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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
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  Message Not Read  Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 11/30/2014 9:22:33 PM 
Buffalo hires Wisconsin-Whitewater's Lance Leipold as new head coach. Slam dunk hire.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/11/28/buffalo-bul...

(Sorry, I should have made the subject line "TOS to Wisconsin-Whitewater")

Last Edited: 11/30/2014 9:23:33 PM by bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 11/30/2014 9:46:57 PM 
That program just got much better. The guy is an excellent coach.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 11/30/2014 9:55:39 PM 
Mount Union may burn down their campus in excitement. This guy may be the only person in recorded history that Mount Union just could not beat (they did once in 6 tries with Leipold as UW-W HC)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 11/30/2014 10:17:15 PM 
It sounds like the guy Eastern Michigan hired last season. They made a statement hire with Bobby Hurley in basketball but I guess they don't want to try in football. Brian Kelly moved successfully from Grand Valley State to win at Central Michigan after having coaching contacts across the state. Buffalo doesn't have the players like that in the backyard and needs a guy who can pull them in Florida.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 11/30/2014 10:41:15 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
It sounds like the guy Eastern Michigan hired last season. They made a statement hire with Bobby Hurley in basketball but I guess they don't want to try in football. Brian Kelly moved successfully from Grand Valley State to win at Central Michigan after having coaching contacts across the state. Buffalo doesn't have the players like that in the backyard and needs a guy who can pull them in Florida.


Florida is not the key to winning a MAC title.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 12/1/2014 1:14:55 PM 
He's yet another of Frank's hires that has done well. He was a recruiting coordinator under Solich while at Nebraska. I was hoping Ohio could get him after Frank retired, but I am not surprised he has moved up already. There was little more he could do at the division III level.

FWIW, Solich assistants that have gone on to be Division I head coaches are Bo Pelini, Scott Downing, Turner Gill, Derek Mason, Carl Pelini, and now Lance Leipold,

EDIT plus Craig Bohl.

Note that I'm not saying these people are head coach material because they were hired by Solich. I'm saying they got head coaching jobs because they deserved them, and it's interesting that, given the relatively low turnover he has in assistants, that so many went on to be head coaches.

Last Edited: 12/1/2014 4:57:55 PM by L.C.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 12/1/2014 1:21:09 PM 
Too bad we didn't get him. If you can consistently recruit and win at d3 with no athletic scholarships you can win anywhere. Keres never made the jump because of his alma mater, wasn't the case here.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 12/1/2014 2:01:47 PM 
L.C. wrote:
FWIW, Solich assistants that have gone on to be Division I head coaches are Bo Pelini, Scott Downing, Turner Gill, Derek Mason, Carl Pelini, and now Lance Leipold.


And Craig Bohl @ Wyoming, who I have read may be on the short list at Nebraska.
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   Posted: 12/1/2014 3:14:09 PM 
L.C., your mention of Turner Gill reminded me that he may be ready in a few years to jump up the coaching ranks a little. After his disastrous starts at Buffalo and Kansas, he seems to have matured as a coach at Liberty.

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If he's still at Liberty when Frank retires, I wonder if OHIO would consider him? I wonder if they should? What are your thoughts?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 12/1/2014 3:28:48 PM 
davepi2 wrote:
Too bad we didn't get him. If you can consistently recruit and win at d3 with no athletic scholarships you can win anywhere. Keres never made the jump because of his alma mater, wasn't the case here.



DIII is a real gamble, there is as much resource disparity there as there is in DI, and you need an admissions office and aid office that values athletics, (which many don't), then you need those DI transfer downs ;-)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 12/1/2014 5:06:11 PM 
C Money wrote:
And Craig Bohl @ Wyoming, who I have read may be on the short list at Nebraska.

I don't know how I forgot Bohl, but thanks. I added him to the post above.

OhioCatFan wrote:
If [Gill] he's still at Liberty when Frank retires, I wonder if OHIO would consider him? I wonder if they should? What are your thoughts?

I think Gill is a fine coach, and a very good man, but it may well be that he fits better at Liberty than he would fit anywhere else. It is entirely possible that he is very happy there, and has no interest in going elsewhere.

BTW, Liberty won their first round game in the FCS Championship game, beating JMU, after upsetting unbeaten Coastal Carolina to earn a playoff spot. I think it's their first ever appearance in the Championship

BillyTheCat wrote:
DIII is a real gamble, there is as much resource disparity there as there is in DI, and you need an admissions office and aid office that values athletics, (which many don't), then you need those DI transfer downs ;-)

Still, Leipold's record in DIII is pretty incredible. I'd have to think he'll be a great hire (and that he may move up again in a couple years).

Last Edited: 12/1/2014 5:16:22 PM by L.C.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 12/1/2014 6:10:23 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
davepi2 wrote:
Too bad we didn't get him. If you can consistently recruit and win at d3 with no athletic scholarships you can win anywhere. Keres never made the jump because of his alma mater, wasn't the case here.



DIII is a real gamble, there is as much resource disparity there as there is in DI, and you need an admissions office and aid office that values athletics, (which many don't), then you need those DI transfer downs ;-)


Especially those transfers down. Mt. Union has collected them in large numbers.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 12/1/2014 10:31:01 PM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
davepi2 wrote:
Too bad we didn't get him. If you can consistently recruit and win at d3 with no athletic scholarships you can win anywhere. Keres never made the jump because of his alma mater, wasn't the case here.



DIII is a real gamble, there is as much resource disparity there as there is in DI, and you need an admissions office and aid office that values athletics, (which many don't), then you need those DI transfer downs ;-)


Especially those transfers down. Mt. Union has collected them in large numbers.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 12/2/2014 12:17:31 AM 
Billy and others on here: Could Mt. Union and Wisconsin Whitewater be competitive with some Division II programs?
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   Posted: 12/2/2014 3:52:51 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Billy and others on here: Could Mt. Union and Wisconsin Whitewater be competitive with some Division II programs?
Good question of which I would think the answer is yes. Both Mt. and WW have trouble scheduling their one non-conference game every year. They both have tried to schedule a d2 team but it is not in the interest of a Ashland, Findley, or Ohio Dominican to play them since they are contenders for wild card positions in the playoffs. D2 has 24 teams in their playoffs by the way(GO ODU). I believe they would easily defeat many d2 teams such as Waslh, Malone, or Urbana(Urbana is a whole subject by itself as it would have closed if not bought out by Franklin University, place looks like a ghetto). D3 Wittenberg has played FCS Butler the last couple of years and almost beat them this year. Yes Butler plays in a league without athletic scholarships but it was still quite a step up for the boys from Springfield. I would say the answer then is a resounding yes especially with all the talent that is stockpiled at those schools. I think a greater question would be could they defeat a mid level FCS team. If they could then any conclusions from that point I will leave to someone else. One last thing this weeks opponent for Mt.(John Carroll) is a much better team then many in d2. Carroll has a great qb who would be welcome on any MAC team.

Last Edited: 12/2/2014 3:57:09 AM by davepi2
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   Posted: 12/2/2014 8:14:25 AM 
davepi2, so Urbana is no longer follows Swedenborgism?

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   Posted: 12/2/2014 8:37:44 AM 
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davepi2, so Urbana is no longer follows Swedenborgism?
I believe the university was only loosely affiliated with that movement over the last few decades. I am probably wrong on that time frame though. They don't run from their heritage though as their is at least one historical marker mentioning it at the school as well at the Johnny Appleseed museum. Fact is the school was in severe financial trouble and the sale was the only thing that saved it. Franklin allows the name too stay the same. Most depressing campus I have ever visited. I thought Wayne State was bad but this one sets a new low. You should see their gym, looks like something out of the 1950's.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Buffalo Hires New Coach
   Posted: 12/2/2014 9:33:41 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Billy and others on here: Could Mt. Union and Wisconsin Whitewater be competitive with some Division II programs?


"Some" is the key word, Jeff. The weakest Div.II teams likely would fall to Mount or Whitewater.

But I have watched D-III games and, even with the players who have transferred down from the higher divisions, I don't see the team speed or athleticism among linemen and DBs that would enable D-IIIs to compete with better D-IIs.

The question you've posed similarly applies to match-ups between FBS and FCS teams.

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   Posted: 12/2/2014 9:38:22 AM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Billy and others on here: Could Mt. Union and Wisconsin Whitewater be competitive with some Division II programs?


"Some" is the key word, Jeff. The weakest Div.II teams likely would fall to Mount or Whitewater.

But I have watched D-III games and, even with the players who have transferred down from the higher divisions, I don't see the team speed or athleticism among linemen and DBs that would enable D-IIIs to compete with better D-IIs.

The question you've posed similarly applies to match-ups between FBS and FCS teams.
Ferris State and Ohio Dominican would certainly be a much larger challenge for the Raiders the Tiffin or Lake Erie.
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   Posted: 12/2/2014 10:11:44 AM 
I sometimes wonder if Mount Union is simply the product of sitting in the middle of a football hotbead in NE Ohio or actually just that good at what they do. There's a ton of players from that area who don't get looks from bigger schools, so of course somebody as to scoop them up.
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   Posted: 12/2/2014 10:22:39 AM 
If the machine is going to lose a game before the championship then this is the week. Look for John Carroll to put up some numbers. Only lost by a touchdown the last couple of years so this could finally be the game. Mark Myers is the real deal, wish we had him.
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   Posted: 12/2/2014 11:38:46 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
I sometimes wonder if Mount Union is simply the product of sitting in the middle of a football hotbead in NE Ohio or actually just that good at what they do. There's a ton of players from that area who don't get looks from bigger schools, so of course somebody as to scoop them up.


Mount has 47 out of State kids on their roster, and they also have more Florida and California kids on their roster than OHIO has. Wisconsin White-Water is almost 100% Wisconsin kids.

Mike, you are spot on with your assements!
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   Posted: 12/2/2014 11:39:58 AM 
davepi2 wrote:
If the machine is going to lose a game before the championship then this is the week. Look for John Carroll to put up some numbers. Only lost by a touchdown the last couple of years so this could finally be the game. Mark Myers is the real deal, wish we had him.


New timing rule in college football cost JC a chance for one play from the 9 yd line to win the game in the regular season. Any other year before this one, they would have had 1 play!
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   Posted: 12/2/2014 4:35:25 PM 
Oh, no. Another new MAC hire and a team what may well be poised to pass our stagnant-to-regressing actual-results by.




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Monroe Slavin wrote:
Oh, no. Another new MAC hire and a team what may well be poised to pass our stagnant-to-regressing actual-results by.

#dealwithit



Back home we call this going off half-cocked.

Respectfully, please provide some backup for your claim Buffalo is poised to pass Ohio. I can provide a few details about Buffalo. They were one of two teams which lost to EMU. 21 seniors will graduate, 17 of which were on the two deep. Buffalo's defense loses four of the six from the three-man front. Further they will lose both starting safeties and two starting ILBs. Gone will be the starting center, LG and LT. Can we get Buffalo on the schedule twice?

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