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L.C.
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Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/13/2015 1:26:05 PM

Most of them should arrive on campus this weekend. Some will still have things to work out, but we should soon know many of the players who have qualified. I wonder how long it will be until we get a Fall Roster, which will help us understand the roster changes for fall? Also, I wonder if there is a post-Spring depth chart anywhere? Last year the first time we saw a post-Spring depth chart was in the CFN preview, and perhaps that is how we'll see it again this year. I know there obviously is a depth chart; we just don't know what it is.

The class of 2014 was a very good class, and a lot of them played as true Freshman, particularly on the offensive side, and at DB:
OL -Lowery, McCray, Pruehs (I think Langenkamp may have played, but if so, got his redshirt back)
RB - OUellette (White also played, but got his redshirt back)
WR - Walker, Brunis
DB - Nelson, Brunson

For this fall, we'll see more of the class of 2014 trying to work into the rotation, plus some from 2012 and 2013 trying to work into the order, and true freshmen from 2015 trying to play as well. On the other hand, not many key players are gone, so there aren't a lot of open slots in the play rotation to move up into.

Let's look at who is gone, and who might move up:
1. RB: Edmond - played intermittantly at RB. With him gone there will only be a few more carries for the likes of Patterson, Brown, White, and Irons, who will be trying to get some carries away from OUellette. There is no 2015 RB. The biggest gap Edmond will leave will be in terms of his leadership and enthusiasm.

2. WR: Bradley, Cochran, L. Smith - We'll see more of S. Smith, Reid, Cope, Walker, and Brunis, as well as more of Dixon and Sawyer. Players that haven't played who will be trying to get some PT include Cedric Brown, Jarid Brown (who moved from CB to WR), transfer Tim Helton, Andrew Meyer, plus walkons Grimmard and Marhefka. From the class of 2015, Elijah Ball, Kyle Belak, and Langston Provitt (if he ends up at WR) will also be looking for time.

3. Safety: Kristoff and Ingol are gone, and it remains to be seen if Carpenter will be able to play. Guys that played some last year who will be looking for more time include Quallen, Macer, Devin Jones, Scipio and Toran Davis, and walkon Cunningham. Also, in the Spring the tried moving Kylan Nelson to Safety. Because they were very thin at Safety, there are no returning scholarship players who did not play, but there are definitely guys in the 2015 class who seem likely to step in and play immediately, notably Deontai Williams, Mayne Williams, and Javon Hagan.

4. DT - Gone are Crutcher, McLeod, and Davis. Guys that will get a lot more PT include Purdum, Aloese, Porter, Tautuaiki, plus Sayles who is moving inside at least part of the time. From the 2014 class, Tony Stephens, a walkon who was hurt in preseason last year, and Kyle Kuhar could also compete for time. The 2015 class includes a number of players who may become defensive tackles, but hopefully they can all redshirt. The 2015 players who could end at DT are Arp, McKnight, and Colbert.

5. DE - Kendric Smith is gone, and Sayles is going to be playing some DT in addition to DE. That will mean more playing time for Basham and Laseak, and Berger and Smart will be competing for time. From the class of 2015, we very well may see some new guys playing, including Kevin Robbins, a JUCO, and Colbert or McKnight may play at DE rather than DT.

6. Other: The only one other players with time who are gone are James Alexander, who played sparingly at OLB, Davon Henry, a tight end, and Miles Chapman, the long snapper. Jake Hale is a long snapper in the class of 2015, and he'll compete with walkon transfer Ceth Miller for the long snapping job. At TE, you'd think that 2014 JUCO Brennan Boland, who was out last year with injury, will play some at TE, as will 2014 recruit Connor Brown.

Because of all the true Freshmen that played last year on offense, I doubt any of this year's class will play at most offensive slots. It's possible that one of the linebackers from 2014 or 2015 will get time (DiCillo, Marcus Brunson, Croutch, Taylor, Cloud, and Glasco). At CB Layton, Wells, Bass, Brunson, and Nelson are all back, but if Nelson moves to Safety, that could open some playing time for 2014 recruit Fox or 2015 recruits Howell and Christian, or Provitt, if he ends up at CB.

Conclusions: Almost all of the players from last year are back. Where there are gaps, there are mostly players who are ready to stop up, and there shouldn't be a big dropoff. The places where I see players from the Class of 2015 most likely to step in and play immediately are at long snapper and Safety, plus along the defensive line.

Last Edited: 6/13/2015 2:12:32 PM by L.C.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/13/2015 9:53:58 PM

Thank you for the comprehensive preview!

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/14/2015 8:44:03 AM

Once again L.C. comes through with a very good assessment of the 2015 team.
I'm waiting for the Phil Steele College Preview mag to hit the shelves on 7/1.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/14/2015 11:26:21 AM

It's not really an assessment of the overall team. Mostly I was trying to guess where we would see new players filling roles, and in particular, where we might see true Freshmen playing. I see the JUCO DE playing, and then probably a safety, and maybe long snapper. I think all but a couple of the Freshmen will redshirt.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/14/2015 5:05:57 PM

From what I see the following signees are not showing up in the student registry. Take it for what it's worth.

Marques Grimes (????)
London Cloud (Appears to somehow flipped to a Toledo Commit. No idea how that's possible.)
Clayton Glasco (known not to be qualified yet)
Jeff Christian (qualifying issues?)
Deontai Williams (qualifying issues?)
Marcus Brunson (likely just not registered yet as only signed a couple weeks ago)

A couple of the greyshirts also do not show up (Seymour & Zervos)

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/14/2015 8:39:05 PM

As for Marques Grimes, his twitter would indicate he's coming.
@D1_MJG
He tweeted on the third "leaving soon", and Keith Key seems to be his roommate.

Christian may be one that has a few things left to take care of, and who will be arriving later this fall.
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Six hours ago he sent "anotha month".

I didn't find anything new on London Cloud or Deontai Williams, just old stuff that they are Ohio recruits.

The grayshirts don't need to enroll yet. They can't join the team until next January, so I wasn't expecting them.

Maybe Arkley will have an article on the arrival of the Freshmen, and he will give us a clear, or at least clearer, picture.

Last Edited: 6/14/2015 8:51:38 PM by L.C.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/14/2015 9:30:36 PM

LC,

London Cloud's twitter profile says he is a Toledo commit now and he tweeted to someone that he was going to Toledo now. He's gone. May have been related to the Marcus Brunson signing.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/15/2015 9:36:46 AM

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

That list includes a fair number of our higher rated recruits. Not good. Hopefully they end up coming.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/15/2015 11:45:10 AM

Grimes is in the student directory now.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/15/2015 11:01:29 PM

In more strangeness, I found a post on Twitter dated 5/30 from @ubring who is the coach at SUNY/ECC aka Erie Community College that said "Tremendous way to bring our 2015 ECC KAT recruiting class with the addition of LB From Bedford HS - one of the... " and had a link to London Cloud's highlights.
https://twitter.com/search?q=london%20cloud%20bedford&src...

Interestingly, per his twitter, another ECC recruit is another former Ohio commit, someone who was supposed to grayshirt in 2014, Kicker Pierce Royster of Hudson. Royster apparently walked on at Wyoming last year instead of grayshirting at Ohio and I guess that didn't work out for him.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/16/2015 12:21:25 PM

It looks like Deontai Williams might be going to Jones County Junior College. They announced his signing on Twitter a few days after actual signing day:

JCJCFootball ‏@JCJCBobcatsFB Feb 6
Always nice to add a ESPN 300 to the family!
https://twitter.com/JCJCBobcatsFB/status/5638686304596459...

JCJCFootball ‏@JCJCBobcatsFB Feb 6
Welcome to the Bobcat family, Deontai Williams, Safety from Trinity Christian HS in Jacksonville, FL!!! #NoFlyZone
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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/16/2015 2:07:09 PM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

It looks like Deontai Williams might be going to Jones County Junior College. They announced his signing on Twitter a few days after actual signing day:...

Yes, but was it a for sure thing, or a back up plan, just in case he didn't qualify? It's all been quiet since then, so really, we don't know more now than we did then. Come fall, I expect Deontai will appear either on Ohio's roster, or on Jones County's roster, and then we'll know for sure.

This has been one of the stranger years, as far as having a muddled recruiting picture. Strangest of all is the Cloud situation, who signed with Ohio, then committed to Erie Community College, and now apparently is a Toledo recruit.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/20/2015 6:44:39 PM

According to Arkley, those are not arriving this weekend were Matt Seymour, Jeff Christian, London Cloud, Clayton Glasco and Deontai Williams. Seymour will be here for Fall Camp but the others (except Cloud) are still trying to qualify academically.

http://www.athensmessenger.com/sports/ohiouniversity/bobcats-get-new-players-on-campus/article_1ecc8e65-8792-5168-bbbc-e0caa8e8991d.html

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/20/2015 7:17:07 PM

The class is not nearly as strong as when it was announced. Three of the top defensive players in the group (Cloud, Christian and Williams) aren't coming. I'm not surprised and yet...I am somehow?

Last Edited: 6/20/2015 7:18:17 PM by Paul Graham

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/21/2015 12:19:16 AM

Ted Thompson wrote:

Very interesting article:
1. It mentions three new players we haven't heard about, James Ready (6'5" 292 OG), Charles Smith (6'1" 195 SS/OLB), and Chukwudi Chukwu (6'2" 230). They are presumably preferred walkons. I think Smith will be a good one.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/599051/jacob-ready
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3681603/charles-smith
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/869951/chukwudi-chukwu
2. On the other hand it doesn't mention two players we have heard about, Marcus Brunson and Michael Farkas. Are they in camp? If not, are they still expected for fall?
3. It mentions that Zervos is already enrolled. That's odd, because I thought he was a grayshirt, and wouldn't join the team until January.
4. It reports that Seymour is expected in the Fall. Again, he's a grayshirt, so I thought he wasn't expected until January.

As for the others, I note that he did not rule out Christian, Deontai Williams, or Clayton Glasco, so we may yet get a pleasant surprise in the fall.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/21/2015 5:30:16 PM

Paul Graham wrote:

The class is not nearly as strong as when it was announced. Three of the top defensive players in the group (Cloud, Christian and Williams) aren't coming. I'm not surprised and yet...I am somehow?

and they all seem to be not coming because of academics, so what's your solution- lower our academic standards or not offer recruits on the edge?

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/21/2015 5:57:48 PM

Arkley mentioned in his article in the Messenger today that one our recruits who didn't qualify at Ohio enrolled at Toledo. The implication was that he would play for UT. Does UT have standards lower than OHIO? How much above NCAA minimums are our standards? Anyone know the answers?

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/21/2015 7:06:25 PM

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The MAC permits partial qualifiers, but Ohio does not. Thus, if someone does not qualify, Ohio routes them to JUCO or to Prep School. Other schools such as Marshall and Toledo will accept them, and allow them to enroll. They aren't allowed to play until they academically eligible, of course, but they are an actual Toledo student, and don't end up getting re-recruited.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/21/2015 7:51:16 PM

L.C. wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Thanks for the explanation. I had heard the phrase "partial qualifiers," but I never knew exactly what it meant before. Now I understand perfectly.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/22/2015 6:06:08 AM

L.C. wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Then Ohio isn't doing anything different that Toledo and Marshall isn't doing by going after partial qualifiers. What is different on how they are handled when they don't qualify. That is where the preferred walk on program comes in to fill the gaps at Ohio. I have no problem with that strategy because if you take in 20 kids a year in-state counting scholarship guys and preferred that keeps the High School connections strong. In basketball Ohio must not have that rule because many players have come in to only be eligible to play after fall semester grades.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/22/2015 9:15:16 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

L.C. wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

I don't remember any partial qualifiers coming in under TOS, Groce or Christian. Maybe there was a prop 48 under Hunter? The only time Ohio has waited for Fall grades to be posted was in the case of transfers.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/22/2015 9:59:07 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Thanks for the explanation. I had heard the phrase "partial qualifiers," but I never knew exactly what it meant before. Now I understand perfectly.

To clarify it further, there are two requirements. One is a GPA/Core curriculum requirement, and the other is an ACT/SAT requirement. If a player passes both, he is a qualifier, and eligible to play. If a player passes one, but not the other (say he had a good test, but didn't have an adequate core curriculum, or say he had a good GPA and core curriculum, but did poorly on the test), he is a partial qualifier. If a person completes neither, he is a non-qualifier. Now that they have switched to a sliding scale, the whole "partial-qualifier" term is someone muddled, though.

As I understand it, a partial qualifier can only get aid if they go to JUCO or Division II, so while Cloud can attend Toledo, he can't get an athletic scholarship (though he could still get need-based aid). A non-qualifier can't practice or go to team meetings, but a partial qualifier can, though he has to sit out a full year until he demonstrates adequate academic progress.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/22/2015 1:54:45 PM

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2015/06/22/matt-seymour-harp.../

Seymour looks to be taking a greyshirt with us and coming in January.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/24/2015 6:34:38 AM

L.C. wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Thanks for the explanation. I had heard the phrase "partial qualifiers," but I never knew exactly what it meant before. Now I understand perfectly.

More or less then what is happening is Marshall and Toledo view their academics as easy as a Junior College and are letting players who don't meet the NCAA minimum like many of their regular students don't enroll as normal students. It must not account against their APR if the student isn't on scholarship that year. Ohio sounds like its going the more responsible route by pushing the partial qualifier to a JUCO where they can get some aid and a better chance at succeeding academically.

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RE: Recruiting class of 2015 arriving this weekend

Posted: 6/24/2015 11:44:18 AM

And this gets us back to our buddy up north. Are PJs 3 -star recruits mostly partial or non qualifiers? If they are qualifiers how is this guy doing it? It just seems like a bunch of the top guys we offer never see campus. So, even those classes that look good on paper end up not being so good. Just wondering...

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