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Topic: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Topic: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

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SBH
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I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/25/2014 5:11:14 PM

One of the worst running backs in recent memory, makes terrible decisions on special teams. How bad is Tim Edmond that he can't take PT away from this guy?

Hooligan
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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/25/2014 5:14:25 PM

Daz continues to make s***** decisions on punt returns and the coaches continue to make s***** decisions to put him out there.

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/25/2014 5:17:07 PM

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/25/2014 5:47:33 PM

I would like to see more Dorian Brown. He seems more physical and has better size.

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/25/2014 6:13:49 PM

Daz does well running to the outside, but he just isn't the everydown back that Oullette is or that Edmond could be. The coaching staff doesn't see it and perhaps never will. Also, I sort of hold my breath when he fields a punt or a kickoff. Against BG he fielded a punt over his head at the goal line. He wound up in the end zone and could've easily been tackled there, which might've been called a safety. He was lucky to get to the 18. In addition to the two blunders he made on kicks today, he fielded a kickoff three yds deep and decided to run it out. That means he had to go 28 yds to get the same yardage that a kneel-down would give the team. He didn't make it to the 15. He has enough experience now that he should be making better decisions.

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/25/2014 6:23:41 PM

Daz is a nice kid but we have to have another option. The Kent State fumble fest seems to have doomed Brown and Edmunds to the bench, but not Daz??

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 9:59:43 AM

In retrospect I think the decision to redshirt Maleek Irons was a mistake. Obviously WMU has not decided to Redshirt their young talent and are living in the present. The wait til next year strategy
has not served us well. Lots of Red shirt guys on our 7-5 team last year.

Last Edited: 10/26/2014 10:02:05 AM by ytownbobcat

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 11:06:37 AM

ytownbobcat wrote:

Do you really believe if the coaches did not think Irons was ready and could contribute that he would not be playing?

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 11:29:43 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

ytownbobcat wrote:

Do you really believe if the coaches did not think Irons was ready and could contribute that he would not be playing?

This is the staff that didn't know OUellette's relative ability and actually started Bates at qb for a game or three. And hasn't worked to get Bass any help. I'll let others add to the list. So, why do you think that they cannot be mistaken at points. No one is saying that every decision is a mistake. But to miss on some big, obvious things is not good. Not good. At what points--28 or so games--how much evidence before you yield to reality.

Last Edited: 10/26/2014 11:30:57 AM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 12:14:37 PM

How is it that our number one recruiting target (Irons) is not ready to contribute, but a walk on (Oulette) is good enough to start at RB?

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 1:16:06 PM

Bottom line, across all phases, this coaching staff has been performing at a C- for the better part of 2 years. Execution is coaching. Recruiting is coaching. These guys have had resources their predecessors could only dream about, yet they maxed out in early 2012. Our O and D lines are less than mediocre. Other teams seem physically bigger and stronger than us. Albin's play calling is a joke. Frank is famous for yanking players after they fumble (except Daz), but there's apparently no accountability among his buddies on the coaching staff. Hell, he even brought Ipshording back after the guy was a disaster (and bailed ASAP) in his first go-round. I used to attend every home game and several road games each year. I've already skipped two home games and am done for the season. Sad state of affairs.

Last Edited: 10/26/2014 5:08:49 PM by SBH

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 4:00:37 PM

Sorry to hear that you are bailing out SBH. Not surprised, but true colors come out when the s*** hits the fan. We have a young team, that is not as good as we have been in recent years. If you want to quit, and not come to anymore games.....so what, and you won't be missed. Our coaches and kids are working hard to get better, and it may or may not happen this week! True Bobcat fans will rally behind the effort !

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 4:32:03 PM

Probably because OUellette was not known at the time of recruiting, and hes probably starting because hes the best back they've got. Think about it he blocks well, has speed and can cut, he can catch, he holds on to the ball, and he runs to gain yards not dance around, and he gives that extra effort every play...may I say more? AND if you havent noticed everytime OUellette plays alot in a game we win once hes pulled out its like the whole offense dies down...thats to ytownbobcats comment.

Last Edited: 10/26/2014 4:33:14 PM by All Football

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 5:00:00 PM

doubledribble wrote:

SBH has been a true Bobcat for over 35 years. He supports OU with his presence and his pocketbook. There comes a time when loyalty is tested and strained. I'd much rather have a guy like SBH supporting OU than a blindly loyal "fan" who can't see the forest for the trees. With the resources that the current administration has committed to the big two sports, I expect results year in and year out. At this point in the game, there should be no rebuilding, just reloading. Volleyball seems to be able to do it.

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 6:47:45 PM

ytownbobcat wrote:

I would like to see more Dorian Brown. He seems more physical and has better size.

I thought Dorian would be the man this year. I like the way he runs a lot. Unfortunately he fumbled a lot early, I believe 3 times in his first 7 or 8 carries. I hope we see more of him, but I hope he hangs onto the ball.

As for Irons, remember, all players have an adjustment getting to the college level from high school. Maleek's high school schedule was goofy, and he was barely able to arrive in Athens in time for Fall camp, so he had no time to adjust at all. I presume there are adjustments he needs to make to the speed, etc. What adustments? I have no way of knowing, but if I had to guess, I'd guess his blocking isn't good enough yet. I'm only guessing that because that's a very common problem for high school stars, not out of any specific knowledge.

In any case, for whatever reason, they obviously think he isn't ready. That certainly doesn't mean he isn't a player, however.

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 7:27:05 PM

doubledribble wrote:

Another perspective is that 'working to get better' and, as some others have said, 'haven't quit' is a baseline minimal standard. Which if we didn't meet would be almost immoral.

On the other side, we have higher standards, which SBH very succinctly pointed to. On the other side, we see that it could be that those who accept the very, very low standards of 1) 'working to get better,' 2)the illusory 'progress' and 3) 'haven't quit' who are hurting the program.

To call those who point to a reality that's rather apparent over the past 28 or so games non-supporters for not accepting minimal standards is obnoxious--to be kind.

SBH and I argue a lot about stuff. But to doubt his loyalty and baseline perception is garbage.

By the way, youth, injuries, tough sched, etc, etc, etc are at some point insufficient excuses. At some point there are some pretty apparent significant problems for which responsibility needs to be taken/assigned.

Last Edited: 10/26/2014 9:33:22 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 8:27:54 PM

Daz reminds me of Brandon Tate for the Bengals. Seems to get playing time and opportunities based on small flashes of what his potential has to offer or one or two electrifying plays he made 2 years ago, but rarely produces.

Also like the Bengals he plays for a team who seems to insist on pounding an undersized running back between the tackles (see Bernard, Giovanni). At least Bernard has some decent success running the ball, although it's not the best thing for his long term health.

It just makes me scratch my head with all of the solid running backs that come out of high school each year that we don't have a steady stable of ball carriers, balanced out over a few class levels. It's more frustrating that most of our fellow MAC members somehow manage to have a strong backfield year in, and year out. AJ is definitely a player but I wish he would be given more time to grow and develop and not be thrown into the fire as a freshman.

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 8:35:18 PM

I totally agree with SBH. Sad thing is, I have been around for over 40 years, have seen this story before, and am still driving from Cincy to Athens to watch my favorite team play the Buffs mid week November...I guess i am the one who should have his head examined. Really, who does that?

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 8:39:12 PM

doubledribble wrote:

SBH is a front runner!

As for OUellette, he was a steal! Never pay for something you can get for free! The fact that we got him as a walk-on is a tribute to the staff. In essence, stealing him (an unkown) increased our recuriting class by 1.

These kids have a no quit attitude and are playing hard! This team is young and improving! GO CATS!

Last Edited: 10/26/2014 8:42:36 PM by BillyTheCat

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 10:14:36 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Another perspective is that 'working to get better' and, as some others have said, 'haven't quit' is a baseline minimal standard. Which if we didn't meet would be almost immoral.

I guess last year's team was immoral by these standards.

Monroe Slavin wrote:

On the other side, we have higher standards, which SBH very succinctly pointed to. On the other side, we see that it could be that those who accept the very, very low standards of 1) 'working to get better,' 2)the illusory 'progress' and 3) 'haven't quit' who are hurting the program.

Again, Monroe, you set up a straw man then knock him down. Those who talk about the team's workman-like attitude and the progress that's being made on little things (that might not show up yet in the score in every game) are NOT saying that this is sufficient. They are NOT saying they are happy with the losses. They are simply saying that we have a young team that is working very hard and that a reasonable analysis of the program would lead to a diagnosis of illness with a prognosis of full recovery and robust health. In essence, we "sunshine guys" agree with your diagnosis that the patient is sick, but we disagree with your prognosis that the patient will be dead without new experimental surgery being done and/or that we need a new surgeon. Also, how does anything anyone says here hurt or help the program in any way?

Monroe Slavin wrote:

To call those who point to a reality that's rather apparent over the past 28 or so games non-supporters for not accepting minimal standards is obnoxious--to be kind.

I've never said that you or SBH are not fans. I have said that I think much of your anger is misdirected and short-sighted. I've also said that I believe that you are confusing the current downturn with the Knorr years. Frank is not Brian Knorr in any way shape or form. Knorr took a program that was on the rise, and almost immediately took it for a nose dive. Frank took that program and revived it and is now methodically preparing it for the next level. If things are not better in the next year or two, then you might have something to complain about. [Remember I was in complete agreement with you about Knorr -- both in terms of the Dx and in terms of the Rx.]

Monroe Slavin wrote:

By the way, youth, injuries, tough sched, etc, etc, etc are at some point insufficient excuses. At some point there are some pretty apparent significant problems for which responsibility needs to be taken/assigned.

Who's not taking responsibility? Is Frank blaming someone else? I really don't understand what you are saying here. Do you think he should extended some kind of personal apology to BA posters? ;-)

Last Edited: 10/26/2014 10:17:02 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 10:16:24 PM

Billy The Cat, I have known SBH for 33 years and I do not agree with everything he posts on here, but he is certainly not a "Front Runner" and you know damn well he is not. He has supported the athletic department financially at a higher level than most of us including me and he travels several hours each way for home events, not to mention many road games across the country.

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/26/2014 11:07:47 PM

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

Bobcat Grad 86, this sounds as though there is a good ol boys club whose members are above reproach. I am certain this is not what you meant. Was it?

Last Edited: 10/26/2014 11:53:48 PM by Bcat2

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/27/2014 7:16:31 AM

Bcat2 wrote:

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

Bobcat Grad 86, this sounds as though there is a good ol boys club whose members are above reproach. I am certain this is not what you meant. Was it?

Good Ol Boy's Club, did you take time to read the post as I clearly said I do not agree with everything SBH posts? It is a pretty simple message that SBH has driven thousands of miles and donated thousands of dollars during some of the worst of times in the history of the football program. Our remaining games are during the week and I don't blame someone who does not want to drive two to three hours each way during the week when they have family and work obligations. SBH vented a bit in his post and I think he deserves some slack for that.

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/27/2014 7:30:50 AM

My problem is he shows up mainly after losses, and he's usually wanting someone's job. That is not what I call the true definition of a supporter.

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RE: I seriously question why Daz Patterson gets so much PT

Posted: 10/27/2014 8:53:32 AM

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

Bobcat Grad 86, this sounds as though there is a good ol boys club whose members are above reproach. I am certain this is not what you meant. Was it?

Well, SBH clearly stated that his support is conditional, that the team is not doing well enough for him to bother to support. Some feel that when times are the toughest fan support becomes more important and the athletes need fans who have their back. There are those fans who are for better and for worse, some not. If a fan comes here and proclaims in his judgment the team is not worthy and he stopped attending games ago and is now done, the better or for worse crowd will usually mention something about watching for the door on your way out. I am ok with SBH leaving. He is one who feels entitled to call out Daz Patterson by name, I guess to make himself feel better. There are those who see Ohio on the brink of better times, who are trying to help the team over the top. Some don't see it. Generous donors are putting the pedal down now for the IPF and more. And some don't see it. You say SBF has been generous through the very bad times, well now they are better, not great, but, he is now judgmental of players and his most generous support conditional.

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