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Deciduous Forest Cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: WalMart O$U fan arrogance
   Posted: 8/25/2014 6:02:58 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
I guess this writer didn't get the memo:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2014-08-25/exiled-michigan-state-forward-kaminski-lands-at-ohio-u-college-basketball-transfer-big-ten-izzo?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/08/25/0825-ohio-university-qb.html

Mark Znidar, Bobcat man in Buckeye town gets the memo.
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  Message Not Read  RE: WalMart O$U fan arrogance
   Posted: 8/25/2014 6:04:26 PM 
cc cat wrote:
JSF wrote:
perimeterpost wrote:
I live in TX and always say Ohio and never get questioned. 

I also live in Texas. I rarely have to clarify.


I live in North Carolina and rarely get questioned.  Do work throughout southeast rarely get questioned.  Largest client in Detroit (When I say Ohio they say "University... not Ohio State.")  Lived in NYC rarely got questioned.  Grew up in PA - rarely got questioned.   Interesting that the folks that most think there is confusion outside the state...live in the state.


I live in Columbus. I rarely have to clarify. In the rare instance that I do need to clarify, it doesn't bother me. It gives me an opportunity to talk positively about my school and my state.

Last Edited: 8/25/2014 6:07:03 PM by Joe McKinley
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   Posted: 8/25/2014 6:25:33 PM 

I absolutely believe the campaign to claim (or re-claim) our name is working. I always say OHIO and very rarely will I get any confusion. It has been my experience that the people who do get confused are generally pretty ignorant anyway. Here is a good example...

A couple of years ago, someone had posted a picture of a Budweiser sign that was advertising the OSU football schedule. This sign just stated "Ohio Football Schedule." I happened to know someone (a huge OSU fan) who works for one of the largest Bud distributors in the state, so I approached him about it. I let him know that they have the wrong teams schedule on that sign, that as stated, it should be Ohio's schedule. I could tell that the problem wasn’t registering, so I explained further. He looked at me with a blank face and said "But you're Ohio University." I said "very true and they are Ohio State University."  He still didn’t get it.
 
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   Posted: 8/25/2014 6:27:35 PM 
I think what some people are saying on here is being taken way out of context....Ohio State is the Big Dog in Ohio, and sometimes we look like idiots when we make these stupid attacks on them.  It is not being defeatist, it is being a realist.  A defeatist wouldn't even root for OU.  A realist would say.....OSU is the Big Dog, UC is the number 2, but UC is restrained to a small portion of the state.  The third slot should be us from an alumni and statewide appeal standpoint.  Our focus should be becoming the second statewide team in Ohio, and by doing that chip away from a few casual OSU and UC fans, possibly get some other lower tiered schools fans, and then we rally our fanbase and possibly create a few new fans along the way.

We need to be agressive towards OSU, but also understand that we could get some OSU fans to also be OU fans.  Some may say this settling for second, but I would say we are working towards securing second.

 
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  Message Not Read  RE: WalMart O$U fan arrogance
   Posted: 8/25/2014 7:03:37 PM 
giacomo wrote:
D.A, thanks for the history lesson. Hamilton Burger has nothing on you!  I never disagreed with our right to use it or own it, as we certainly do own it. I put it in the context of Coca Cola objecting to the moniker "Coke" or McDonald's trying to reverse the term"Mickey D's". In both cases the respective companies just went with the nicknames and incorporated it into their slogans and ads.

However we did it, we morphed into OU or Ohio U. But everybody knew the difference between us and them. I'm not sure that was so bad. They certainly have no right to it. I'm in complete agreement with that truth.

You analogy misses the mark widely because neither Coke nor McDonalds have someone else trying to use their name..  At the core, if you want to defend your name from encroachment, you HAVE to use it. Think about DA's post for a minute - there was one and only one reason why Ohio was able to prevent Ohio State from calling themselves Ohio, and that was because Ohio University has long called themselves "Ohio". If they stop trying to use that name, then they give up that name. If Ohio does not promote itself as "Ohio", then in the future they will not be able to stop the university up north from using the "Ohio" name.  It was precisely because Ohio "morphed into Ohio U" that Ohio State saw the opportunity to take the "Ohio" name. It didn't work this time, but if Ohio doesn't continue to insist on being called "Ohio", it might work the next time they try.

Maybe you see it as tilting at windmills. Maybe you see it as pointless. Nevertheless, from a legal perspective it is essential, because if they don't defend their name by using it, they lose it forever.  Note that if they didn't have the very real threat of someone else taking their name, they could be somewhat more flexible about what they let people call them. They don't have that luxury, however.

You say everyone knows the difference between you and them, and by all accounts that distinction causes less confusion in all parts of the country now than 15 years ago, so maybe the things Ohio has been doing are helping. Suppose Ohio were to relax their vigilance, and allow Ohio State to call themselves "Ohio", do you think that there would still be no confusion?

the123kid wrote:
I think what some people are saying on here is being taken way out of context....Ohio State is the Big Dog in Ohio, and sometimes we look like idiots when we make these stupid attacks on them.  It is not being defeatist, it is being a realist.  ...

The name issue goes way beyond a question of securing football fans, or not. The legal principle is clear: you either defend your name, or you give it up.  In my mind a realist realizes that, and insists that the University be called "Ohio". A defeatist says "they are the big dog, and we can't stop them from taking the Ohio name anyway", and then proposes renaming the school something unique that they can't take such as "Athens State University".

Note that I'm not saying hate on them. I'm just saying that it is very important to insist on being called "Ohio". It is important, and it isn't futile.

Alan Swank wrote:
Dispatch Article Mark Znidar, Bobcat man in Buckeye town gets the memo.

Perhaps, but he does make a different error. He says Vick is " the only quarterback on the roster with major-college experience.", but having watched Sprague on the field with my own eyes against EMU, I'm pretty sure he's wrong about that.

Last Edited: 8/25/2014 7:35:06 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 8/25/2014 7:36:40 PM 
L.C. wrote:
giacomo wrote:
D.A, thanks for the history lesson. Hamilton Burger has nothing on you! I never disagreed with our right to use it or own it, as we certainly do own it. I put it in the context of Coca Cola objecting to the moniker "Coke" or McDonald's trying to reverse the term"Mickey D's". In both cases the respective companies just went with the nicknames and incorporated it into their slogans and ads.

However we did it, we morphed into OU or Ohio U. But everybody knew the difference between us and them. I'm not sure that was so bad. They certainly have no right to it. I'm in complete agreement with that truth.

You analogy misses the mark widely because neither Coke nor McDonalds have someone else trying to use their name.. At the core, if you want to defend your name from encroachment, you HAVE to use it. Think about DA's post for a minute - there was one and only one reason why Ohio was able to prevent Ohio State from calling themselves Ohio, and that was because Ohio University has long called themselves "Ohio". If they stop trying to use that name, then they give up that name. If Ohio does not promote itself as "Ohio", then in the future they will not be able to stop the university up north from using the "Ohio" name. It was precisely because Ohio "morphed into Ohio U" that Ohio State saw the opportunity to take the "Ohio" name. It didn't work this time, but if Ohio doesn't continue to insist on being called "Ohio", it might work the next time they try.

Maybe you see it as tilting at windmills. Maybe you see it as pointless. Nevertheless, from a legal perspective it is essential, because if they don't defend their name by using it, they lose it forever. Note that if they didn't have the very real threat of someone else taking their name, they could be somewhat more flexible about what they let people call them. They don't have that luxury, however.

You say everyone knows the difference between you and them, and by all accounts that distinction causes less confusion in all parts of the country now than 15 years ago, so maybe the things Ohio has been doing are helping. Suppose Ohio were to relax their vigilance, and allow Ohio State to call themselves "Ohio", do you think that there would still be no confusion?

the123kid wrote:
I think what some people are saying on here is being taken way out of context....Ohio State is the Big Dog in Ohio, and sometimes we look like idiots when we make these stupid attacks on them. It is not being defeatist, it is being a realist. ...

The name issue goes way beyond a question of securing football fans, or not. The legal principle is clear: you either defend your name, or you give it up. In my mind a realist realizes that, and insists that the University be called "Ohio". A defeatist says "they are the big dog, and we can't stop them from taking the Ohio name anyway", and then proposes renaming the school something unique that they can't take such as "Athens State University".

Note that I'm not saying hate on them. I'm just saying that it is very important to insist on being called "Ohio". It is important, and it isn't futile.

Alan Swank wrote:
Dispatch Article Mark Znidar, Bobcat man in Buckeye town gets the memo.

Perhaps, but he does make a different error. He says Vick is " the only quarterback on the roster with major-college experience.", but having watched Sprague on the field with my own eyes against EMU, I'm pretty sure he's wrong about that.


I'm not sure you can call EMU "Major-college experience" just saying.
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  Message Not Read  RE: WalMart O$U fan arrogance
   Posted: 8/25/2014 7:44:57 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
I'm not sure you can call EMU "Major-college experience" just saying.



He actually appeared in four games, Austin Peay, Akron, CMU, and then EMU.

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   Posted: 8/26/2014 12:07:27 AM 
the123kid wrote:
Ohio State is the Big Dog in Ohio, and sometimes we look like idiots when we make these stupid attacks on them.

 


What attacks are we making here?

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   Posted: 8/26/2014 11:18:59 AM 
L.C., you make a most important point that I overlooked in my commentary. As with most things in life, if you don't use it, you lose it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: WalMart O$U fan arrogance
   Posted: 8/27/2014 7:23:58 AM 
JSF wrote:
the123kid wrote:
Ohio State is the Big Dog in Ohio, and sometimes we look like idiots when we make these stupid attacks on them.

 


What attacks are we making here?


It is what it is, not everyone is making attacks. Truth
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   Posted: 8/27/2014 11:50:19 AM 
In a sense, Ohio has only itself to blame that OSU even exists.  As difficult as it is for some to stomach, if Ohio and/or Miami had had their shit even halfway together before the civil war, Ohio State would never have come into existence and one of the existing two schools would have been given land grant and flagship status.  Unfortunately, both Ohio and Miami were largely irrelevant little colleges with serious religious influences.  There's a reason that Ohio was the only state in the region that did not designate an existing public university for those roles.

And it only got worse in the following decades.  Miami shut down for several years, and in 1910, the state tried to have professors for all three schools covered by the Carnegie Endowment pension.  The state's application was rejected, and the Governor was advised to have Ohio "rid itself" of Ohio and Miami so that Ohio might have a system similar to that of Wisconsin.

 
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   Posted: 8/27/2014 3:53:46 PM 
A lot of things would be quite different if people had their stuff together before the Civil War...

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   Posted: 8/27/2014 4:19:02 PM 
Ohio was a land grant college 58 years before the Morrill Act.

And Ohio A&M being designated the state's flagship had more to do with Columbus being established as the state's capitol city in 1812 and the Legislature wanting the state's flagship to be located in the capitol city than it had to do with OHIO and Miami struggling prior to and through the civil war, as most public colleges did the same at that same point in time.

But none of those things has anything to do with State continuing to steal OHIO for its name.

 

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   Posted: 8/27/2014 8:40:50 PM 
OUPride wrote:
. . .  There's a reason that Ohio was the only state in the region that did not designate an existing public university for those roles. .  .


au contraire: The bordering state of Pennsylvania had battles in their legislature about where to locate the Morril Act school -- near Pittsburgh in the "West" or near Philadelphia in the eastern part of the state.  In the end, they compromised and drew a line bisecting the state east and west as well as another line bisecting the state north and south. Where the lines met -- the geographical center of the state -- they created Penn State University in the middle of nowhere.  And, for those who have been there recently, it's still in the middle of nowhere, but that's another thread.  

As an aside to another point made by another poster above, Ohio and Miami could have compromised and split the A and M, as was allowed under the Morrill Act, but according to Hoover's history of Ohio University, they failed to do so the first two times the legislation was considered and by the third time, when they offered to compromise, it was too late and Ohio A&M was created in Cowtown.  So, O$U was, in one sense, the result of the Ohio - Miami rivalry. 

Edit:  And, then there's Michigan: MSU was created as a new Morrill Act college, bypassing the existing U. of Michigan.

Last Edited: 8/27/2014 10:43:50 PM by OhioCatFan

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   Posted: 8/30/2014 12:56:58 PM 
NAVY up 7-3 look out
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   Posted: 8/30/2014 1:08:58 PM 
OHIO should make shirts, helmet decals signs and what ever for the Central Michigan and Western michigan games that simply say BEAT MICHIGAN... That would be hilarious especially if ESPN caught wind of it and gave it a plug.
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   Posted: 8/30/2014 1:22:54 PM 
Chris_PHS89 wrote:
OHIO should make shirts, helmet decals signs and what ever for the Central Michigan and Western michigan games that simply say BEAT MICHIGAN... That would be hilarious especially if ESPN caught wind of it and gave it a plug.


+1

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   Posted: 8/30/2014 3:00:39 PM 
Chris_PHS89 wrote:
OHIO should make shirts, helmet decals signs and what ever for the Central Michigan and Western michigan games that simply say BEAT MICHIGAN... That would be hilarious especially if ESPN caught wind of it and gave it a plug.

Not a bad idea for trolling, I agree

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   Posted: 8/30/2014 5:28:36 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Overheard at Put-in-Bay this morning: "We should beat Navy by 35 points, easy."  Hunh?

While OSU did open it up a little bit late, it seems that the prediction of a win by "35 points, easy" was indeed arrogant, and wrong.

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   Posted: 8/30/2014 7:08:00 PM 
And why was everyone so concerned about what some random guy said in a Walmart that it took four pages to discuss it. OSU won by "only" 17 points. So some random guy in a Walmart had the score wrong. So what? Quite an amusing thread. 
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   Posted: 8/30/2014 7:38:54 PM 
Hey.....give them credit. They beat the ROTC branch of Maryland today in a nail biter. Great win! 
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   Posted: 8/30/2014 9:06:27 PM 
Diamond Cat wrote:
Hey.....give them credit. They beat the ROTC branch of Maryland today in a nail biter. Great win! 

Why do you hate America?  There's no need to disrespect the United States Naval Academy and the Midshipmen who might one day put their ass on the line to protect your sorry ass. OSU beat the US Naval Academy, period.  Don't let your hatred for OSU spill over into hating our country and its troops.

 

Last Edited: 8/30/2014 9:07:10 PM by OUPride
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   Posted: 8/30/2014 9:17:05 PM 
I was rooting for Navy.. 
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