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Topic: RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Topic: RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

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OU77BCJ
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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/7/2015 12:24:16 PM

Yet as I set and read all this, I look up and it is OSU hoodie, two shirts for sale. As I look right, OSU hoodie, two shirts and a hat. Is BA supporting OSU whith the adds they sell? I quess what I'm saying is I'm Ohio all the way, no matter who we are playing. But, I'm also an OSU fan except when playing Ohio. Some will say you are supporting the evil empire, I guess I am. Just like BA when they have ads on our site for OSU.

Last Edited: 1/7/2015 12:31:33 PM by OU77BCJ

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/7/2015 12:35:28 PM

D.A. wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

I'm beginning to think OHIO has more problems with recognition in certain parts of the Buckeye State (notable up near the Mistake on the Lake) and in some bordering states than we do elsewhere. This is kind of puzzling, but the ink that OSU gets in the Ohio press, as discussed elsewhere in this thread, probably has something to do with it. Sports journalism in Ohio is not exactly balanced, and this goes back a long, long time. I can remember back in the early '60s when a certain team in Southwestern Ohio had a pretty darn good basketball team, but the state media just slobbered over Jerry Lucas and his teammates and even after the Bearcats defeated the Buckeyes, they got less coverage than the school in Cowtown. Then this past year, OSU was defeated in the NCAA by Dayton; yet, this year how much statewide coverage has Dayton received compared to the Evil Empire? This is not good journalism.

Great point, and as related to my earlier long post and the comments of the person I cited, I feel that OHIO has a significant "opportunity" to increase its marketing presence in state, and is clearly presently under-performing, at least to my taste. The press will do OHIO no favors relative to tOSU's positioning.

I resigned from the Alumni Association Board of Directors a couple of years ago, and in my resignation letter I stated that I felt the largest issue the Alumni Association faced was capturing and retaining the share of mind with our in state alumni relative to our alumni's view of tOSU, and felt that tOSU and its prominence (particularly in the press) was a serious threat to our success in keeping our alumni engaged in OHIO. Many of my peers on the Board contacted me after reading my letter and stated politely that they had no idea what I was talking about, not understanding why I could feel so. Many of my 20 peers on the Board were open about their dual allegiance to OHIO and tOSU, and most were not diploma holders of the Scourge on the Scioto. Many of them are living examples of my point.

My message to them: Many of OUr alumni hold the view that while they love OHIO, they also view tOSU as being in the "big leagues", primarily related to athletics but also in academics. I believe that much of this can be attributed to the fact that tOSU is regularly in the press in all markets across the state, and it puts the other state institutions at a competitive disadvantage in getting out their message and competing for a share of voice.

The passage of the Eagleson Bill in 1906 by the Ohio Legislature solidified tOSU's advantage in becoming the state's flagship, assuring it of a funding advantage from the state FOREVER and establishing that it would be the only school allowed to offer doctoral education or conduct basic research for an extended timeline. Those things cemented tOSU as being the largest institution in the state. This of course extended to its acceptance into the largely closed club of AAU shortly thereafter. Unfortunately, many of our alumni equate quantity with quality, and fail to acknowledge that our alma mater is nationally prominent in many fields, and is worthy of praise beyond tOSU in many disciplines.

I hear folks stating here that they justify their support of tOSU because they play "big boy sports", and we are in the "minor leagues", and there is nothing you can say to be more condescending to our student athletes that are investing daily just as much as their ICA peers in Cowtown. I am of the opinion that many of our pedestrian alumni also allow this view to seep into their opinions regarding our academic status as well, which is incredibly condescending to our administration, faculty and staff, not to mention students AND alumni, and it frankly pisses me off.

I've unfortunately accepted that our largest problem in competing with tOSU has less to do with tOSU itself, and more to do with the fact that many of our alumni simply do not take OHIO seriously, and don't wear OHIO's achievements as a badge of honor both in academics and athletics, but primarily in academics. They love the campus, they love the town, they love their experience during their time on campus, but they don't own and promote the history and OUr academic achievements past and present. It is simply too easy for them to fall in line with the endless litany of tOSU press and accept the prevailing (and often flawed) sentiment of the general populace.

What OHIO has achieved it has done without the legislated advantage that State has had for over a hundred years, and I find that to be incredibly admirable, more so than simply having a built in advantage against its competitors. If we as alumni don't take OHIO as a serious enterprise and act as its largest cheerleaders, then why should we expect anyone else to take OHIO as serious as they do tOSU?

As I believe you know, Dave, you long ago earned my respect. Still, I found troubling some elements of your post. Foremost, I detected a degree of whining. I also found myself disagreeing with some of your conclusions as, for example, your charge that "many of our alumni do not take Ohio seriously." In your view, I'm not sure what you mean by "many." As an involved alum for many years, my conclusion is that most Ohio alums do take Ohio seriously.

To be sure, Ohio can and should continue to strengthen itself and its ability to serve students. Heck, back in 1990, I was first invited to guest lecture after I sent a letter in which I pointed out some gaps in curriculum that existed back in my student days. Some of those gaps have since been closed.

Few universities, if any, don't have such gaps, and the best are continuously working to close them and strengthen processes and products.

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/7/2015 12:51:16 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

[QUOTE=OUPride]

1. OSU is not Berkeley, or anywhere close to it.
2. I can name at least two doctoral programs at OHIO that are nationally ranked. Can you?

You're right that OSU is not Berkeley, but it is the closest thing Ohio has. Who is going to fulfill that role? Ohio? Miami? Akron? Sometimes, I think people would rather Ohio simply not have a first rate flagship, research university rather than have it be OSU.

Off the top of my head, I would say Avionics and Journalism. Those would be the two that I would say are both ranked and more importantly carry a national reputation. I'm sure that many other doctoral programs at Ohio, UC, Toledo are ranked somewhere. The question is how many outside of Columbus have a true national reputation--say ranked in the top 30?

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/7/2015 12:57:56 PM

Mike Johnson wrote:

No worries Mike, interpret away. When I say "many", I am not implying most, simply a level that is both shocking and disappointing to me. And I am not stating that we don't have gaps and cannot improve, as we certainly do, as you note. However, as soon as we stop trying to be better and just accept ourselves in our present state, and assume that others can or are doing what we are not, then we are doomed as an institution.

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And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/7/2015 1:26:40 PM

Out here, the vast majority of people who notice my Ohio jacket will comment something about Ohio State. I guess we change the narrative one person at a time. Unfortunately, that will do little to change the perception that Ohio doesn't exist in the minds of the vast majority of people.
I have an additional problem here as well-a guy comes up to me after noticing my OU cap and says "Go Sooners". I guess he didn't notice the green color.

Last Edited: 1/7/2015 1:27:42 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/7/2015 1:43:30 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

RJ, is it good journalism to have almost daily preseason stories on the OSU basketball team run on the state AP wire and virtually none on Dayton, last year's best Buckeye State basketball team?

Media's role is not to create demand - that's called marketing. Dayton doesn't get coverage in Columbus because it's a mid-sized school 80 miles from the city without a huge number of alumni in the region. They don't have many fans there, so why would the Dispatch devote any effort to covering them? For media outlets to make the money they desperately need just to suvive, they deliver what their consumers want. If MAC fans read and commented on articles more often, they would get more page views and generate more revenue which would lead to more coverage. That doesn't happen and that's a problem of a lack of an audience, not the lack of coverage. There is a glut of OSU content because there's a proven demand for it.

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/7/2015 2:06:04 PM

OUPride wrote:

Didn't Fingerhut and Strickland designate it as such when the University System of Ohio was implemented?

I think they tried to but were unsuccessful (someone feel free to set the record straight if that isn't true). Instead, they killed quarters, and for that crime their names should forever be cursed.

#Quarters4Lyfe

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/7/2015 3:15:15 PM

C Money wrote:

OUPride wrote:

Didn't Fingerhut and Strickland designate it as such when the University System of Ohio was implemented?

You are correct, C Money. In Strickland's defense, let me say, that he did use a good deal of political capital, and probably lost some votes in Cleveland, by funding the Nelsonville Bypass with Obama stimulus funds. I might add that it was one of few actual "shovel ready" projects funded by the stimulus money. All the engineering work, land purchases and environmental clearances had been done, but the original money to finish it had been diverted to other projects and it was just sitting there on a very, very slow track to completion that just kept getting pushed back further and further on the timetable.

OUPride: Is it written in stone anywhere that every state should have a flagship institution? The Ohio model is more one of diversification. While OSU has more ranked programs, a number of other schools have excellent programs in certain areas. What's wrong with spreading the wealth around a little? ;-) The two OHIO doctoral programs that I was referring to that are nationally ranked are journalism and osteopathic medicine. Depending on the source, you will find Scripps ranked anywhere from fifth to eighteenth. OU-HCOM is routinely ranked in the top three of osteopathic medical schools, of which there are now more than 25. I didn't realize that avionics had a doctoral program, but I do know about its national reputation. You might be interest to know that when OHIO started its doctoral program, the Ohio Board of Regents told OSU that they couldn't start one. I believe this was the first time -- and perhaps still is the only time -- that OBR ever ruled in such a way against OSU. The Evil Empire's reaction was what you might expect. They dropped their independent school of journalism, and then shoved what was left of the j-program into a broader communication program. It was almost a if-you-can't-beatem-take-your-ball-home reaction.

Last Edited: 1/7/2015 3:20:33 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/7/2015 3:29:40 PM

OU77BCJ wrote:

OU77BCJ, I encourage you to research how the content of such ads are placed on a website. (Hint: your searches & browsing drive the content)

Secondly, get an ad blocking extension for your browser. Life with no annoying ads is splendid.

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/7/2015 10:42:42 PM

Could care less about the ads on there as every once in a while there is something interesting. As being on there because of my searches or content, Hint, I have never been to Dick's Sporting Goods on my computer nor Harrison College or any of the other sites that show there. But there again I don't know much about computers, oh well.

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/7/2015 11:02:49 PM

What happens is that an ad service, say doubleclick, will give you a cookie with a number that identifies you, and your computer stores it. Each time you visit a site that uses ads from doubleclick, doubleclick will ask for your ID, and your computer will find it in the cookie, and reply with it. Doubleclick then adds that site to ones that it knows you have visited, and it slowly builds a profile of the kinds of sites you visit.

Next, based on that profile, it will look at it's advertisers, and try to find one that you might be interested in. Sometimes it doesn't find anything too relevant, and you get something random. The more complete it's profile of you is, the better targeted the ads become. The connections may be indirect, of course. Let's say you have been visiting travel sites, you might get ads for cameras, or sun block, or clothing, things that might be peripherally related.

It is all done with a great deal of forethought, with the goal of making the ads more effective for advertisers, and more apt to be interesting to you.

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/9/2015 5:07:10 PM

No, no and no. For the reasons already stated. Most of their fans think every other school in the state is sh-t. They believe it's their birthright to not only win every game, but to win every game by 50 points. They also think people are more obligated to root for them than to root for the school they attended. And a lot of people who did attend other schools in Ohio go right along with that thinking.

So for mental health reasons, I don't debate their fans and I don't watch their games. I won't be watching Monday night. Plenty of good stuff on DVR.

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/9/2015 10:02:23 PM

just saw this on facebook posted by a page called We are Ohio State Fans-

https://represent.com/stlylohoalk?utm_campaign=fintsct

forget about how some of us feel about OUr name being misappropriated for a moment and just look at this from a Buckeye fan's point of view- why does it not bother them that their school is so often referred to by the wrong name? I don't get it.

MY STATE. MY TEAM.

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/10/2015 8:59:14 AM

HELL NO

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Posted: 1/11/2015 4:37:16 PM

Every time I walk by a rack of osu buckeye shirts/apparel in a store - I just want to throw em' on the floor and stomp on em"!

GO DUCKS!

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Posted: 1/11/2015 5:18:46 PM

And one more thought:

GO DUCKS! Make all the O$U fans and media and earl bruce (Old "9-3") cry!

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/12/2015 8:55:01 AM

I attended a local high school basketball game last Friday night. At the end of the 3rd period the announcer mentioned the upcoming game and told everyone to stand while "hang on sloopy" was played. The game was in Ohio in the Upper Ohio Valley. Only about 60-65% stood or clapped. I remained seated and did not participate, as did most around me. I was impressed.

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/12/2015 9:07:13 AM

ou79 wrote:

This is hilarious. Standing for "Hang On Sloopy"? A little perspective, people.

Next thing you know, someone will ask us to remove our hats for Alma Mater Ohio like it's the national anthem or something.

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/12/2015 9:45:56 AM

As the one who started this thread, I feel I have to weigh in on tonight's game. I really hated Alabama and the SEC, more than I couldn't stand Ohio State, so I found myself rooting for OSU in the Sugar Bowl. Tonight? Not so much. If OSU loses I won't shed any tears, that's for sure. I'm sort of "meh". I'm just happy that the Broncos and Peyton Manning lost yesterday.

Edit: I've already gotten flack in the office today for not wearing any OSU gear, to which I am prOUd to say that I own NONE. Then someone in the office said "with all the Cleveland area players on Ohio State aren't you rooting for them?" To which I replied "well, Pharoah Brown of Lyndhurst, OH is on the Oregon Ducks as a tight end so I guess I will root for him as he lives in my neighborhood." The Ohio State fan left shaking his head.

Last Edited: 1/12/2015 9:57:54 AM by Mark Lembright '85

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/12/2015 10:03:59 AM

Bobcatbob wrote:

. . . Next thing you know, someone will ask us to remove our hats for Alma Mater Ohio like it's the national anthem or something.

I think you are being sarcastic here, but you've actually hit on a pet peeve of mine. I was always taught to stand and take off my hat for not only Alma Mater Ohio, but also for the opponent's alma mater if it was played by their band. I've noticed that very few still adhere to this common courtesy and sign of respect. I've also noticed that at our games the announcer -- BA's very own Army grunt -- actually has to remind the men to take off their hats for the national anthem.

Last Edited: 1/12/2015 10:05:22 AM by OhioCatFan

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Posted: 1/12/2015 10:42:03 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

I was always taught to stand and take off my hat for not only Alma Mater Ohio, but also for the opponent's alma mater if it was played by their band. I've noticed that very few still adhere to this common courtesy and sign of respect.

Is this common? Because I would have had no idea I was supposed to remove my hat had it not been announced.

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Posted: 1/12/2015 10:55:41 AM

I am guilty of sitting during the opponent's alma mater.

In this case, I know that I am being disrespectful towards the opponent. I just don't care.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/12/2015 11:21:30 AM

More on national anthem protocol. Recently passed legislation says that during the anthem's playing veterans in civilian clothing should feel free to hold a military salute instead of placing right hand over heart.

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Posted: 1/12/2015 2:18:44 PM

ou79 wrote:

Try going to a game in Cleveland, or shall I say the northern suburb of Ohio State. "Hang on Sloopy" is played at all Indians, Cavaliers and Browns games. And the lemmimgs eat it up. Gets one of the biggest reactions of the game.

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RE: Are you rooting for Ohio State to win the National Championship?

Posted: 1/12/2015 2:32:36 PM

No, absolutely never.

I could write a term paper at least 10 pages long detailing the numerous reasons why. Here are some of the more explicit reasons.

The long time arrogance of their egotistical fans. To listen to most of them tosu is always #1 (even if they lose), and all other schools in Ohio are not even worth talking about.

You can be with a group of tosu fans at a party and talk sports. You will listen to them talk non-stop for 20 minutes about the latest games that the Buckeyes have played in football and basketball recently. Then you try to bring up the Cats big win yesterday and the response is that no one cares about that, and we don't have time to talk about those little schools. And then they go back to talking about tosu again, ad nauseum.

If you live in Ohio, you are automatically expected to root for Ohio State, but Ohio State people almost never root for the Bobcats or any other Ohio school, especially when the Ohio team is doing good and receiving national attention.

The Columbus media, which very certainly counts Athens and Ohio University's sphere of influence in its daily circulation area, has given Bobcat sports extremely miniscule quality coverage over all the years, even with an Ohio alum as one of its major TV sports anchors for several decades not that long ago.

The stranglehold on the media around the state where local newspapers, TV, and radio will cover tosu first and foremost before covering their own local Div. 1 schools. I've seen this in Dayton, Toledo, Cleveland, and Akron, as well as smaller local newspapers. Cincinnati is the lone exception to this, and this really angers the tosu fans down there who cant understand why the local media would have the audacity to put UC and Xavier ahead of tosu.

The arrogance of tosu seldom playing other Ohio schools, and when they do so, it must only be in Columbus, and with Big 10 officials in control. The Buckeye basketball team last played in Athens way back in the early 1970's. They did paly in Athens once since then in the NIT, but that wasn't of their own choosing. They were placed here by the NIT Committee,

Cincinnati beats the great Lucas-led tosu teams for the National Championship not once, but two years in a row in 1961 and 1962 and then tosu refuses to play UC in basketball for the next 50 years or so.

The stranglehold on the people of Ohio where the media has carefully crafted the impression that tosu is the only school in the state of Ohio with a major sports program, and that Ohio, Toledo, Bowling Green, etc. are perceived as being "all-you-others" at Division 3. Thus if you are an excellent prep athlete and have aspirations of making it to the NFL or NBA, the media tells you that tosu is your only option if you want to play in the state of Ohio. The media keeps it rather quiet about the Ohio and MAC players who not only make to the big-time, but also excel on the big stage.

And of course there are students at Ohio University who wear Ohio State clothing to class and around campus and are proud to do so. And you regularly see sports fans who are Ohio alums in Central Ohio who haven't been to an Ohio game in many years, but wouldn't dare miss a tosu game, and proudly wear the scarlet & gray around town where they live.

The list goes on and on, but the above are some of the major reasons.

Go Oregon !!!

Last Edited: 1/12/2015 2:35:13 PM by DXer

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