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Topic: RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Topic: RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

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D.A.
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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/21/2014 5:58:32 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Anyone else kinda glad we don't have to deal with UMass's offense this season?

Thankful for that, and disappointed that we were not a player in the Blake Frohnapfel sweepstakes, because that kid is a stud. He went to UMass for their biz school and was a three year graduate from Marshall, and will have one more year of eligibility. I have no idea if we pursued him or not, and I hate to say it, but we blew it in not getting him. I respect our coaches wanting to give the guys in the program a chance, but he is light years ahead of our QB's and we would be an entirely different offense with him.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/21/2014 6:15:35 PM

I watched the BUGS/WMU game yesterday and there is nothing about the Broncos that concerns me. They look like BUGS while passing (lots of wide screens that we saw on Homecoming), and they look like Kent in the running game, with Franklin looking a lot like Durham. (who we didn't face due to his injury)

James Knapke got drilled at the end of the first quarter and wasn't the same for the remainder of the game, and Travis Greene was also injured during the game for BUGS. They turned the ball over three times, plus failed on a fourth and goal, so BUGS really had a poor day on the field, which also should be considered when trying to size up how we might compare with the Broncos.

They are going to strive for balance just as we do, and their QB is young, albeit more experienced than JD. This is going to come down to the same ole, same ole: run the ball, stop the run, win the turnover battle and don't kill yourself with stupid penalties. Do that and it will be close, don't and we will lose.

They are young, and we are young, so I see this as coming down to who executes better, plain and simple.

Let's spoil someone else's Homecoming for once.

Last Edited: 10/21/2014 6:32:04 PM by D.A.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/21/2014 7:11:46 PM

What D.A. said.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/21/2014 7:13:15 PM

D.A. wrote:

...They are young, and we are young, so I see this as coming down to who executes better, plain and simple.

Let's spoil someone else's Homecoming for once.

Good call, D.A. I completely agree. I expect Ohio to come into this with a conservative game plan, and try to make no mistakes. I am going to predict an Ohio win, 23-21, as Ohio continues to grind yards and rely on Yazdani's leg. I don't see either team going over 30, and I think it turns into another defensive battle, and a battle of special teams, rather than MACtion.

Ohio has one of the better defenses in the MAC this year, and has the best across the board special teams in the league, so any game that comes down to defense and field position is one they can win.

(Ohio ranks #2 in kickoff returns, #1 in kick coverage, #1 in onside kicks against, #2 in net punting, #2 in punt returns, #1 in PAT accuracy, and #4 in FG accuracy).

Last Edited: 10/21/2014 7:14:22 PM by L.C.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/21/2014 8:36:11 PM

L.C. wrote:

I expect Ohio to come into this with a conservative game plan

Now, that is funny.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/21/2014 9:02:48 PM

Conservative is ok so long as it's not predictable. BUTM was conservative AND predictable. I don't mind a game plan based on runs and low-risk passes (with occasional shots downfield or trick plays) because we have young QBs who need help in game management. We just need to do things to keep their D off-balance. BG used a lot of misdirection early in our game with them and it kept us on our heels. Stuff like that would help us.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/21/2014 9:39:47 PM

Pataskala wrote:

No doubt Ohio will be 50% passes/50% runs, as usual, and will mix throws and runs on first downs to not be overly predictable, but I expect that Ohio will have a healthy dose of runs up the middle. Ohio has to be able to run the ball up the middle with at least some effectiveness or the rest of the offense won't work. This, by the way, is the mirror image of what Ohio tries to do to other teams. If Ohio can take away their runs, their offense isn't going to work, either.

The CMU game is a classic example of a case where the other team took away Ohio's run, and then Ohio was unable to use anything else effectively. With no power running game, shutting down Ohio's passing, sweeps, and options was not difficult. The Akron game was a good example of Ohio doing it to another team.

A lot of teams that are underdogs make the mistake of trying to get adventurous with their game plans, and get outside their team's comfort zone, and when they do, they never really have a chance to win. Ohio has won a lot of games using conservative plans that keep them in the game, and allow them to take advantage of breaks. The Pitt game was a classic example, but the same applied to games like Illinois and Penn State. Sometimes Ohio has stayed in games, but never got that break, and lost, but they never gave the game away; they made the other team earn it.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/21/2014 10:20:38 PM

Re special teams, specifically punting

I noticed on Saturday that it looked like Bonnstetter had picked up a little extra step in his kicking motion. That habit is what cost Venham the job last year. Akron never rushed the punter, but I think they probably could have gotten close to blocking one if they had tried.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/22/2014 12:41:46 PM

L.C. wrote:

Ohio has won a lot of games using conservative plans that keep them in the game, and allow them to take advantage of breaks. The Pitt game was a classic example, but the same applied to games like Illinois and Penn State. Sometimes Ohio has stayed in games, but never got that break, and lost, but they never gave the game away; they made the other team earn it.

When you win with this philosophy, you might end up being compared to a team like the Pittsburgh Steelers. Tough, grind it out type teams. When you lose, its more like the NY Jets. And it can look ugly real fast.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/22/2014 3:32:29 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

Are you saying that's a good thing? Or bad? Or that it could be either?

I do think that the more experience you have, the more you can vary off your norm. This team has a lot more experience than a few weeks ago, but still is young, so I don't expect anything radical this week. I think that if they execute, and don't make too many mistakes, they can win.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/22/2014 6:59:14 PM

Chase Cochran http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7OfcGOywRM&feature=youtu.be

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/22/2014 7:22:10 PM

Really, his point is that even though they are young, they have to play with confidence, and they have to believe that if they execute that no one can beat them. I didn't interpret what he said as smack, just that they need to play with confidence.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/22/2014 7:33:44 PM

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/22/2014 9:04:34 PM

L.C. wrote:

Yes. This team needs some swagger....not the attitude that gets you penalized for late hits and unsportsmanlike conduct, but a confident, aggressive edginess.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/22/2014 11:32:34 PM

He said "play with speed." Haven't seen that this year.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/22/2014 11:48:11 PM

A physical running team? Just the kind of game we have excelled in this year. I hope we keep them under 300 yds rushing!

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/23/2014 8:00:03 AM

L.C. wrote:

Ohio69 wrote:

It could be either. But, some vociferous posters on here want the Oregon offense. So playing conservative and struggling at doing it (penalties, dropped passes, missed throws, etc.) plays into their hands.

Anyway, eliminate the penalties and catch some passes and we would have been a lot more fun to watch the past few weeks.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/23/2014 8:06:57 AM

Casper71 wrote:

A physical running team? Just the kind of game we have excelled in this year. I hope we keep them under 300 yds rushing!

Agreed. Me I am hoping to keep Franklin under 100, to get ahead, to make them one dimensional ...... you know all that coach speak stuff.

Last Edited: 10/23/2014 8:08:12 AM by Bcat2

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/23/2014 9:35:54 AM

Ohio69 wrote:

They may want that, yet, I think it's clear that more teams that try for an Oregon or Baylor offense fail than succeed. If there was a single offense that was a guaranteed success, all teams would use it. I honestly don't care if they run a single wing, T, wishbone, or Air Raid offense, so long as they execute, and make it work.

Each week they have been executing better, and I think fans are aware of that. Had Vick not been hurt, I think the progress would have been steadier, but after he was hurt the offense took a step or two backwards, and had to regroup. I think they are picking up again, though, and I think they will continue to execute better.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/23/2014 10:31:29 AM

Bcat2 wrote:

Casper71 wrote:

A physical running team? Just the kind of game we have excelled in this year. I hope we keep them under 300 yds rushing!

Agreed. Me I am hoping to keep Franklin under 100, to get ahead, to make them one dimensional ...... you know all that coach speak stuff.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/23/2014 12:23:04 PM

The key to this game will be a strong opening quarter like we had last week against Akron. The issue in that loss to BG was spotting them 14 in the first quarter otherwise we are right in to win that game. From the practice videos this team sounds hungry to get what they couldn't get done up at CMU. Game 9 of the season you are going to have to turn the corner and start playing well if its going to happen at all. A surprise victory with a lot of points is not out of the question for Saturday.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/23/2014 5:56:34 PM

L.C. wrote:

Ohio69 wrote:

Agree. I learned to love Grobe's option and now find myself watching Air Force and Navy because of it.

WMU is probably starting to feel "it" as a program. Gonna be a big test this weekend.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/23/2014 8:35:18 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

L.C. wrote:

Ohio69 wrote:

Agree. I learned to love Grobe's option and now find myself watching Air Force and Navy because of it.

WMU is probably starting to feel "it" as a program. Gonna be a big test this weekend.

Interesting-do you think Ohio next year will be where WMU is now-a young team whose talent is starting to translate into wins, or does have WMU have younger, even better talent than Ohio?

Last Edited: 10/23/2014 8:51:48 PM by Mark Lembright '85

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/23/2014 10:16:36 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

When we've scored in either of our first two drives this season, we're 4-0. When we haven't, we're 0-4. If we scored first, we're 3-0; if the other team scored first we're 1-4. In the four losses, we were outscored a combined 52-0 in the first two drives. If we win the toss, we should take the ball. Let the O have the first chance to score.

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RE: Official Game 9 Thread: Western Michigan

Posted: 10/23/2014 10:20:22 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Interesting-do you think Ohio next year will be where WMU is now-a young team whose talent is starting to translate into wins, or does have WMU have younger, even better talent than Ohio?

If you believe the recruiting services, the players that constitute WMU's true Freshmen this year (recruiting class of 2014) are by far the best class ever in MAC history. WMU's recruiting class for 2015 is not quite as good, but is still very, very good for the MAC, and will again be rated well ahead of everyone else in the MAC.

Overall, talent wise, you'd have to think that WMU is ahead of everyone else in the MAC, or will be in a year or two. Now comes the interesting part, coaching them up. If Fleck turns out to also be a good coach, WMU will quickly become a dominant team, and Fleck will get hired by a P5 school. If he's not that great of a coach, he may get hired anyway, and be the next Ron Zook, recruiting his way to the top, and then foundering once he gets there.

Ohio had a very good recruiting class last year, too, probably #2 or #3 in the MAC. They also had a good class in 2013. Therefore, WMU and Ohio are very similar. Both are young, and talented, and improving. One difference is that since Solich's contract runs until 2017, Ohio's players won't see as much in the way of coaching changes as WMU's players likely will. It will be interesting to see which group achieves more.

Last Edited: 10/23/2014 10:28:06 PM by L.C.

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