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Offset that against how columbus creamed a kents we struggled against. To me, the truth is that we'll win some five or so more games just because we're better than the oppo. But here's the issue: Are we going to fix the very, very, very, evident problems on offense (which I've noted elsewhere on these threads, some points for years..as others have also noted). Those problems on offense keep repeating. The obvious conclusion is that they are not talent problems. They are coaching and scheme problems. (A) After 3 games, we're 1-2. This is where most of us predicted we would be. (B) With the possible exception of NIU, there isn't a game left on the schedule that we will look as bad as we have the last 2 weeks...and we get NIU at home so don't write that one off either. BG will be tough, but who knows which BG team shows up, and I like our chances in that one now after seeing them a couple of times. (C) 7 wins gets us a bowl bid. Hell, 6 wins may. Only the most unrealistic Kool-Aid drinkers expected more than 7 or 8 wins this season. (D) The offense has issues. Some of these were expected--youth and inexperience, but I thought the offense looked much improved yesterday. It's going to get better. (E) Play-calling is a problem. I think we only have 10 plays we run, and it is not too difficult to predict what play is coming. Having QBs that are more dynamic than what we have seen in recent years is helping, but even in 2011, we had much more creativity in play design. (F) Maybe (E) gets better as (D) gets better. I hope so, because there is a lot to like about this set of players moving forward, and I would hate to see that wasted by coaches refusing to utilize the players. (G) The world is not ending because Marshall finally beat us. The world is not ending because of how Marshall beat us. They were due. Congratulations to them. It's time to move on. (H) Idaho is not good. We win the next 2, by a lot, and the green Kool-Aid will be flowing again as we go into October. (I) MAC East. (J) MAC Championship. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,447 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 3:08:47 PM  C Money wrote: I'mma quote Monroe from another thread, because it needs to be restated and not lost in the Terdite gloating: Monroe Slavin wrote: The last posts in this thread are correct---Kentucky isn't bad, stupd cow is good and they REALLY wanted yesterday for revenge on the last three years and because they have somewhat legit undefeated aspirations. Offset that against how columbus creamed a kents we struggled against. To me, the truth is that we'll win some five or so more games just because we're better than the oppo. But here's the issue: Are we going to fix the very, very, very, evident problems on offense (which I've noted elsewhere on these threads, some points for years..as others have also noted). Those problems on offense keep repeating. The obvious conclusion is that they are not talent problems. They are coaching and scheme problems. (A) After 3 games, we're 1-2. This is where most of us predicted we would be. (B) With the possible exception of NIU, there isn't a game left on the schedule that we will look as bad as we have the last 2 weeks...and we get NIU at home so don't write that one off either. BG will be tough, but who knows which BG team shows up, and I like our chances in that one now after seeing them a couple of times. (C) 7 wins gets us a bowl bid. Hell, 6 wins may. Only the most unrealistic Kool-Aid drinkers expected more than 7 or 8 wins this season. (D) The offense has issues. Some of these were expected--youth and inexperience, but I thought the offense looked much improved yesterday. It's going to get better. (E) Play-calling is a problem. I think we only have 10 plays we run, and it is not too difficult to predict what play is coming. Having QBs that are more dynamic than what we have seen in recent years is helping, but even in 2011, we had much more creativity in play design. (F) Maybe (E) gets better as (D) gets better. I hope so, because there is a lot to like about this set of players moving forward, and I would hate to see that wasted by coaches refusing to utilize the players. (G) The world is not ending because Marshall finally beat us. The world is not ending because of how Marshall beat us. They were due. Congratulations to them. It's time to move on. (H) Idaho is not good. We win the next 2, by a lot, and the green Kool-Aid will be flowing again as we go into October. (I) MAC East. (J) MAC Championship. +1 Works for me Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,152 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 3:53:02 PM  I know it's still early and we can't tell much about how teams are doing. But here's the rest of our schedule: Idaho 0-2 EIU 0-3 at CMU 2-1 BG 2-1 Akron 1-1 at WMU 1-1 Buffalo 1-2 NIU 3-0 at Fiami 0-3 Six of nine at home. Only three of the nine have winning records, and only one of those is on the road. There's plenty of opportunity there. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 3:57:57 PM  What is the goal exactly? To beat the worst teams in college football? Back to Top ou1982 General User Member Since: 3/5/2011 Post Count: 140 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 4:19:06 PM  i gotta say i'm with c money on this. i was thinking we needed to get counselors on the site yesterday for all the doomsday talk. now, in two weeks if we are not 3-2, then i'd say the wheels have fallen off. the MAC east is still possible. So is a MAC Championship. I don't expect either, but it's still possible. we ARE 1-0 in the conference. i'd say kentucky and marshall are both pretty good football teams. we played three games on the road and we were huge underdogs in two of them. vegas thought we would be 0-3 i think at this point. they do it for a living. the rest of us just think our lives depend on the Bobcats. are we a great football team? certainly not at this point. will we get better as the season progresses? i certainly hope so. so relax and realize these are growing pains. let's get a win saturday. then another one the following week and then evaluate. Back to Top Beat Michigan General User Member Since: 8/15/2013 Location: Almost Heaven Post Count: 245 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 4:24:17 PM  Paul Graham wrote: What is the goal exactly? To beat the worst teams in college football? Obviously.... Win out I assume is the goal. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,064 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 5:17:04 PM  Paul Graham wrote: What is the goal exactly? To beat the worst teams in college football? Rather than give a facile answer, I thought about your question, and decided it needs to be answered on multiple levels. There are goals related to the players, to the team, and to the University. In fact, there are a lot of goals. 1. To coach the players to each improve their individual skills 2. To encourage the players to have academic success 3. To teach the players good work and play habits, and leadership skills 4. To enhance the college experience for all students 5. To increase the University's awareness across the country 6. To increase ties to alumni across the country, and to increase their connectedness to campus 7. To increase giving to the University 8. To attract more and better students to the University 9. To promote ties to the local community, closing the town-gown gap 10. To attract people to Athens, and promote growth in SE Ohio 11. To win games without compromising integrity 12. To go to bowl games 13. To win championships No doubt each of us has individual goals for what they would like to see happen, and each of us would rank my 13 goals that I listed above in a different order in terms of importance, or they might have additional goals that I haven't thought of. How we each rank these goals no doubt affects our perception of the level of "success" or "failure" of each individual team, and of the coaching staff in general. As for this year's team, they are exactly where I predicted before the season that they would be. They have done some thing better than I expected, and some things worse. I'm still behind them 100%, and I still expect 7-8 wins this year. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,894 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 6:25:10 PM  Folks, this is NOT one game or ONE season. This goes back over the last 20 games or so. This staff and these players are not getting it done NOW. I loved this hire and I love what this staff has done for OHIO football. But since years 7/8 this staff is not getting it done on the field. Back to Top OhioBobcat General User Member Since: 1/20/2006 Post Count: 1,546 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 6:46:06 PM  People, we're in FIRST place in the MAC right now! There isn't a team in the conference that wouldn't trade us places in the MAC standings. We lost to an SEC team on the road and to CUSA's best team on the road as well. Some of you need to get a damn grip already and stop your damn complaining. Back to Top ou79 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 644 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 7:05:01 PM  I agree with PG, Monroe and others. Although yesterday was brutal to watch or listen to, the game only served to expose what has been happening for a long time. This program has serious weaknesses and I am not talking about this season. I love the hiring of Frank and am deeply appreciative of all he has done here so please do not jump on me for what I am about to say. This program is not going to the next level with the current staff. Each year it is basically the same thing. Do we usually end up being better than the bottom feeders in the MAC? Yes. However, it is year ten (10) of Frank and Co. and we are no where near to winning the MACC. If we win the East this year it is because the East consists basically of some really bad teams. Apparently some of you love bottom feeding and mediocrity but there are some on here that think/hope we could do better and after ten years (10) we do not see that happening! Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,894 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 7:56:59 PM  And, L.C. this is major college football. Reverse the order of your goals and you are right. But, it ALL starts with winning championships. That will bring those other things. If the other things are coming now it is NOT because of football. Back to Top TheBobcatBandit General User Member Since: 8/25/2013 Post Count: 611 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 8:13:41 PM  What has happened for a long time????? We go to 5 straight bowls and have records in attendance. I'm happy where we're at and think we are close to stepping up a level. Just be patient. A MACC is on it's way in the next 3 years. When we win that will we complain about only making MACC games and not making BCS bowls. Where does it stop. Yes these aren't great teams we play but they're the ones we have scheduled. and we win most of those games. Unless you expect us to move to the big 10 us playing and beating bad teams is not going to change. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,447 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 9:13:40 PM  I find most of this thread amusing. For a significant part of Ohio's gridiron history, Ohio has been just awful in football. Up until Coach Solich came, with the rare exception of a year here or there, Ohio has just plain sucked in football for two generations, literally. Now, because OUr coach can't beat an SEC team on the road nor does he beat a potentially Top 25 team on the road he's "not getting it done"? And all this while the team sits atop the MAC East! When did we as a fan base become so demanding? PG asked, what is our goal, beating mediocre teams? No. Our goal at the very most is a MAC Championship, nothing more. A goal which ironically is still attainable for Ohio. Neither a national championship nor a BCS bowl has never ever been nor will it ever be attainable for Ohio. Ever. Ohio is not that kind of school that will support the effort to get to that level and it will never have the infrastructure to do so. So given that, Coach Solich has gotten Ohio almost as far as Ohio can get, IMHO. Back to Top RPO R6V General User Member Since: 1/7/2005 Post Count: 206 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 9:44:15 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Neither a national championship nor a BCS bowl has never ever been nor will it ever be attainable for Ohio. Ever. So how did NIU manage the latter? Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,447 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 10:10:13 PM  RPO R6V wrote: Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Neither a national championship nor a BCS bowl has never ever been nor will it ever be attainable for Ohio. Ever. So how did NIU manage the latter? Better facilities all the way around, for one. Their stadium's larger and nicer, thereby helping to attract better recruits. Ohio's just catching up now on an indoor practice facility. NIU's had one for awhile. NIU's devoted more resources and for a longer period of time. And I guess I would go so far as to say NIU's 2012 season was an outlier-as I recall several teams had to lose at the end of the season for them to make the Orange Bowl. And, NIU was able to recruit an absolute difference-maker at quarterback in Jordan Lynch. As good as Tettleton sometimes was in 2011 and 2012, Lynch was better. Damn straight I hope Ohio plays in an Orange Bowl some day. I highly doubt it though, especially with the realignment of power that's occurred with the Big 5 conferences and everyone else. Last Edited: 9/14/2014 10:22:14 PM by Mark Lembright '85 Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,043 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/14/2014 11:17:38 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: I find most of this thread amusing. For a significant part of Ohio's gridiron history, Ohio has been just awful in football. Up until Coach Solich came, with the rare exception of a year here or there, Ohio has just plain sucked in football for two generations, literally. Now, because OUr coach can't beat an SEC team on the road nor does he beat a potentially Top 25 team on the road he's "not getting it done"? And all this while the team sits atop the MAC East! When did we as a fan base become so demanding? PG asked, what is our goal, beating mediocre teams? No. Our goal at the very most is a MAC Championship, nothing more. A goal which ironically is still attainable for Ohio. Neither a national championship nor a BCS bowl has never ever been nor will it ever be attainable for Ohio. Ever. Ohio is not that kind of school that will support the effort to get to that level and it will never have the infrastructure to do so. So given that, Coach Solich has gotten Ohio almost as far as Ohio can get, IMHO. Yeah. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/15/2014 12:41:39 AM  The points of satisfaction and disappointment all have elements of truth. The reality is somewhere in the middle: much, much better than before, but stagnation lately. For the umpteenth time, unless this offense shows some scheme/play-calling/playing-the-right-players imagination then there are going to be big, justifiable complaints. When our offensive approach is such that the opposition's D-coordinator must love what we do, then there are problems. See, this team has A LOT of potential** but I can't see it approaching it with the stale/stuck offense we have. **As L.C. tells us, the 2010 recruiting class ended up kinda a black hole but the talent in the last two classes and the next one is notably better than Coach has brought in to date. Much better, deeper talent now. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top goherd25 General User Member Since: 5/17/2012 Post Count: 143 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/15/2014 1:16:47 AM  Now that i got my crap talking out of the way.... You guys will be fine. I am not sure that vick should be starting instead of sprague though. I think your Oline is good, secondary is also good. Alot of the balls we caught were tighlty contested and some had small windows that were just good passes. You did well against our rushing game, relatively, and we have a legitimate rushing attack this season, not just a decoy for Cato. This is the bet Marshall team we have had since 2002, maybe even 1999. You guys will beat the shit out of idaho and i think you can do good things by seasons end. Replacing aomeone like tettleton is not easy but time will make the QB better. But your coach needs to pick one and stay with them. If you have two.....you dont have any. Back to Top Cat-staxx General User Member Since: 9/14/2014 Post Count: 23 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/15/2014 1:43:41 AM  CMU and BG will be tough both played extremely well in their recent games against their power five opponents granted both came from the Big 10 and Akron seems to look much improved from recent years and NIU looks strong again. Games are still very winnable just hope the Cats don't suffer another October slump like they've had the past couple years. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,910 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/15/2014 8:12:05 AM  TheBobcatBandit wrote: What has happened for a long time????? We go to 5 straight bowls and have records in attendance. I'm happy where we're at and think we are close to stepping up a level. Just be patient. A MACC is on it's way in the next 3 years. When we win that will we complain about only making MACC games and not making BCS bowls. Where does it stop. Yes these aren't great teams we play but they're the ones we have scheduled. and we win most of those games. Unless you expect us to move to the big 10 us playing and beating bad teams is not going to change. Patient? How is 10 years not patient? I understand the program was awful 10 years ago, but awful enough that it takes 10 years to build it back up? Cmon. The MAC title is as close as its ever been, this staff just hasn't got us over the hump. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,910 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/15/2014 8:15:35 AM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: I find most of this thread amusing. For a significant part of Ohio's gridiron history, Ohio has been just awful in football. Up until Coach Solich came, with the rare exception of a year here or there, Ohio has just plain sucked in football for two generations, literally. Now, because OUr coach can't beat an SEC team on the road nor does he beat a potentially Top 25 team on the road he's "not getting it done"? And all this while the team sits atop the MAC East! When did we as a fan base become so demanding? PG asked, what is our goal, beating mediocre teams? No. Our goal at the very most is a MAC Championship, nothing more. A goal which ironically is still attainable for Ohio. Neither a national championship nor a BCS bowl has never ever been nor will it ever be attainable for Ohio. Ever. Ohio is not that kind of school that will support the effort to get to that level and it will never have the infrastructure to do so. So given that, Coach Solich has gotten Ohio almost as far as Ohio can get, IMHO. Mark you may in fact be right. But that begs the question: what are we doing here then? Schools aren't lowering to FCS because the onlt thing attainable is a conference title game. Schools are doing the opposite, because lucrative bowl games are attainable at the FBS level. So why can't people like myself have higher expectations? Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,064 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/15/2014 8:49:15 AM  RPO R6V wrote: Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Neither a national championship nor a BCS bowl has never ever been nor will it ever be attainable for Ohio. Ever. So how did NIU manage the latter? The other thing is that NIU has an additional advantage over the rest of the MAC. It is kind of an outlier in terms of the MAC footprint. There are no other G5 teams in Illinois, nor Wisconsin, nor Iowa, nor Minnesota. Those states don't have the depth of talent that Ohio has, but they don't have as many teams trying to recruit the area, either. In general NIU competes with FCS teams in those recruiting areas. There aren't all that many FCS teams, there, either, so teams like North Dakota State and Northern Iowa have tended to be very good FCS teams. Lately I notice that MAC teams like Toledo, Ball State, BG, and Western Michigan have been moving their recruiting west into that area as well. BG, for example, has a 4-star QB recruit this year from Wisconsin. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,043 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/15/2014 8:58:56 AM  Re NIU. Its interesting that their advantages haven't helped them in basketball. Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/15/2014 9:17:41 AM  L.C. wrote: The other thing is that NIU has an additional advantage over the rest of the MAC. It is kind of an outlier in terms of the MAC footprint. There are no other G5 teams in Illinois, nor Wisconsin, nor Iowa, nor Minnesota. Those states don't have the depth of talent that Ohio has, but they don't have as many teams trying to recruit the area, either. In general NIU competes with FCS teams in those recruiting areas. There aren't all that many FCS teams, there, either, so teams like North Dakota State and Northern Iowa have tended to be very good FCS teams. And Illinois has been really down. Zook recruited well and got them to a Rose Bowl, but except for that fleeting moment of success there isn't a lot to draw Chicago-area talent to Champaign. I saw a story a few years ago making a similar comparison between Boise State and Colorado. Basically, Boise has been able to recruit from areas (in California, especially) that Colorado was recruiting in the early-to-mid-nineties. The result has been Boise's rise and Colorado's fall. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,447 Status: Offline     RE: Back up off the ledge, people    Posted: 9/15/2014 9:59:32 AM  GoCats105 wrote: Mark Lembright '85 wrote: I find most of this thread amusing. For a significant part of Ohio's gridiron history, Ohio has been just awful in football. Up until Coach Solich came, with the rare exception of a year here or there, Ohio has just plain sucked in football for two generations, literally. Now, because OUr coach can't beat an SEC team on the road nor does he beat a potentially Top 25 team on the road he's "not getting it done"? And all this while the team sits atop the MAC East! When did we as a fan base become so demanding? PG asked, what is our goal, beating mediocre teams? No. Our goal at the very most is a MAC Championship, nothing more. A goal which ironically is still attainable for Ohio. Neither a national championship nor a BCS bowl has never ever been nor will it ever be attainable for Ohio. Ever. Ohio is not that kind of school that will support the effort to get to that level and it will never have the infrastructure to do so. So given that, Coach Solich has gotten Ohio almost as far as Ohio can get, IMHO. Mark you may in fact be right. But that begs the question: what are we doing here then? Schools aren't lowering to FCS because the onlt thing attainable is a conference title game. Schools are doing the opposite, because lucrative bowl games are attainable at the FBS level. So why can't people like myself have higher expectations? What are we doing here-what's the purpose? To see the Marching 110 perform! Duh! But seriously, I guess it's what it's always been-win the MACC and all that winning a MACC entails. What's the team's purpose? The same that it's been for the last umteen years really-provide an enjoyable Fall afternoon (I mean really, what's nicer than Athens in the Fall!? Well, Athens in the Spring but I digress) for it's fans, win the game that's on the schedule and act in a manner that reflects well on the school, its students and its fans. I admit, my answer is very "Polyannish". But for me, I've never had any delusions where Ohio stands within the grand Ponzi scheme known as NCAA Division 1 football. And you can indeed have higher expectations but please realize the high cost associated with wanting to achieve more. Coach Solich makes a great deal of money but didn't I read somewhere that he's not even within the top 90 of college football coaches? And many people within the Ohio University community moaned and groaned when when he got the raise he did get. And in major college football what Solich is making is chump change! Ohio just now got an IPF and it's no-frills one at that (granted, I love the place). A lot of the MAC has had an IPF for years, so it's not like Ohio's racing ahead of anyone there. Quite frankly, where it not for the Walter faamily's financial contribution there'd be no IPF now. Ohio barely had the financial resources just to renovate the players' locker room. And what I'm about to say will be heresy to a lot of you but it is what it is-Peden Stadium's a dump. I mean really. The Tower has been renovated and from the outside looks OK, but look down in the concourse where refreshments are. It's like the Luray Caverns of Virginia down there for heavens' sake. I am being harsh, Peden's quaint and has its charm, at least to us. I like Peden. But as far as major college football stadiums go? I don't think so. And our ticket prices are much, much cheaper than at other large schools yet many people complain about how expensive our tickets already are. All this is why I say Ohio doesn't have the infrastructure nor the stomach to elevate itself into the big football conferences, and I for one am more than OK with that. Last Edited: 9/15/2014 10:04:09 AM by Mark Lembright '85 Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 38 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 198 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 196 Guests 2 Registered Users:   Kinggeorge4, FJC31 There are no other users looking at this page.

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