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And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's. "This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday Back to Top The Situation General User Member Since: 7/12/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 957 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/18/2014 6:18:05 PM  +1 I believe. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/18/2014 6:32:29 PM  Flashback: Saturday, October 22nd, 2011. Just under 3 years ago. We beat Akron at their place to move to only 2-2 in the MAC after starting 1-2. The Bobcats then win four straight games and win the MAC East. Go Cats. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/18/2014 7:07:32 PM  How about that, 7 straight wins by Frank over Zippy. That to me says his job is safe for at least one more year. Also 10 straight years of at least 4+ wins. The only coach at Ohio to accomplish that was Don Peden. Peden had 6 seasons of 7+ wins in 21 years and Frank has 6 seasons of 7+ in 10 years. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,067 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/18/2014 7:59:11 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: How about that, 7 straight wins by Frank over Zippy. That to me says his job is safe for at least one more year. Also 10 straight years of at least 4+ wins. The only coach at Ohio to accomplish that was Don Peden. Peden had 6 seasons of 7+ wins in 21 years and Frank has 6 seasons of 7+ in 10 years. That's not really a fair comparison, since they played less games in those days. A 7 win season out of 9 or 10 games would compare to 8 or 9 today. Back to the main thread topic, I also believe. The Bobcats continue to improve, and they continue to play hard. There is no game left that they could not win. All games so far have matched my preseason picks, and I have them picked to win out from here, so I hope I'm right. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/18/2014 8:04:32 PM  L.C. wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: How about that, 7 straight wins by Frank over Zippy. That to me says his job is safe for at least one more year. Also 10 straight years of at least 4+ wins. The only coach at Ohio to accomplish that was Don Peden. Peden had 6 seasons of 7+ wins in 21 years and Frank has 6 seasons of 7+ in 10 years. That's not really a fair comparison, since they played less games in those days. A 7 win season out of 9 or 10 games would compare to 8 or 9 today. It does say something because Peden's schedules were full of what are now D3 teams. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/18/2014 9:12:33 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: It does say something because Peden's schedules were full of what are now D3 teams. A lot of these now-D3 teams were considered very good back in those days and Peden also played a lot of B1G teams, and he beat them too. Wins over Indiana and Illinois come to mind without even looking at the actual printed record. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top D.A. General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Georgetown, ME Post Count: 1,174 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/25/2014 9:52:08 AM  bump The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats! And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's. "This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,067 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/25/2014 10:15:53 AM  D.A., I'm right with you. I believe they can win out. In fact, that was my preseason pick, and I see no reason to change it now. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/25/2014 12:51:34 PM  D.A. wrote: bump Good bump. This game is a big one for Ohio. With Western beating BG last week, we are still up there in the MAC East. That said, this is absolutely a must-win if we want to stay towards the top of this division. Big game today. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,895 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/25/2014 3:12:35 PM  That we suck and it is time for some changes...I hope they prove me wrong but at 21-7 now, I doubt it. Back to Top RPO R6V General User Member Since: 1/7/2005 Post Count: 206 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/25/2014 3:30:04 PM  That we suck. 28 unanswered points before halftime. Back to Top RPO R6V General User Member Since: 1/7/2005 Post Count: 206 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/25/2014 3:31:23 PM  That Western Michigan is rowing the boat right over us. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,920 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/25/2014 3:35:47 PM  Offense is god-awful. The one score was caused by an INT on defense. Back to Top PhiTau74 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Columbia, SC Post Count: 455 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/25/2014 3:47:47 PM  That we go to the Toilet Bowl. Who in their right mind would pay to see this team play in a bowl other than parents of players. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/25/2014 5:19:42 PM  D.A. is about as good an OHIO guy as there is. But please... Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Sony7 General User Member Since: 6/25/2005 Location: Greenfield, WI Post Count: 299 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/25/2014 11:18:47 PM  I'm tired. Go Bobcats! SONY7 Back to Top D.A. General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Georgetown, ME Post Count: 1,174 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/28/2014 10:57:43 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: D.A. is about as good an OHIO guy as there is. But please... Thanks Monroe, and let me give you a little more context around my "belief": -On seeing all our MAC games this year, and watching many of our competitor's games, there is nothing that would lead me to believe that (despite being out-manned at some positions on the field) with the correct scheme, discipline and execution, we don't have a reasonable chance to beat any of the teams we are facing. -I extend that thought to include the number of injuries that we have to date. -And finally, as an extension of the first point above, especially considering that we play only three games in the final thirty one days in our season, I EXPECT us to win the final three games and finish at 7-5. HOWEVER, I am not making the statement with a Pollyanna and non-critical attitude regarding some persistent and glaring concerns I have held through the season: -Inexplicable lapses in mental toughness and execution like we saw in the first half against Western, especially after the targeting DQ call. -Bouts with penalties either at critical points in the game, if not for entire games. -Our lack of creativity in offensive scheme, especially this late in a season, and when you clearly do not have an answer at RB, with AJ being unable to play, or playing at less that 100%. If you do not have a serious running threat, then IMHO, you have to give up the pretense of 50/50 and get more creative in your passing game. UMASS has completely and blatantly avoided the run under Mark Whipple, and has developed a prolific offensive scheme that is kicking ass in this league, and I refuse to accept that we could not do the same, provided accepting reality and with the intent to succeed with the tools in our tool box. -Our o-line and RB pass pro at times looking "elite", while at times looking porous and lacking discipline. -Our second/third and long defensive scheme, which invariably is a blitz-less front and soft cover secondary scheme that permits underneath completions and which often translates to YAC's that lead to a lot of conversions. -And finally, what has turned into a skipping record of woe is me, we are so injured seasons. The season is long for all teams, and you have to find a way to fight through this, and throw away that "crutch" of an excuse. I can poke holes all day on what I haven't liked thus far, but despite what we have all seen in those points above, I would rather focus on what I believe and expect we CAN do. What I like A LOT in this team is that I have not seen the quit that we saw last year, and that gives me the hope and expectation that I have held, and will continue to hold through the end of the season. There is too much talent on the field, and experience in the coaching staff, for me to give up the belief and expectation that we can execute. So they may end up proving me wrong, but I won't stop expecting them to be able to actually pull it together and win out, or at the worst finish .500. (note: I'm still expecting us to win out with NIU at home, and despite Miami's offensive pass proficiency this season, which has been tough for us to deal with in competitors thus far.) If they don't answer the bell and finish sub-.500, then I expect there to be substantive changes in the program. I don't know and won't suggest what those are, but I refuse to accept that at this point in the program's ascent that we should accept a sub-.500 result from this team considering our current scheduling philosophy and the state of the MAC, which is clearly weak at this point in time, especially the East. You may be unwilling to give them the benefit of the doubt and expectation for performance that I am, and that is your prerogative, but please don't pee on those of us that hold that belief, because I do not feel it is unreasonable. I hope this context makes you feel more supportive of my assertion. The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats! And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's. "This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,118 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/28/2014 11:38:33 AM  D.A. wrote: -Our second/third and long defensive scheme, which invariably is a blitz-less front and soft cover secondary scheme that permits underneath completions and which often translates to YAC's that lead to a lot of conversions. Did you happen to catch the Eagles-Cardinals finish on Sunday? The Cardinals defensive coordinator played to win on the Eagles' final drive. He sent seven on the final play when Philly needed a touchdown. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,920 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/28/2014 11:54:31 AM  D.A. wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: D.A. is about as good an OHIO guy as there is. But please... -Inexplicable lapses in mental toughness and execution like we saw in the first half against Western, especially after the targeting DQ call. -Bouts with penalties either at critical points in the game, if not for entire games. -Our lack of creativity in offensive scheme, especially this late in a season, and when you clearly do not have an answer at RB, with AJ being unable to play, or playing at less that 100%. If you do not have a serious running threat, then IMHO, you have to give up the pretense of 50/50 and get more creative in your passing game. UMASS has completely and blatantly avoided the run under Mark Whipple, and has developed a prolific offensive scheme that is kicking ass in this league, and I refuse to accept that we could not do the same, provided accepting reality and with the intent to succeed with the tools in our tool box. +1 on these three points. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,920 Status: Offline     RE: I believe...    Posted: 10/28/2014 11:58:02 AM  D.A. wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: D.A. is about as good an OHIO guy as there is. But please... Thanks Monroe, and let me give you a little more context around my "belief": -On seeing all our MAC games this year, and watching many of our competitor's games, there is nothing that would lead me to believe that (despite being out-manned at some positions on the field) with the correct scheme, discipline and execution, we don't have a reasonable chance to beat any of the teams we are facing. -I extend that thought to include the number of injuries that we have to date. -And finally, as an extension of the first point above, especially considering that we play only three games in the final thirty one days in our season, I EXPECT us to win the final three games and finish at 7-5. HOWEVER, I am not making the statement with a Pollyanna and non-critical attitude regarding some persistent and glaring concerns I have held through the season: -Inexplicable lapses in mental toughness and execution like we saw in the first half against Western, especially after the targeting DQ call. -Bouts with penalties either at critical points in the game, if not for entire games. -Our lack of creativity in offensive scheme, especially this late in a season, and when you clearly do not have an answer at RB, with AJ being unable to play, or playing at less that 100%. If you do not have a serious running threat, then IMHO, you have to give up the pretense of 50/50 and get more creative in your passing game. UMASS has completely and blatantly avoided the run under Mark Whipple, and has developed a prolific offensive scheme that is kicking ass in this league, and I refuse to accept that we could not do the same, provided accepting reality and with the intent to succeed with the tools in our tool box. -Our o-line and RB pass pro at times looking "elite", while at times looking porous and lacking discipline. -Our second/third and long defensive scheme, which invariably is a blitz-less front and soft cover secondary scheme that permits underneath completions and which often translates to YAC's that lead to a lot of conversions. -And finally, what has turned into a skipping record of woe is me, we are so injured seasons. The season is long for all teams, and you have to find a way to fight through this, and throw away that "crutch" of an excuse. I can poke holes all day on what I haven't liked thus far, but despite what we have all seen in those points above, I would rather focus on what I believe and expect we CAN do. What I like A LOT in this team is that I have not seen the quit that we saw last year, and that gives me the hope and expectation that I have held, and will continue to hold through the end of the season. There is too much talent on the field, and experience in the coaching staff, for me to give up the belief and expectation that we can execute. So they may end up proving me wrong, but I won't stop expecting them to be able to actually pull it together and win out, or at the worst finish .500. (note: I'm still expecting us to win out with NIU at home, and despite Miami's offensive pass proficiency this season, which has been tough for us to deal with in competitors thus far.) If they don't answer the bell and finish sub-.500, then I expect there to be substantive changes in the program. I don't know and won't suggest what those are, but I refuse to accept that at this point in the program's ascent that we should accept a sub-.500 result from this team considering our current scheduling philosophy and the state of the MAC, which is clearly weak at this point in time, especially the East. You may be unwilling to give them the benefit of the doubt and expectation for performance that I am, and that is your prerogative, but please don't pee on those of us that hold that belief, because I do not feel it is unreasonable. I hope this context makes you feel more supportive of my assertion. Actually, +1 to all of this. 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