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Likely supported your ongoing claim that that somehow "supporting" both to$u and OHIO somehow is in the best interest of OHIO. Made me think of an advertising pitch from the past. For me - "I'd rather fight than switch"......... Last Edited: 10/22/2014 11:43:12 PM by RSBobcat RS Bobcat Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/22/2014 11:49:13 PM  catfan28 wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Finally figured out who this poster is - the same guy who estimates the crowds for the annual Halloween block party. Almost full? Really - how about 40% full at best. Hey, I sit near midfield. It's not like I'm walking around checking out how each section looks. It looked that way from my perspective... 40%? That is disingenuous at best. It was at least 18K - prolly close to 19K. Tell me where 8K more would have fit? RS Bobcat Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,306 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/23/2014 12:18:13 AM  RSBobcat/borna wrote: catfan28 wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Finally figured out who this poster is - the same guy who estimates the crowds for the annual Halloween block party. Almost full? Really - how about 40% full at best. Hey, I sit near midfield. It's not like I'm walking around checking out how each section looks. It looked that way from my perspective... 40%? That is disingenuous at best. It was at least 18K - prolly close to 19K. Tell me where 8K more would have fit? eh... you're both wrong. It was more than 40% full, but there sure as hell weren't 18 or 19k there either. There were tons of empty seats. 19k with a pretty much empty hill means that seats would have been at a premium. definitely not the case. Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/23/2014 12:41:18 AM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: RSBobcat/borna wrote: catfan28 wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Finally figured out who this poster is - the same guy who estimates the crowds for the annual Halloween block party. Almost full? Really - how about 40% full at best. Hey, I sit near midfield. It's not like I'm walking around checking out how each section looks. It looked that way from my perspective... 40%? That is disingenuous at best. It was at least 18K - prolly close to 19K. Tell me where 8K more would have fit? eh... you're both wrong. It was more than 40% full, but there sure as hell weren't 18 or 19k there either. There were tons of empty seats. 19k with a pretty much empty hill means that seats would have been at a premium. definitely not the case. We gotta get this to a better science. So - where would an additional 8K, 9K, whatever you think open capacity was have sit? Start with the hill - how many is a full hill? I say 1,200 MAX RS Bobcat Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/23/2014 8:43:19 AM  RSBobcat/borna wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: RSBobcat/borna wrote: catfan28 wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Finally figured out who this poster is - the same guy who estimates the crowds for the annual Halloween block party. Almost full? Really - how about 40% full at best. Hey, I sit near midfield. It's not like I'm walking around checking out how each section looks. It looked that way from my perspective... 40%? That is disingenuous at best. It was at least 18K - prolly close to 19K. Tell me where 8K more would have fit? eh... you're both wrong. It was more than 40% full, but there sure as hell weren't 18 or 19k there either. There were tons of empty seats. 19k with a pretty much empty hill means that seats would have been at a premium. definitely not the case. We gotta get this to a better science. So - where would an additional 8K, 9K, whatever you think open capacity was have sit? Start with the hill - how many is a full hill? I say 1,200 MAX When I said 40% full I was talking about the wing where the visiting fans sit. As for the hill, you can get way more than 1200 on that hill. Back to Top Ozcat General User Member Since: 1/4/2005 Location: Gahanna, OH Post Count: 818 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/23/2014 4:38:37 PM  http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa... Like it or not, a ton of students would rather watch OSU beatdown Rutgers than sit in Peden for 3.5 hours and watch MACtion. All I'm saying is give that segment (which is larger than any of us want to believe) the opportunity to do both. edit: I apologize for the link. No idea why it won't post correctly... Last Edited: 10/23/2014 4:40:09 PM by Ozcat Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,399 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/23/2014 5:08:26 PM  Ozcat wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa... Like it or not, a ton of students would rather watch OSU beatdown Rutgers than sit in Peden for 3.5 hours and watch MACtion. All I'm saying is give that segment (which is larger than any of us want to believe) the opportunity to do both. edit: I apologize for the link. No idea why it won't post correctly... The question for me would be is watching Ohio Football second on their list? I would say it is not for the vast majority. It would be a good data point to have I'm just not sure how you get it. Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top cincybobcat99 General User Member Since: 11/8/2007 Post Count: 192 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/23/2014 6:08:11 PM  Ozcat wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa... Like it or not, a ton of students would rather watch OSU beatdown Rutgers than sit in Peden for 3.5 hours and watch MACtion. All I'm saying is give that segment (which is larger than any of us want to believe) the opportunity to do both. edit: I apologize for the link. No idea why it won't post correctly... Like it or not, a ton of students would rather sit around drink beer with their friends and watch any game that is on TV. Maybe Victory Hill should be turned into a gaint beer garden. Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/24/2014 12:19:54 AM  Ozcat wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa... Like it or not, a ton of students would rather watch OSU beatdown Rutgers than sit in Peden for 3.5 hours and watch MACtion. All I'm saying is give that segment (which is larger than any of us want to believe) the opportunity to do both. edit: I apologize for the link. No idea why it won't post correctly... I don't like it. And I don't see any evidence to prove your "point". We have a great student attendance this year, and the last couple years. And why "give that segment", to whatever degree it might exist, More opportunities to either remain, or become "turncoats"/"dualists"??? If anything, your proposition would either create more opportunities for that to happen, actually support any ongoing and future diluted level of support. ANYTHING that encourages support for to$u, by anyone "purportedly" promoting OHIO, is a detriment to OHIO. I have said that many times on here, and I cannot see Anyway you can change my mind about that. RS Bobcat Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,917 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/24/2014 7:18:12 AM  RSBobcat/borna wrote: Ozcat wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa... Like it or not, a ton of students would rather watch OSU beatdown Rutgers than sit in Peden for 3.5 hours and watch MACtion. All I'm saying is give that segment (which is larger than any of us want to believe) the opportunity to do both. edit: I apologize for the link. No idea why it won't post correctly... I don't like it. And I don't see any evidence to prove your "point". We have a great student attendance this year, and the last couple years. And why "give that segment", to whatever degree it might exist, More opportunities to either remain, or become "turncoats"/"dualists"??? If anything, your proposition would either create more opportunities for that to happen, actually support any ongoing and future diluted level of support. ANYTHING that encourages support for to$u, by anyone "purportedly" promoting OHIO, is a detriment to OHIO. I have said that many times on here, and I cannot see Anyway you can change my mind about that. You're right, the student attendance has been great and generally always is. The question I have is: does the student attendance alone justify additional seating to be built? I would say for games like homecoming and the home opener, yes, but it's going to look awfully bare come November. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/24/2014 2:21:55 PM  RSBobcat/borna wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: RSBobcat/borna wrote: catfan28 wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Finally figured out who this poster is - the same guy who estimates the crowds for the annual Halloween block party. Almost full? Really - how about 40% full at best. Hey, I sit near midfield. It's not like I'm walking around checking out how each section looks. It looked that way from my perspective... 40%? That is disingenuous at best. It was at least 18K - prolly close to 19K. Tell me where 8K more would have fit? eh... you're both wrong. It was more than 40% full, but there sure as hell weren't 18 or 19k there either. There were tons of empty seats. 19k with a pretty much empty hill means that seats would have been at a premium. definitely not the case. We gotta get this to a better science. So - where would an additional 8K, 9K, whatever you think open capacity was have sit? Start with the hill - how many is a full hill? I say 1,200 MAX OK - here is the science. Each side of the original stadium - 7176 Each of the wings - 2464 Each side of the Phillips Club - 544 Each side of handicap spots - 36 Tower - 814 If my math is right, that is 21254. Add in the hill, the Touchdown Club and the press box seating and you have somewhere in the neighborhood of 24,000. Until someone does a FOI request for the number of actual season tickets sold, we'll continue to just be guessing. Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,707 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/24/2014 3:09:06 PM  GoCats105 wrote: RSBobcat/borna wrote: Ozcat wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa... Like it or not, a ton of students would rather watch OSU beatdown Rutgers than sit in Peden for 3.5 hours and watch MACtion. All I'm saying is give that segment (which is larger than any of us want to believe) the opportunity to do both. edit: I apologize for the link. No idea why it won't post correctly... I don't like it. And I don't see any evidence to prove your "point". We have a great student attendance this year, and the last couple years. And why "give that segment", to whatever degree it might exist, More opportunities to either remain, or become "turncoats"/"dualists"??? If anything, your proposition would either create more opportunities for that to happen, actually support any ongoing and future diluted level of support. ANYTHING that encourages support for to$u, by anyone "purportedly" promoting OHIO, is a detriment to OHIO. I have said that many times on here, and I cannot see Anyway you can change my mind about that. You're right, the student attendance has been great and generally always is. The question I have is: does the student attendance alone justify additional seating to be built? I would say for games like homecoming and the home opener, yes, but it's going to look awfully bare come November. Saw in the paper today that Michigan is slashing what it charges students for football game season tickets by 35 or so percent - hoping to counter a dropoff in student attendance of some 6,000 per game. Recently the WSJ ran a story on how some "power" programs are very worried about drops in student attendance and students who come but leave after half-time. At Alabama there is now a drawing each game for a semester of free tuition. Administrators worry that if students don't become fans while in school, they are less likely to become fans - and supporters - later. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,707 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/24/2014 3:13:25 PM  Alan Swank wrote: RSBobcat/borna wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: RSBobcat/borna wrote: catfan28 wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Finally figured out who this poster is - the same guy who estimates the crowds for the annual Halloween block party. Almost full? Really - how about 40% full at best. Hey, I sit near midfield. It's not like I'm walking around checking out how each section looks. It looked that way from my perspective... 40%? That is disingenuous at best. It was at least 18K - prolly close to 19K. Tell me where 8K more would have fit? eh... you're both wrong. It was more than 40% full, but there sure as hell weren't 18 or 19k there either. There were tons of empty seats. 19k with a pretty much empty hill means that seats would have been at a premium. definitely not the case. We gotta get this to a better science. So - where would an additional 8K, 9K, whatever you think open capacity was have sit? Start with the hill - how many is a full hill? I say 1,200 MAX OK - here is the science. Each side of the original stadium - 7176 Each of the wings - 2464 Each side of the Phillips Club - 544 Each side of handicap spots - 36 Tower - 814 If my math is right, that is 21254. Add in the hill, the Touchdown Club and the press box seating and you have somewhere in the neighborhood of 24,000. Until someone does a FOI request for the number of actual season tickets sold, we'll continue to just be guessing. To your totals, Alan, I would add some for standing roomers - of whom I've seen many in the north corners. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: Akron predctions and attendence    Posted: 10/24/2014 4:09:32 PM  Many of those standing in the north end are actual seat holders who watch parts of the game from down there. I know I do from time to time (you can only get up and down so many times in those chair backs on the 50 before it gets old). 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