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Topic: RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

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Monroe Slavin
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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/2/2014 8:32:39 PM

Watch--give it perhaps two years.

Hey, that's not an irrational thought if with a new, apparently talented coach coming on if our side can, after ten years and a diminishing number of wins per season lately, project great glory soon.

I would not at all be surprised to see Miami or Buffalo beat us to a MAC title.

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/2/2014 8:37:39 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

So, you have nothing to base it upon? More BS you threw up hoping it would stick.

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/2/2014 10:05:40 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

So, you have nothing to base it upon? More BS you threw up hoping it would stick.

Please forgive Monroe. He's in a time warp. He thinks Knorr is still coach and we have a neophyte who doesn't know how to build a winning team. Hmm . . . I suppose it's possible that at the end of the 2012 season some alien scientists transplanted Knorr's brain into Frank and that explains why we've had two down seasons. Or, it's possible that we had locker room issues last year and the eighth youngest team in FBS football this year. Pick the explanation that you think fits the known facts best. We report . . . you decide! ;-)

Last Edited: 12/2/2014 10:06:45 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 9:46:20 AM

OCF, I am not going to look it up but I believe ALL the most recent MAC winners have had the up and coming young coach who has won a MAC East (except us), Wasn't it Gil at Buffs, the guy at Miami who went to Pitt, Clawson from BG and maybe Hazel at Kent? Then, there is the succession of coaches at NIU. Add Fleck at WMU and the Ball State guy. Face it, the MAC, for years, has been a training ground for young coaches who move on to the Big5 Conference teams. Just look at all the former MAC coaches at programs in the Top 20.

With FS, Ohio decided to go in a different direction. Get a guy who could build a program. I'd say over 10 years FS has done that. The question is: can he get us a MACC once every three or four or five or ten years? He has NOT proven that yet. But, that's really about all most on BA are looking for.

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 10:40:35 AM

Casper71 wrote:

The only problem is that most of those coaches you mentioned failed miserably at their next stop after leaving the MAC. Not saying you're wrong, but that's the argument that will get brought up. Just wait for it...wait for it...

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 12:21:57 PM

GoCats...just a couple of current examples-Saban was in the MAC and Pinkell at Missou too. There have been many others go to BIG10 and other schools over the years where some succeeded and some failed.

In the next year or so Fleck will be the next to move on. The point was GOOD YOUNG FOOTBALL COACHES cut their teeth in the MAC and then go elsewhere to ply their trade (win or lose). OHIO simply chose NOT to follow that model with the FS hire. Not making any judgements on the approach just pointing it out.

Mark Lembright '85
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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 12:43:16 PM

Casper71 wrote:

And don't forget Urban Meyer at BG. I think the point is well taken. If Leopold is as good as some think, its very possible Buffalo wins a MACC before Ohio. As it is Buffalo only finished a half game behind Ohio this year anyway. I'm just saying it's possible, not probable.

Would that be an indictment of Coach Solich? Depends on your point of view. If the sole goal is a MACC, then the answer's yes.

If the goal is to resurrect a football program (and resurrect is the correct term in Ohio's situation), represent the University well, win meaningful games periodically and consistently be in the hunt for either a MAC East Division crown or the MACC, then the answer's no, it's not an indictment of Solich.

I'm in the later camp. Others are not and that's their right.

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 12:52:06 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Casper71 wrote:

I think you've summed it up well, Mark. It all comes down to what your goal is. And there are two camps on this board. I was in one camp, but lately I've been leaning toward another camp. By the way, I'm not a big fan of camping. Bad experience at Tuscazoar.

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 4:12:43 PM

Mark...I didn't even want to go into all the other ex MAC guys going all the way back to Bo from Miami to Mich. My point is historically this Conference has had young guys who WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS and move on. Then, it is up to the next guy.

I just can't understand why ALL our hires in the lost and forgotten years were so bad. The odds should be you get one or two good ones in 35 or 40 years. We didn't,

FS has resurrected the program and he was a different kind of hire. But, after 10 years, I see this program going nowhere. Again, I like FS and what he has dome for FB. It is at least fun to watch most game days. I just have a feeling this staff has hit a glass ceiling and won't go any further than it has already.

So, when the time comes let's bring in a young guy and win at least one championship this decade!

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 4:19:13 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Casper71 wrote:

That Buffalo finished 1/2 game behind Ohio is irrelevant. The two schools are going in different directions. Buffalo graduates 21 seniors, 17 who were on the two deep. They lose starters at WR, FB, C, LG, LT, NG, DE, ILB, ILB, S, S, CB & PK. Ohio loses WR, WR, DT, DT, S,& S.

Last Edited: 12/3/2014 4:20:24 PM by Bcat2

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Mark Lembright '85
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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 4:48:23 PM

Casper71 wrote:

And truth be told I'd be OK with that, so long as the coach was above board and did things the right way, no NCAA sanctions, football players graduate with a degree, blah blah blah. I still have my suspicions about WMU....

And if Coach Solich's successor is a bright young coach who wins a MACC and leaves after a 4-5 tenure, then that's just the same as what we've had on the Men's hoops side of athletics anyway.

That being said, there are very, very few coaches who when they stay at one school for a decade or longer, consistently win every single year at that school. I recall seeing something on Ohiobobcats.com this week that said that by finishing 6-6 this year, Ohio was only one of four Gang of 5 colleges to have a winning or bowl eligible season 6 years in a row. Me thinks that if some of these bright young coaches that we all like actually stayed at their MAC school for 10 years straight (instead of heading for greener pastures) they might have a clunker of a season here or there during their stay.

Last Edited: 12/3/2014 4:50:18 PM by Mark Lembright '85

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 4:54:43 PM

Casper71 wrote:

That is exactly correct. I don't see anything controversial here.

Casper71 wrote:

With FS, Ohio decided to go in a different direction. Get a guy who could build a program. I'd say over 10 years FS has done that. The question is: can he get us a MACC once every three or four or five or ten years? He has NOT proven that yet. But, that's really about all most on BA are looking for.

Well, he has won the MAC East 3 times in 10 years, or about once every 3 years. If he keeps doing that, he will win a MACC, too.

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Even if Leipold is as good as I think, he still will need 3-4 years to be competitive. He loses a good portion of his team this year, as Bcat2 pointed out. I suspect he's a very good recruiter, but, even if his 2016 class is great, it will take awhile for them to be back at the top.

Casper71 wrote:

...I just can't understand why ALL our hires in the lost and forgotten years were so bad. The odds should be you get one or two good ones in 35 or 40 years. We didn't,

Well, Ohio did get one good one in that span, Grobe.

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 5:21:00 PM

Also, Brian Burke wasn't that bad. The problems started with the Cleve Bryant hire, which truth be told, I was an early and loud advocate for. [I even wrote a memo to Mack telling him about Cleve's potential availability, before there was any mention publicly that he might be a candidate.] Bryant was a complete disaster. Mack, to his credit, wanted to hire Glenn Mason, who later withdrew his candidacy when he saw the direction things were going. Where do you think we'd be today if we'd hired Glenn? I don't think we would have had the Wilderness Years. You might call it the Bobcat Football Lost Generation. However, for both alumni loyalty and other obvious reasons, Charlie Ping, decided to go with Cleve. As I was to discover, not only was Cleve not a good head football coach, he did just the opposite of what Frank has done, he built a culture of what I might call "football corruption." [might not be the best choice of words, but it's real close.] PapaL tried to restore things, but he had just too big a hole to climb out of. He was not capable of changing the culture, improving recruiting and making good game-day coaching decisions in a synergistic manner. Then came the "steady the ship" era with Grobe who was able to end the Wilderness Years and bring us a measure of respectability. Knorr almost returned us to the Wilderness, but McDavis came in and righted the ship once more. It's interesting that the two best and the one worst coaching hire in this period were made at the presidential level: Bryant, Grobe and Solich. In the long run, the stability and the continuity of the Solich years is much better than the chaos before him. He's far and away the best coach we've had since Hess, with all due respect to Grobe, who is a good coach that I greatly admire.

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 7:06:37 PM

I'm irked by the opinion that we should be happy for what we have now because at least we're not longer in the wilderness (I think we had 17 wins in 10 years at one point--not a misprint).

That we are no longer the worst is not good enough.

We can't even end the year, after 10 years of the current staff, any better than ranked about #100--that's satisfactory, really?!

Come on and hit me with 'progress...next year' again.

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 9:03:26 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Just for ***** and giggles I thought I'd look up Hess' record at Ohio. In year #9 he was only 5-5. One would have thought after 9 years he could have made better progress than that, right? I have to think people were calling for his head then too. Then, in year #10 he was only 6-4. That's not satisfactory progress after a decade! I mean geez. Interestingly, in year #11 (thank goodness he coached in the 60s because in today's world he might not have made it to year #11) he was 10-1.

My point is this. All good coaches, if they stay at one school long enough, have peaks and valleys. Hess did and most of this board thinks he's the greatest coach Ohio's ever had. I have no idea if Solich will duplicate Hess' feat but I think he's earned the right to try and do so.

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/3/2014 11:06:31 PM

Hess
Peden
Solich

These are OHIO's greatest football coaches, along with the GA that coached OHIO in 1897. ;-)

Speaking of ancient OHIO football: Why don't we have a banner somewhere in the stadium saluting OHIO QB Arthur Carr circa 1905? He was probably the first African American collegiate QB in the nation, unless one of the historically black colleges started football that early. He went on to graduate from Howard University Medical School and became a well-known physician and medical educator.

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/19/2014 10:42:32 PM

He got another D3 Championship on his way out tonight to boot. 43-34 over Mount Union.

The Kehres family may buy Leipold his plane ticket to Buffalo just to be sure he gets the hell out of Whitewater as soon as possible.

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/20/2014 10:45:19 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

In Monore-esq style, I will bump my good point.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/21/2014 1:32:45 AM

Wouldn't it be cool if one could not plausibly make an argument that the present football was not a better coach than at least two of our other sports. webb. boldon.

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/21/2014 9:01:46 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Wouldn't it be cool if one could not plausibly make an argument that the present football was not a better coach than at least two of our other sports. webb. boldon.

Is there a rule that says football has to be our most successful program?

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/21/2014 11:44:59 PM

Yes.

OCF--nice self-bump!

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/22/2014 10:10:40 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Yes.

OCF--nice self-bump!

Thanks, Monroe.

Now, to clarify, the part of my post that I was "self bumping" was the part about a banner recognizing Arthur Carr. Perhaps if a few of us would write the AD, it might happen before next season. It just seems to me a no-brainer. Or, we could just assume that Jim Schaus is reading BA daily and has already picked up on the idea. ;-)

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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/26/2014 9:59:45 AM

Ohio Cat Fan's December 3 post is by far the best; the most reasoned, concise, and objective summary of Ohio football Burke-2014 that I've yet read on this
Message Board. Right on, and let's see more of this analysis as we move into 2015.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Buffaloh Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/26/2014 9:29:23 PM

No MAC Championship in 10 years.

UNACCEPTABLE.

Deal with it. And deal with it now.

OhioCatFan
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RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach

Posted: 12/27/2014 5:49:38 PM

fansince49 wrote:

Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate it. I try sometimes put things in perspective. I guess I occasionally succeed. ;-)

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