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Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/13/2014 3:48:53 PM  Here's the guy who shredded us today: https://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recr... But does he have the "heart" of our fabulous walk-ons?! Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,471 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/13/2014 6:06:48 PM  Bcat2 wrote: C Jesperse 41 starts walk-on QB Cato' 37 starts, two offers WR Shuler, 26 starts, three offers Yeah and Marshall had 30 non-qualifiers on their roster. No thanks, I do NOT want to be that program. OHIO is far from perfect, but we have not sold our soul. Back to Top MARSHALL General User Member Since: 9/13/2014 Post Count: 11 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/13/2014 6:27:06 PM  Does Marshall do anything illegal? No. We give kids a chance that would never normally get one. We also do an excellent job getting those kids qualified. No need for sour grapes because of this loss. Best of luck going forward. Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/13/2014 9:40:29 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Bcat2 wrote: C Jesperse 41 starts walk-on QB Cato' 37 starts, two offers WR Shuler, 26 starts, three offers Yeah and Marshall had 30 non-qualifiers on their roster. No thanks, I do NOT want to be that program. OHIO is far from perfect, but we have not sold our soul. I think I read that Solich's roster had 50+ players with 3.0 or better. 57 I think. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top mlblack16 General User Member Since: 9/13/2014 Post Count: 9 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/13/2014 9:50:58 PM  The whole "props" thing is quite comical. Kids either go the JUCO route or they can go somewhere like Marshall which basically has its own community college and we can keep our recruits closer to the program while they qualify. Many do not qualify, but at least they are given a shot. You do not have the luxury of turning down talent like this any more than we do, don't fool yourself. You guys can pretend that you're Notre Dame and only recruit 4-star talent with 4.0 GPA's out of high school, but you would be lying. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/13/2014 10:28:53 PM  MARSHALL wrote: Does Marshall do anything illegal? No. We give kids a chance that would never normally get one. We also do an excellent job getting those kids qualified. No need for sour grapes because of this loss. Best of luck going forward. Nothing wrong with a few borderline qualifiers. But when your rosters stacked with 'em, then you care little for the quality of your academics (hello stupd cow!) and a whole lot about your football (for the record, before today who won the last three games between us?). Maybe you can get some intelligent person from O H I O to explain this to you repeatedly. Because, apparently, your studpd cow education leaves you with inability to reason, to understand perspective. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top penn2moss General User Member Since: 9/10/2012 Post Count: 37 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 12:03:50 AM  You act like we are a team full of props. Cato, Shuler, Johnson, etc are not props. I would LOVE for one of you amazingly educated Bobcats to explain how signing a few props a year is different than you signing several JUCO players a year. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,471 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 12:23:57 AM  penn2moss wrote: You act like we are a team full of props. Cato, Shuler, Johnson, etc are not props. I would LOVE for one of you amazingly educated Bobcats to explain how signing a few props a year is different than you signing several JUCO players a year. A few a year? That's 30 on your entire roster, that does not count the ones who were signed and washed out. Marshall football is a joke academically! And you never won an MAC Title without cheating. And next year will be like the last 3. Back to Top MARSHALL General User Member Since: 9/13/2014 Post Count: 11 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 12:40:47 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: MARSHALL wrote: Does Marshall do anything illegal? No. We give kids a chance that would never normally get one. We also do an excellent job getting those kids qualified. No need for sour grapes because of this loss. Best of luck going forward. Nothing wrong with a few borderline qualifiers. But when your rosters stacked with 'em, then you care little for the quality of your academics (hello stupd cow!) and a whole lot about your football (for the record, before today who won the last three games between us?). Maybe you can get some intelligent person from O H I O to explain this to you repeatedly. Because, apparently, your studpd cow education leaves you with inability to reason, to understand perspective. I appreciate the irony of you touting your intelligence while using an ad hominem logical fallacy. We teach English at Marshall. If I need any instruction from a university in Ohio, I will consult Ohio State. My MBA is from there, and I live in Columbus. Thank you for your offer, but I am comfortable without the aid of some intelligent person from O H I O . I have found those who feel the need to profess personal intelligence usually lack it. Back to Top Felix General User Member Since: 11/26/2010 Post Count: 112 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 12:43:07 AM  Anybody who proudly uses the name Moss in their user name isn't likely to understand the difference, so I'll try to make it simple. Ohio doesn't have clandestine assistance programs at junior colleges, and the junior colleges do not have any incentive or pressure to academically qualify athletes for us. You have a good football team, but your program is still not respected by many who know how it was built in the past. Back to Top penn2moss General User Member Since: 9/10/2012 Post Count: 37 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 1:55:24 AM  Felix wrote: Anybody who proudly uses the name Moss in their user name isn't likely to understand the difference, so I'll try to make it simple. Ohio doesn't have clandestine assistance programs at junior colleges, and the junior colleges do not have any incentive or pressure to academically qualify athletes for us. You have a good football team, but your program is still not respected by many who know how it was built in the past. Thank you sir for that horrible attempt at trying to justify the tail kicking you took today. JUCOs have no incentive to get kids eligible? That might be the craziest thing I have ever read. They have every incentive in the world to get kids eligible. There is no difference between JUCO and props. How in the world we convince anyone to prop is amazing to me. Why would you sign with Marshall when you can go to JUCO and keep your SEC offers? It is far from the amazing advantage some try convince themselves that it is. Back to Top penn2moss General User Member Since: 9/10/2012 Post Count: 37 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 2:03:30 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: penn2moss wrote: You act like we are a team full of props. Cato, Shuler, Johnson, etc are not props. I would LOVE for one of you amazingly educated Bobcats to explain how signing a few props a year is different than you signing several JUCO players a year. A few a year? That's 30 on your entire roster, that does not count the ones who were signed and washed out. Marshall football is a joke academically! And you never won an MAC Title without cheating. And next year will be like the last 3. Prove the "30 players" line you keep spouting. Marshall football has a higher APR than Ohio football, but keep telling yourself whatever you want. Back to Top Felix General User Member Since: 11/26/2010 Post Count: 112 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 8:09:50 AM  The perception is that Marshall believes in winning at any cost and has historically been willing to break the rules. That high winning percentage is tainted by years of cheating and that stirs up anger. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,471 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 9:24:49 AM  penn2moss wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: penn2moss wrote: You act like we are a team full of props. Cato, Shuler, Johnson, etc are not props. I would LOVE for one of you amazingly educated Bobcats to explain how signing a few props a year is different than you signing several JUCO players a year. A few a year? That's 30 on your entire roster, that does not count the ones who were signed and washed out. Marshall football is a joke academically! And you never won an MAC Title without cheating. And next year will be like the last 3. Prove the "30 players" line you keep spouting. Marshall football has a higher APR than Ohio football, but keep telling yourself whatever you want. Hell you had 5 from last years class alone, and another 5 you signed who never made it period, so that's 10kids in one year. Times that out by 4 and you can easily see how great the numbers are. As for where I get my exact number of 30 I stand by that figure. Back to Top WeAreMarshall General User Member Since: 8/20/2010 Post Count: 62 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 11:23:55 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: penn2moss wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: penn2moss wrote: You act like we are a team full of props. Cato, Shuler, Johnson, etc are not props. I would LOVE for one of you amazingly educated Bobcats to explain how signing a few props a year is different than you signing several JUCO players a year. A few a year? That's 30 on your entire roster, that does not count the ones who were signed and washed out. Marshall football is a joke academically! And you never won an MAC Title without cheating. And next year will be like the last 3. Prove the "30 players" line you keep spouting. Marshall football has a higher APR than Ohio football, but keep telling yourself whatever you want. Hell you had 5 from last years class alone, and another 5 you signed who never made it period, so that's 10kids in one year. Times that out by 4 and you can easily see how great the numbers are. As for where I get my exact number of 30 I stand by that figure. Marshall will take up to four non-qualifiers a year. These kids have the base GPA requirements to enter school, most just don't have a high enough GPA to participate in athletics. Every school has its own set of entrance requirements. Any kid has the right to enroll in school if they meet those minimum requirements its just that under NCAA rules, a prospective student athlete cant receive scholarship or participate in team activities and must improve their grades before they can participate. Some of them work out, some don't. Many of them that don't work out end up going the Juco route to try and improve their grades. There are many schools across the country outside of Marshall that take NQ's. Some of it depends on the conference you are in. When ECU was in CUSA, they took NQ's all the time. Now that they are in the American, that conference doesn't allow them. A lot of people simply don't understand the process or what it all amounts to so at times it gets a bad rep. Truth is, a lot of college athletes across the country has benefited from the rule and become good student athletes and citizens. Whether they go the student non-qualifer route or Juco doesn't really matter if he/she gets qualifying grades to participate. Back to Top HerdFan12 General User Member Since: 9/14/2014 Post Count: 1 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 11:25:14 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: Bcat2 wrote: C Jesperse 41 starts walk-on QB Cato' 37 starts, two offers WR Shuler, 26 starts, three offers Yeah and Marshall had 30 non-qualifiers on their roster. No thanks, I do NOT want to be that program. OHIO is far from perfect, but we have not sold our soul. Every last one of Marshall's so called NQers that was brought in in 2013 posted a 3.25 or better with 1 posting a 4.0 and 5 posting a 3.85 or better. Most NQers are not dumb, they are usually quite smart. They become NQers because of 2 reasons usually: 1)A real learning disability that wasn't caught in 13 years of school or 2)A school would rather just pass a kid because they are the star of the community. Enjoy your competitive game with Little Miami. It should be a real slobberknocker of a game. Back to Top MARSHALL General User Member Since: 9/13/2014 Post Count: 11 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 11:57:03 AM  If Ohio fans are certain we are doing something illegal, report us. Problem solved. Non-Qualifiers are generally students from poor socioeconomic backgrounds. They face challenges and barriers to building quality educational foundations. If you are hungry, homeless, and lack parental interest, it is very hard to study and perform well There is actually little variation within the actual intelligence quotient. Additionally, some have learning disabilities, but lack the resources or concern for early intervention. We offer a HELP program to all students (not just athletes) to prepare them for a college education. It is a nationally recognized program. Your perception is not a valid argument. Making the claim that "many" know how we win is another logical fallacy known as an appeal to popularity. Again, if you are aware of an actual violation, report it. Back to Top Felix General User Member Since: 11/26/2010 Post Count: 112 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 12:10:33 PM  Do these students still get advance copies of exams? Are your special humanitarian programs offered only to prospective athletes? We don't want to be you, but you really want to be envied; otherwise you wouldn't be trolling this board. Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 12:16:33 PM  I'd like to return to the purpose of this thread which was easily refuted. BTW, here's the rivals page of the other receiver that shredded us yesterday: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-D... Care to respond Bcat2? The fact is, you CANNOT be competitive with teams like Marshall (this year) and Kentucky without some great athletes. In the past we got players like this by finding hidden gems (Brazill) or dumb luck (TJ Carrie). The players that beat us yesterday weren't preferred walk-ons or folks that no one wanted. We ran up against real BCS talent and got WORKED. Back to Top MARSHALL General User Member Since: 9/13/2014 Post Count: 11 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 12:19:51 PM  You know the students get these privileges. Why not act? With this inside information, you should immediately report. Claiming we want to be you is another fallacy known as a red herring. I think it reflects more on your lack of proof of wrongdoing, rather than, your superior intelligence and academic superiority. Perhaps, we are defending our school against biased accusations based on illogical assumptions. If I wanted to attend Ohio, I would have. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 1:13:00 PM  Yes, we got routed yesterday. stupd cow was clearly better. All most of us ask is that you cow admit that we've won 3 of 4 with our rout of you (44-7, right?) being worse than what you did to us. Too many of you act as if you always have been, are, and always will be so very much better than us. Seems to me that on this forum a much, much smaller proportion of OHIO have acted that way toward you when we won. So many cow act as if herd is proven anointed this year. Why don't we wait for the whole season to play out before we do that. And for the record, when you went undefeated in MAC (whole year...at least up to bowl season) I was the one saying that you deserved to be ranked no less than #3 or #4 given how very difficult it is to go undefeated. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 1:24:50 PM  MARSHALL wrote: You know the students get these privileges. Why not act? With this inside information, you should immediately report. Claiming we want to be you is another fallacy known as a red herring. I think it reflects more on your lack of proof of wrongdoing, rather than, your superior intelligence and academic superiority. Perhaps, we are defending our school against biased accusations based on illogical assumptions. If I wanted to attend Ohio, I would have. Perhaps, but except for two fans, the sudden boom in the Marshall fanbase's interest in posting on this board didn't happen until after the game. Seems to me, then, that the majority of you derive some major sense of personal validation from a football team. You only get the courage to confront Ohio partisans to "defend your school" once your football team has defeated Ohio's team. But dude, it's just football. If a winning football team is what you need to face the day and take a stand for what you feel is right, you need to re-examine your priorities in life. Also, I think the logical fallacy you're looking for is argument from ignorance. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And the fact remains, although you guys can throw out that 12-5 since whenever stat (which TOTALLY is the only timeframe that matters, because that's when Marshall was good and Ohio wasn't, so forget the prior 70 years or so), but there is a giant asterisk next to that 12. Also also, logically prove to me that 44-14 > 44-7. I don't think you can. But that doesn't matter, does it? Because DA HERD IS BACK, BABY! WOOOOOOOO! ONE GAME WINNING STREAK VERSUS OHIO! THE WORLD IS NORMAL AGAIN! Back to Top MARSHALL General User Member Since: 9/13/2014 Post Count: 11 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 4:08:32 PM  C Money wrote: MARSHALL wrote: You know the students get these privileges. Why not act? With this inside information, you should immediately report. Claiming we want to be you is another fallacy known as a red herring. I think it reflects more on your lack of proof of wrongdoing, rather than, your superior intelligence and academic superiority. Perhaps, we are defending our school against biased accusations based on illogical assumptions. If I wanted to attend Ohio, I would have. Perhaps, but except for two fans, the sudden boom in the Marshall fanbase's interest in posting on this board didn't happen until after the game. Seems to me, then, that the majority of you derive some major sense of personal validation from a football team. You only get the courage to confront Ohio partisans to "defend your school" once your football team has defeated Ohio's team. But dude, it's just football. If a winning football team is what you need to face the day and take a stand for what you feel is right, you need to re-examine your priorities in life. Also, I think the logical fallacy you're looking for is argument from ignorance. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And the fact remains, although you guys can throw out that 12-5 since whenever stat (which TOTALLY is the only timeframe that matters, because that's when Marshall was good and Ohio wasn't, so forget the prior 70 years or so), but there is a giant asterisk next to that 12. Also also, logically prove to me that 44-14 > 44-7. I don't think you can. But that doesn't matter, does it? Because DA HERD IS BACK, BABY! WOOOOOOOO! ONE GAME WINNING STREAK VERSUS OHIO! THE WORLD IS NORMAL AGAIN! Since I didn't make these claims, another red herring. Additionally, your Abscence of evidence may be appropriate if I had made the accusation. As you may not be aware, the burden of proof falls upon the accuser, not the accused. I would think the individual(s) committing libel based on illogical crackpot conspiracy theories related to losing a football game may need to examine priorities. Defamatory libel will not make everything right in Ohio University world. Using all caps generally makes you appear immature. Finally, reminiscing over the past is nostalgic, yet it doesn't help with the results of the present. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: 3 Key Marshall Seniors    Posted: 9/14/2014 5:36:14 PM  Selective facts or argument don't work. And the burden of proof is, by a presumption, allocated to the stupd cow who come here unable to be reasonably objective (and those of that ilk are vociferous here). Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! 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