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Here's a team that fell to 4-4 last night, yet one of those wins is keeping an o$u from being undefeated and one of the nation's current top 4 teams. How did this team look so strong in Columbus a little over a month ago, yet lost to a Pitt team that lost to Akron? The beauty of sports. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 8:33:43 AM  Va. Tech is falling into the Joe Paterno/Bobby Bowden mess of a coach who should probably hang it up, but won't because they are a legacy. Frank Beamer has lost his touch. They don't have one elite athlete on their offense. They got by on smoke and mirrors for years with elite defenses/special teams in the Big East and ACC because they had one big game a year: FSU or Miami. Well now the rest of the ACC (all of college football for that matter) has caught on to what they were doing and they just look dull. Bud Foster is probably going to take over once Beamer decides to hang it up, but who knows when that will be. They got lucky beating OSU since the Buckeyes were still reeling from losing Braxton Miller and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to do anything. Michael Brewer looked like a Heisman candidate against OSU. Now he's barely holding onto the starting job for the Hokies. Last Edited: 10/24/2014 8:34:11 AM by GoCats105 Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,895 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 9:43:31 AM  Dag GoCat, what a post. If you had put Frank Solich's name in there instead of Paterno and Bowden you'd have a real controversy on your hands!?! Last Edited: 10/24/2014 9:45:42 AM by Casper71 Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 9:43:55 AM  GoCats105 wrote: Va. Tech is falling into the Joe Paterno/Bobby Bowden mess of a coach who should probably hang it up, but won't because they are a legacy. Frank Beamer has lost his touch. They don't have one elite athlete on their offense. They got by on smoke and mirrors for years with elite defenses/special teams in the Big East and ACC because they had one big game a year: FSU or Miami. Well now the rest of the ACC (all of college football for that matter) has caught on to what they were doing and they just look dull. Bud Foster is probably going to take over once Beamer decides to hang it up, but who knows when that will be. They got lucky beating OSU since the Buckeyes were still reeling from losing Braxton Miller and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to do anything. Michael Brewer looked like a Heisman candidate against OSU. Now he's barely holding onto the starting job for the Hokies. Are we sure "they got lucky beating OSU"? If I recall correctly, it seems to me they pretty well handled them for the whole first half. Maybe they simply played their best game of the year. Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,341 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 10:09:13 AM  Agree OU_Country. It also wasn't luck when they chased JT Barrett practically back into his own end zone with the game on the line. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 11:27:01 AM  OU_Country wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Va. Tech is falling into the Joe Paterno/Bobby Bowden mess of a coach who should probably hang it up, but won't because they are a legacy. Frank Beamer has lost his touch. They don't have one elite athlete on their offense. They got by on smoke and mirrors for years with elite defenses/special teams in the Big East and ACC because they had one big game a year: FSU or Miami. Well now the rest of the ACC (all of college football for that matter) has caught on to what they were doing and they just look dull. Bud Foster is probably going to take over once Beamer decides to hang it up, but who knows when that will be. They got lucky beating OSU since the Buckeyes were still reeling from losing Braxton Miller and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to do anything. Michael Brewer looked like a Heisman candidate against OSU. Now he's barely holding onto the starting job for the Hokies. Are we sure "they got lucky beating OSU"? If I recall correctly, it seems to me they pretty well handled them for the whole first half. Maybe they simply played their best game of the year. Luck in that they were facing Barrett in his 2nd career start and the Ohio State team was still trying to figure out who they were. There wasn't much tape of Brewer for OSU to see, and the DBs for Va. Tech thrived off Barrett's inexperience. If they played again it would be totally different. But yes, the Hokies probably played their best game of the year. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 11:28:04 AM  Casper71 wrote: Dag GoCat, what a post. If you had put Frank Solich's name in there instead of Paterno and Bowden you'd have a real controversy on your hands!?! I think I did post something similar a while ago and people were not happy. Let's not bring it up. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,820 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 11:39:30 AM  GoCats105 wrote: If they played again it would be totally different. But yes, the Hokies probably played their best game of the year. I understand they are saying the same thing in Athens, Ga, up in Oregon, down in Alabama, over in East Lansing, also in... Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 11:57:18 AM  Some of you folks on this board are blatantly ageist. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,064 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 12:43:22 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: Some of you folks on this board are blatantly ageist. It did cause me to look at the records of some of those "over the hill" coaches. to see how their records late in their career compared to their record over the entirety of their career. If indeed they are coaching beyond when they should be, their record should drop off. Now, some of the coaches mentioned had to vacate some wins, but that's a different problem that has nothing to do with whether they were too old to still coach, so I included the vacated wins in my analysis. Paterno: Last 5 years: 46-15 .754 Earlier years: 363-121-3 .748 Bowden: Last 5 years: 38-17 .691 Earlier years: 339-112-4 .749 Beemer: Last 5 years: 41-21 .661 Earlier years: 225-111-4 .668 Solich: Last 5 years: 38-23 .623 Prior years, Ohio only: 32-31 .508 Prior years including Nebraska: 90-50 .643 For Beemer and Paterno, there is not much difference between their records in the last 5 years from their records in earlier years. When you consider that their final five year were probably harder than their earlier years (with Penn State having moved to the Big Ten in 1993 rather than playing an easier independent schedule, and with Virginia Tech having moved in 2004 to the ACC), their records over their final 5 years is probably more impressive than their longer term career. For Bowden there does appear to be some dropoff in his final 5 years. For Solich, hit most recent 5 years is significantly better than his earlier years at Ohio, and nearly equal to his earlier years even including his years at Ohio. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 12:46:40 PM  GoCats105 wrote: OU_Country wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Va. Tech is falling into the Joe Paterno/Bobby Bowden mess of a coach who should probably hang it up, but won't because they are a legacy. Frank Beamer has lost his touch. They don't have one elite athlete on their offense. They got by on smoke and mirrors for years with elite defenses/special teams in the Big East and ACC because they had one big game a year: FSU or Miami. Well now the rest of the ACC (all of college football for that matter) has caught on to what they were doing and they just look dull. Bud Foster is probably going to take over once Beamer decides to hang it up, but who knows when that will be. They got lucky beating OSU since the Buckeyes were still reeling from losing Braxton Miller and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to do anything. Michael Brewer looked like a Heisman candidate against OSU. Now he's barely holding onto the starting job for the Hokies. Are we sure "they got lucky beating OSU"? If I recall correctly, it seems to me they pretty well handled them for the whole first half. Maybe they simply played their best game of the year. Luck in that they were facing Barrett in his 2nd career start and the Ohio State team was still trying to figure out who they were. There wasn't much tape of Brewer for OSU to see, and the DBs for Va. Tech thrived off Barrett's inexperience. If they played again it would be totally different. But yes, the Hokies probably played their best game of the year. Fair point on the facing Barrett instead of Miller. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,820 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 1:03:15 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: Some of you folks on this board are blatantly ageist. I have no problem with people of age. In fact I work with some of them. I have a friend who is....older. When I go golfing they usually out number us, but it's not like I find that uncomfortable - but things are different with them there. I do like that they tend to go to restaurants earlier so I don't have to eat around those people, but there are a lot of them here in the south, and it has always been that way. It's normal - everyone is happy with the way it is. Now when they want to marry, to be honest, that is where I draw the line. That is just not right. Kinda gross if you ask me. :) Hey, Frank is young at heart! Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 1:36:58 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: Some of you folks on this board are blatantly ageist. You brought up the word ageist, not us. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 1:43:18 PM  LC, The reason Paterno's and Beamer's records are similar throughout their career is because they had to essentially build the programs themselves. Of course the early years were going to be hard, then there was probably a peak somewhere in the middle of their careers. I'm just guessing. Beamer had a run for Va. Tech where his teams won 10 or more games for eight straight years. It has been a significant drop off ever since. His record against FBS opponents since 2011, including last night, is 16-17. That's a big problem. I often wandered if the Michael Vick connection had anything to do with it, but I looked it up and that's not a significant thing according to his coaching record. And his age really has nothing to do with it. They just don't have the same players, IMO. Same thing that happened to Bowden at FSU and Paterno at PSU. Back to Top Bobcat Grad 86 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,397 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 1:56:38 PM  Barrett only played five games his senior year before a knee injury so he had barely played the past two years prior to the Tech game. As for Tech, things got so bad last night they ate their mascot in the stands. http://i.imgur.com/0hPiadG.png Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,064 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 2:19:48 PM  I would agree with that post, GoCats. Building the program is a challenge, for sure. The flip side is that once the program was built, some schools moved to a harder conference. As far as talent, I think Virginia Tech in particular has been hurt by the recent strength of the SEC. It has to be harder to recruit some of those southern kids up to Virginia Tech now. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 2:28:19 PM  L.C. wrote: I would agree with that post, GoCats. Building the program is a challenge, for sure. The flip side is that once the program was built, some schools moved to a harder conference. As far as talent, I think Virginia Tech in particular has been hurt by the recent strength of the SEC. It has to be harder to recruit some of those southern kids up to Virginia Tech now. Absolutely. Not to mention the rebirth of Clemson and FSU and the build-up of smaller programs like Louisville, ECU, Duke, etc. Back to Top Ozcat General User Member Since: 1/4/2005 Location: Gahanna, OH Post Count: 818 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 3:12:26 PM  No team was more overrated in the 2000s than VTech. Preseason top ten every year, and like Oregon, they always seemed to duck it up... Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,341 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 3:32:06 PM  cc cat/borna wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Some of you folks on this board are blatantly ageist. I have no problem with people of age. In fact I work with some of them. I have a friend who is....older. When I go golfing they usually out number us, but it's not like I find that uncomfortable - but things are different with them there. I do like that they tend to go to restaurants earlier so I don't have to eat around those people, but there are a lot of them here in the south, and it has always been that way. It's normal - everyone is happy with the way it is. Now when they want to marry, to be honest, that is where I draw the line. That is just not right. Kinda gross if you ask me. :) Hey, Frank is young at heart! ++ Thank you! I'm well past middle age and I am really uncomfortable around (ahem) "older" people, too. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 3:36:44 PM  Ozcat wrote: No team was more overrated in the 2000s than VTech. Preseason top ten every year, and like Oregon, they always seemed to duck it up... Even more than Chokelahoma? Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 3:41:39 PM  GoCats105 wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Some of you folks on this board are blatantly ageist. You brought up the word ageist, not us. If the shoe fits, wear it. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 4:33:22 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: GoCats105 wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Some of you folks on this board are blatantly ageist. You brought up the word ageist, not us. If the shoe fits, wear it. There is no shoe. We're talking about football. I could care less how old a coach is. Bill Snyder is doing pretty damn good isn't he? You've already gave your opinion though, so maybe turn the shoe to yourself. Us young whippersnappers don't have time for this stuff because we've got too many tweets and grams and snaps to look at. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 4:58:08 PM  GoCats105 wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: GoCats105 wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Some of you folks on this board are blatantly ageist. You brought up the word ageist, not us. If the shoe fits, wear it. There is no shoe. We're talking about football. I could care less how old a coach is. Bill Snyder is doing pretty damn good isn't he? You've already gave your opinion though, so maybe turn the shoe to yourself. Us young whippersnappers don't have time for this stuff because we've got too many tweets and grams and snaps to look at. What's your problem? You seem to have a lot of anger about something. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,035 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 5:23:26 PM  Ozcat wrote: No team was more overrated in the 2000s than VTech. Preseason top ten every year, and like Oregon, they always seemed to duck it up... Someone's been listening a little too much to 97.1 The Fan in the afternoons. Back to Top oldkatz General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Post Count: 1,421 Status: Offline     RE: Thanks Hokies    Posted: 10/24/2014 5:30:29 PM  GoCats105 wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: GoCats105 wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Some of you folks on this board are blatantly ageist. You brought up the word ageist, not us. If the shoe fits, wear it. There is no shoe. We're talking about football. I could care less how old a coach is. Bill Snyder is doing pretty damn good isn't he? You've already gave your opinion though, so maybe turn the shoe to yourself. Us young whippersnappers don't have time for this stuff because we've got too many tweets and grams and snaps to look at. We old guys would have more to say but Matlock and Murder She Wrote are coming on the Magnavox. "All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano. 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