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Pataskala
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Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/18/2015 11:06:34 AM

His new rankings for coaching hot seats are out. He uses a 0 to 5 scale with 0 being untouchable and 5 being chair on fire. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/hotseat

Solich is a bit warmer this year, up from 1.5 to 3. I don't think there's any interest in firing him, but we need to see better performance this season than we've had the past 2 1/2 years.

The rest in the MAC are pretty much spot on (newbies have an asterisk):

Paul Haynes, Kent 4
Chris Chreighton, EMU 3
John Bonamengo, CMU 2* (not sure about this; he's new and took over late)
Mark Whipple, UMass 2
Chuck Martin, Fiami 2
Terry Bowden, Akron 1
Pete Lembo, BSU 1
Dino Babers, BG 1
Lance Leopold, Buffalo 1*
Matt Campbell, Toledo 1
PJ Fleck, WMU 1
Rod Carey, NIU 0

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/18/2015 11:54:29 AM

I would think that Bowden should be way up the hot seat list, not a 1. He doesn't really seem to be going forward right now, but I guess that could change.

Frank is among some pretty good company-Charlie Strong and Frank Beamer. Looking over the list, there seems to be different ways of arriving at the rankings. Obviously, the two Franks are not going to be fired (unless Monroe has his way). Their fan bases and the pundits apparently want more out of those guys who have turned their programs around, but a 3 doesn't seem right. Even Larry Coker who is 23-23 at a new FBS program is listed at a 3. I would think that would pretty good for a new program. And 2-10 at Eastern for a new coach seems about right-why rate him a 3 after 1 year.

Last Edited: 6/18/2015 12:09:43 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/18/2015 12:25:33 PM

I think I saw on collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com that Coach Bonamego has tonsil cancer, which is apparently treatable.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/18/2015 7:01:44 PM

For another view, you can check out:
http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/18/2015 8:16:32 PM

L.C. wrote:

For another view, you can check out:
http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

Gotta wonder about it. They have Dan Enos at CMU and in the "safe for now" category.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/18/2015 9:57:28 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

I think I saw on collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com that Coach Bonamego has tonsil cancer, which is apparently treatable.

Fortunately, they caught it early. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/central-michigan-football-co...

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 8:48:45 AM

Frank will retire from Ohio on his time table, and his only.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 8:55:06 AM

Pataskala wrote:

I'm pretty sure he isn't trying to say this, but with Solich at a 3 that would make it sound like he believes Solich is tied for the 2nd most likely coach in the MAC to be fired.
That is just stupid.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 9:55:43 AM

Yeah. Because there are about no expectations at all. How many non-MACC years before most of you begin to wonder?

What is the point of proceeding with no reasonable MACC expectation?

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 10:14:54 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Stifle yourself edith . . . er, I mean Monroe. It's been reported by authoritative sources that they are practicing a two-back set. How could this innovative formation not lead to a MACC in short order?

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 10:55:32 AM

Again with the failure to grasp.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 11:13:45 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Phil Steele's rating of units places Ohio 1st or 2nd in the MAC at LB, DB, ST and coaching. The #1 coaching rating is actually a three way tie between Ohio, Akron and Ball State. What this tells me is there is good coaching throughout the MAC and that the other teams will have something to say about the MACC every year. So long as Ohio is in the group having something to say about the MACC I will be happy.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 11:20:30 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Again with the failure to grasp.

Failure to see the big picture.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 2:39:10 PM

I'm disappointed by the numbering system.

The scale should be from from "Arnold Schwartzenagger's Throne in Batman & Robin" to "Plastic-covered Laz-E-Boy in Grandma's Living Room" to "Ottoman near a child carrying Bic lighter" to "Broyhill in front of a Morgantown Apartment"

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 3:56:56 PM

The Optimist wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Again with the failure to grasp.

Failure to see the big picture.

Remind me, what is the big picture again? Is it beating the Idaho/Kent/Umass/Akron//Miami's of the world?

Is the big picture getting worked by BG every year; and every half decent team in the conference for that matter?

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 4:31:04 PM

The "small picture" is to focus on a small sample of the games. The "big picture" is to look at the overall, long term trend.

In every program there are always ups and downs. A person looking at the small picture would compare lows to the prior highs, and always conclude that things are getting worse. A person looking at the big picture would compare the highs to the highs, and the lows to the lows. So long as the downs keep getting higher, and the ups keep getting higher, the program is still heading in the right direction.

Dividing the last dozen years into "highs" and "lows":
Highs
2005-2006 13-12, .520
2009-2012 36-18, .667
2015-2018 ????

Lows
2003-2004 6-17, .352
2007-2008 10-14, .417
2013-2014 13-12, .520

All coaches have ups and downs, so it's good to keep your eye on the bigger, long term picture, at least some of the time.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 8:32:01 PM

We have not been in 'the group having something to say about the MACC' for a long time.

It's the 21st century. I suppose in some remote outposts they factor in what you did a good number of years ago. But in the real, modern world...like it or not...what have you done for me lately.

Even long term, how many years with no MACC?

This, in the worst division of the worst D1 conference.

That so many of you are so 100% confident is troubling. I hope that I'm wrong. But hope alone does not equal desired results.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 9:05:27 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

But for me (and perhaps me only), is Ohio THAT kind of school now that goes from being just absolutely sh***y in football for 2 generations, then improves to.a bowl winning team but not quite good enough to win a conference championship and demand, and I mean, demand that that coach be fired? Are we really Ohio State now? Are we, because I didn't get that memo. I still prefer to think we're better than that. Sure I'd love it if we'd win a MACC but I'm not about to demand that a coach with a ..600 winning percentage in this program who got the program's 1st bowl win and graduates players with an average of a 3.00 GPA take the first train out of Dodge . I'm not an Ohio State grad for Heaven's sake!

Not that there's anything wrong with a MACC.........

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 9:09:57 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

We were 1 win away from winning the east last year.
The East is not the worse division in the worse conference.
How long ago was it when we were ranked and had beaten Penn State and Marshall 3 years in a row.
Nobody is 100% happy about the last few years, but I'll take it over 30 years ago anytime.
And just exactly do you want to do about it-fire Frank? Other than being just an annoying broken record?

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/19/2015 9:13:44 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Well when BG studies film before the Ohio game they can try to figure out the 500+ yards the Bobcats hung on them. The Cats have their attention. When NIU studies film they will see the Cats out-gaining them 344-325. The Cats have their attention. Ohio is very close. Phil Steele believes Ohio has best in MAC coaching. Guess I will go with Phil. Monroe, I choose not to go to your unhappy place.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/20/2015 1:44:55 AM

BG--500 yards. What does that have to do with anything.

I'm seeing 31-13 loss, including 28-6 after 3 quarters.

Really think 500 yards is representative of anything meaningful to anyone anywhere.

One game away from winning the MAC East. Not really.

Name a worse conference and a worse division.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/20/2015 5:12:21 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

I know Monroe, he who was angry after a 45-14 win. Well Monroe, no one owes you a MACC. Ohio is getting very good results for the level of support being committed to the program.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/20/2015 8:20:58 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

I think that if we had beat BG I - a game in which we moved up and down the field but flunked in the red zone, we would have won the east.
Sun Belt is a worse conference.
Anyway, I ask again -what do you want to happen-fire Frank or some other coach?

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/20/2015 11:36:26 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Would the result have been any different if Vick had not been out with a knee injury? Would the result have been any different if OUellette had not been crippled by an ankle injury? Were those injuries caused by coaching? Was 500 yards of offense by the second string a poor effort?

I felt that the BG game was a game where Ohio grew a lot. With AJ hobbled, the running game just wasn't there, so they had to rely on passing, with Sprague putting the ball up an amazing 56 times. You aren't going to win very often when you throw the ball 56 times because it's tough to finish drives with no running game, and the BG game was typical in that respect. Nevertheless, Ohio never gave up, and battled BG up and down the field for 60 minutes.

Once the team had some time to heal, and had a healthy Vick and AJ down the stretch, they were a different team. The last three games, Buffalo, NIU, and Miami were very solid games, and set the tone for a very good year in 2015.

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RE: Dodd's hot seat rankings

Posted: 6/20/2015 12:12:41 PM

L.C. wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

In other news, the Cavs won the Finals ..because the results would have been different if Love and Irving...

What do I want? Excellent question. Two very simple things. First, a MACC.

Second, for the consensus here to shift away for 'you're dreaming...what universe are you in' to a reasonably objective look at our program.

And the answer to the latter over the last 2.5 years is...

Further hint: Yes, it was nice before the last 2.5 years. But over 2.5 years is ancient history.

A reasonably objective look at the relevant data.

[I apologize for taking most of you out of your fantasy land view of the world.]

Last Edited: 6/20/2015 12:14:46 PM by Monroe Slavin

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