach want to run across a field to read me the riot act. And I probably deserved it. But I always tried to approach an interview with a head coach as if I was a student and they were a teacher. Not in a bullying sort of way, but in the football sense. I wanted to ask informed, good questions about their teams, but I never wanted to give the impression I knew better. Or that I ever knew much at all. My job was to get their impression.

But when the coach isn't open, you're stuck with a news hole to fill. You're then grasping at what you know and that usually isn't enough to not make you look like a fool. Then you start describing the color of curtains in the post-game news conference room and gestures of their hands. Or you invent a narrative.

Sometimes in sports, there are no narratives. Sometimes a team is working on its vertical passing game in practice and the quarterback isn't connecting with receivers because...well...IT'S PRACTICE. And practice isn't perfect. To be trite, it's to become perfect.

The demands on a reporter these days trying to gain eyeballs against the flash and convenience of video and louder voices on radio and cable and the pressures on a football coach who can be scrutinized and fired for the tiniest amount of program atrophy can be a volatile pairing.


Excellent post.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/22/2015 2:30:09 PM 
Some comments from Petrino on the Bobcats, via the blog of Theo Lawson of the Lewiston Tribune:
http://tinyurl.com/q8dmkwo

Lawson wrote:
- The team spent a chunk of practice doing Ohio prep work. Behind center, the Bobcats will probably go with the speedy Derius Vick for a second straight year — which will give Idaho plenty to think about in the days leading up the Sept. 3 opener. Petrino laid into his defense when Luton took off for a 15-yard gain, and the white-shirted players casually jogged toward the QB. The coach reprimanded them, noting that it probably would’ve been a 20- or 30-yard gain had Vick been running the play rather than Luton.

“They just need to realize that even on those couple of plays I was talking about, they were pass calls. A lot of times their quarterback, he’s going to go to his number one guy, and if he’s not there he might go to his number two guy, or he might just take off and run. So we need to understand that’s a little bit different than what they see every day in practice.”

I don't think it will matter much if it is Vick, Sprague, or Windham. Any of them are capable of just taking off and running.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/22/2015 5:41:00 PM 
I hope that the qb taking off and running is a small part of the offense. First, it exposes the qb to injury. Second, I hope that the plays we call work such that we don't have to resort to this as a fallback.

OUr offense has an interesting mix of a fair amount of experience (line, OUellette, etc) and inexperience (TE, receiver, other rb's).

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/22/2015 5:46:05 PM 
http://espn.go.com/college-football/conferences/statistic...

Wondering when was the last time that we had a receiver who ranked in top 15 MAC in receptions and/or caught 50 or more balls.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/22/2015 5:53:01 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
I hope that the qb taking off and running is a small part of the offense. First, it exposes the qb to injury. Second, I hope that the plays we call work such that we don't have to resort to this as a fallback.

OUr offense has an interesting mix of a fair amount of experience (line, OUellette, etc) and inexperience (TE, receiver, other rb's).

That's always the argument when it comes to QBs running with the ball. It never seems to happen that way, though. When QBs get hurt, its normally because they are hit while passing. As often as Vick ran last year, he was hurt on a personal foul by Idaho while standing, minding his own business, after handing off to AJ.

The only injury I can think of where a QB was hurt on a run was where TT got hit against Marshall in 2012, and he took a shot to the ribs. I think that's because when they are running, they see the impact coming, and either brace for it, or they can slide, or run out of bounds to avoid it, while, when they get hit passing, they are either exposed, or don't even see it coming.

I agree that it's an interesting mix of experience and inexperience, old players and young ones. I'm looking for them to mesh into a good team.

Last Edited: 8/22/2015 7:00:37 PM by L.C.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/24/2015 7:44:10 PM 
Wasn't he hurt against NM State? Either way, excited for this year's team. I see 8 wins.
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   Posted: 8/24/2015 8:14:38 PM 
Pennsylvaniacat wrote:
Wasn't he hurt against NM State? Either way, excited for this year's team. I see 8 wins.

You are correct. I found this article that clears it up.
http://tinyurl.com/o6pcp3z
Harry Plummer wrote:
Solich declined to discuss the nature of Tettleton's injury, but did say his quarterback sustained the injury on Sept. 8 against New Mexico State. A report in USA Today called it an "undisclosed abdomen injury"

Tettleton played through the injury for in Ohio's Sept.15 victory against archrival Marshall, but Solich said in the fourth quarter, he and his staff had to limit their play calling because of Tettleton's health.

"In the second half, it got to the point where it was really bothering him, and he could not throw effectively and did not feel comfortable with trying to throw deep, so we really starting eliminating what he could throw in that game in the second half," Solich said. "Although he did throw a 27-yard touchdown to Ryan Clark. He’s got a good strong arm, but he said it took all he could to get the ball that distance for that completion, and so after that we just started to really slow down in how we used him as a runner and as a thrower."


I remembered that TT played against Marshall, but sat versus Norfolk State, so my fuzzy memory incorrectly placed the injury in the Marshall game. My apologies, and thanks for the correction.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/24/2015 10:41:22 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/conferences/statistic...

Wondering when was the last time that we had a receiver who ranked in top 15 MAC in receptions and/or caught 50 or more balls.


Click the dropdown menu for 2009. There are a TON of DUMB numbers in there. Seriously, 155 receptions? Just silly.

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   Posted: 8/24/2015 11:54:00 PM 
Here are the last three that were in the top 15:
Brazill was #5 in 2011 with 72 catches (was also #4 in yards, and #3 in tds)
Foster was #11 in 2012 with 59 catches
Foster was #4 in 2013 with 69 catches (was also #3 in yards)

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   Posted: 8/26/2015 6:32:45 PM 
http://www.scout.com/college/idaho/forums/2664-vandal-foo...

And the hits keep coming in Moscow. GRAMMAR ALERT! (note the subject line)

Just did some perusing of their board, and they are expecting under 12K in attendance for the opener. OOOF! Really too bad considering a season opener, tailgate weather looks phenomenal, and they have a pretty darn good (but young) QB. I'm really looking forward to the trip.

Last Edited: 8/26/2015 6:49:18 PM by D.A.

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   Posted: 8/26/2015 7:25:17 PM 
Wildfires playing havoc in Idaho. Probably good to be indoors since air is smoke laden

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/08/23/3952072/smoke-co...
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D.A. wrote:
http://www.scout.com/college/idaho/forums/2664-vandal-foo...

And the hits keep coming in Moscow. GRAMMAR ALERT! (note the subject line)

Just did some perusing of their board, and they are expecting under 12K in attendance for the opener. OOOF! Really too bad considering a season opener, tailgate weather looks phenomenal, and they have a pretty darn good (but young) QB. I'm really looking forward to the trip.


Hi - where did you see the under 12k in attendance. Thanks
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   Posted: 8/26/2015 7:50:36 PM 
VisitingVandal wrote:
D.A. wrote:
http://www.scout.com/college/idaho/forums/2664-vandal-foo...

And the hits keep coming in Moscow. GRAMMAR ALERT! (note the subject line)

Just did some perusing of their board, and they are expecting under 12K in attendance for the opener. OOOF! Really too bad considering a season opener, tailgate weather looks phenomenal, and they have a pretty darn good (but young) QB. I'm really looking forward to the trip.


Hi - where did you see the under 12k in attendance. Thanks


In a different thread, speculation citing recent season opening attendance numbers.

Any insights you can share on spots to hit in Moscow for those of us making the trip? How about pregaming?

Last Edited: 8/26/2015 7:51:43 PM by D.A.

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And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

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   Posted: 8/26/2015 9:29:51 PM 
D.A. wrote:
... GRAMMAR ALERT! (note the subject line)...

He can probably blame that on auto-carrot
http://www.gocomics.com/theargylesweater/2015/08/16

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Idaho
   Posted: 8/27/2015 6:39:55 AM 
Sounds like they're off to a not so stellar preseason, media-wise. I hope we've seen the worst of that from our side. I'm trying to picture Solich going wild on Arkley or some 18 year old Posties right now :)

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   Posted: 8/27/2015 2:11:36 PM 
You'll like this story:

http://deadspin.com/idaho-football-coach-paul-petrino-mak...

Last Edited: 8/27/2015 2:13:00 PM by axeme
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   Posted: 8/27/2015 2:19:54 PM 
axeme wrote:
You'll like this story:

http://deadspin.com/idaho-football-coach-paul-petrino-mak...


Duh. It's called the VANDALstore, not the law-abiding citizen store.

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   Posted: 8/27/2015 4:22:36 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
[QUOTE=axeme]

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   Posted: 8/28/2015 12:43:18 PM 
axeme wrote:
You'll like this story:

http://deadspin.com/idaho-football-coach-paul-petrino-mak...


It'll be interesting to see if he's handling this internally by having the culprits sit all or part of the opener for "undisclosed violations of team rules."

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   Posted: 8/28/2015 2:29:53 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
axeme wrote:
You'll like this story:

http://deadspin.com/idaho-football-coach-paul-petrino-mak...


It'll be interesting to see if he's handling this internally by having the culprits sit all or part of the opener for "undisclosed violations of team rules."


They would, but they just can't remember who those players are! Darn the luck.
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