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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sad, this time: Annual evidence that
   Posted: 5/27/2015 9:36:45 PM 
L.C. wrote:
The number I'd like to see, and the number we'll never see, is the more useful number, "Dollars from ticket sales". That would give a far better idea as to what games are the best to schedule, and also, as to the health of the program. Here are some possible examples:

1. Let's say EMU sells 15,000 tickets to Pepsi for $1 each, so that they can meet NCAA guidelines by reporting "attendance of 15,000". The $15,000 they get from Pepsi does add to the 2,000 real tickets sold at, say, $15 ea, but the total purse of $45,000 shows the true picture.

2. Let's say that for Pitt, Ohio has 24,500 in the stands. Of those, 8,000 are students, and in free, while the other 16,500 pay $18 average, for a total purse of $297,000.

3. Let's say that for U.Conn, there are 24,500 in the stands. Again, there are 8,000 students, but this time there are 14,500 that paid $18, and 2,000 that paid only $5 because of a last minute drive to "sell out". Now the total gate is $271,000.

4. Let's say that for Marshall they bump the ticket price to $25. Of course, some of the season tickets, like the family pack, drop the average price, so call the average $22. Let's say there are 23,500, again, using 8,000 students. Thus we have total revenue of $341,000.

Figured this way, the record games would be somewhat different than the way they are reported now. I think that the gap between where Ohio is and where most of the rest of the MAC is, in terms of attendance, would appear far wider if you looked at revenue instead of looking at "reported attendance".


Back in the Pitt day, 14,500 people did not buy a ticket for $18. At best we had 5,000 season tickets at about $10 a ticket. You could go to Kroger or Wendy's and get a handful of free tickets. I know I did and handed them out at the Green and White tailgate.
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ts1227
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sad, this time: Annual evidence that
   Posted: 5/31/2015 12:01:42 AM 
L.C. wrote:
As for occasionally having a "Home Game" in Cleveland, that might work. NIU has done it very successfully, but some other schools that have tried it have had less success.


We did it for basketball in 2006, our "home" part of a 1 and 1 with Cincinnati was in Cleveland over Christmas break (Dec. 30), and it worked well in my opinion (and we won) - NOTE: I had turned 21 3 days before the game, my opinion may have been a bit hazy.

The biggest failure was BG putting football games in Crew Stadium on Black Friday a few years ago. Their thought was maybe they could draw better in the city for the holiday, realistically no one in Columbus gives a damn about them, and no one gives a damn about anything on Black Friday, so it was a massive failure. Just be smart about the dates. You can draw decent over breaks, just don't set it on the actual holiday.

Mike Johnson wrote:
Several of the biggest crowds were for a weak FBS New Mexico State and some FCSers.


I think a few of those (and UConn) were Opening Weeekends when were on quarters, so they were rammed down the incoming freshman (and their families) throats, usually combined with aggressive pricing. I remember walking my students to the 2006 opener as an RA in the Convo, as we were told to push it/do so. The calendar switch will hurt that, as most home openers will be a few weeks into the semester., harder to build it

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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sad, this time: Annual evidence that
   Posted: 5/31/2015 12:50:03 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Back in the Pitt day, 14,500 people did not buy a ticket for $18. At best we had 5,000 season tickets at about $10 a ticket. You could go to Kroger or Wendy's and get a handful of free tickets. I know I did and handed them out at the Green and White tailgate.

So, Alan, care to take a crack at guestimating what the real revenue was for any of the big attendance games? Would the Marshall game in 2013 have been the record setter for actual revenue?


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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sad, this time: Annual evidence that
   Posted: 5/31/2015 1:56:45 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Back in the Pitt day, 14,500 people did not buy a ticket for $18. At best we had 5,000 season tickets at about $10 a ticket. You could go to Kroger or Wendy's and get a handful of free tickets. I know I did and handed them out at the Green and White tailgate.

So, Alan, care to take a crack at guestimating what the real revenue was for any of the big attendance games? Would the Marshall game in 2013 have been the record setter for actual revenue?


Also, did Kroger pay something for those tickets? Or, was it just in exchange for venue and program advertising?


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